watchman 256 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed I bet he's gonna be a rough,tough cookie the next time he see's a dog! In my youth i loved hearing tales about a red stag in the midlands that wouldn't run from a dog, instead once the lamp hit him he turned and faced the dog(s). To my knowledge no one ever got him, none of the lads i knew anyway and I am sure he killed a dog, or at least badly injured one. I will find out the full story though.... Got to be one of the best threads for a good while that hasn't turned into a slagging match. Good pre-ban hunting folks....JD was that not a hand reared one that was released into the wild,took the eyes out of a dog ,cant remember exactly,think i read about it in a plumber book Eerrmm...No mate, that Plummer story was a roebuck and i should imagine it was a story from someone else. The deer i am referingto is a red stag, well, was a red stag,he will be long gone now, but the lads who hunted him are still around. I will have a chat with them as it would make a good read Judging by the replies, a few lads have had a go at the big fella's I spent 48hours once trying and we failed! On the long journey home my mate and i were just sat giggling with each other at what we had seen and i turned to him and said "I think we need better dogs!" The topic title says red stag single handed, and I do not think anything other than 'one-offs' are possible. Even with two dogs only this is a rare occurance. I simply do not believe that two dogs can do red stags with any degree of regularity, in the wild. Bunnys, you mentioned a chap getting 2 years for deer, would you mind me asking you if those were park deer or wild deer .... I told this chap he was doomed, he didnt seem worried. ok no worries,just something stored in the old memory somewhere wasnt sure of the details as i said Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed I bet he's gonna be a rough,tough cookie the next time he see's a dog! In my youth i loved hearing tales about a red stag in the midlands that wouldn't run from a dog, instead once the lamp hit him he turned and faced the dog(s). To my knowledge no one ever got him, none of the lads i knew anyway and I am sure he killed a dog, or at least badly injured one. I will find out the full story though.... Got to be one of the best threads for a good while that hasn't turned into a slagging match. Good pre-ban hunting folks....JD was that not a hand reared one that was released into the wild,took the eyes out of a dog ,cant remember exactly,think i read about it in a plumber book Eerrmm...No mate, that Plummer story was a roebuck and i should imagine it was a story from someone else. The deer i am referingto is a red stag, well, was a red stag,he will be long gone now, but the lads who hunted him are still around. I will have a chat with them as it would make a good read Judging by the replies, a few lads have had a go at the big fella's I spent 48hours once trying and we failed! On the long journey home my mate and i were just sat giggling with each other at what we had seen and i turned to him and said "I think we need better dogs!" The topic title says red stag single handed, and I do not think anything other than 'one-offs' are possible. Even with two dogs only this is a rare occurance. I simply do not believe that two dogs can do red stags with any degree of regularity, in the wild. Bunnys, you mentioned a chap getting 2 years for deer, would you mind me asking you if those were park deer or wild deer .... I told this chap he was doomed, he didnt seem worried. ok no worries,just something stored in the old memory somewhere wasnt sure of the details as i said Was that in Rogues and Running Dogs?...I can't quite remember which now, my memory is terrible Whether a 'tame' buck would stand and spear a dog i wouldn't know, you would think that its instincts would take over but who is to say??? Quote Link to post
watchman 256 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed I bet he's gonna be a rough,tough cookie the next time he see's a dog! In my youth i loved hearing tales about a red stag in the midlands that wouldn't run from a dog, instead once the lamp hit him he turned and faced the dog(s). To my knowledge no one ever got him, none of the lads i knew anyway and I am sure he killed a dog, or at least badly injured one. I will find out the full story though.... Got to be one of the best threads for a good while that hasn't turned into a slagging match. Good pre-ban hunting folks....JD was that not a hand reared one that was released into the wild,took the eyes out of a dog ,cant remember exactly,think i read about it in a plumber book Eerrmm...No mate, that Plummer story was a roebuck and i should imagine it was a story from someone else. The deer i am referingto is a red stag, well, was a red stag,he will be long gone now, but the lads who hunted him are still around. I will have a chat with them as it would make a good read Judging by the replies, a few lads have had a go at the big fella's I spent 48hours once trying and we failed! On the long journey home my mate and i were just sat giggling with each other at what we had seen and i turned to him and said "I think we need better dogs!" The topic title says red stag single handed, and I do not think anything other than 'one-offs' are possible. Even with two dogs only this is a rare occurance. I simply do not believe that two dogs can do red stags with any degree of regularity, in the wild. Bunnys, you mentioned a chap getting 2 years for deer, would you mind me asking you if those were park deer or wild deer .... I told this chap he was doomed, he didnt seem worried. ok no worries,just something stored in the old memory somewhere wasnt sure of the details as i said Was that in Rogues and Running Dogs?...I can't quite remember which now, my memory is terrible Whether a 'tame' buck would stand and spear a dog i wouldn't know, you would think that its instincts would take over but who is to say??? yes it is,iv just looked it up,who really knows for sure,it might have been reared with dogs around the place so didnt see them as a threat Quote Link to post
Catcher 1 639 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Never heard of it.Think its one of those things you have to see to beleave.I like many have stories we could put up.But you would just get pellters.As a lot of people think if they havent done or seen it(cant be done). Quote Link to post
DEERMAN 1,020 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed I bet he's gonna be a rough,tough cookie the next time he see's a dog! In my youth i loved hearing tales about a red stag in the midlands that wouldn't run from a dog, instead once the lamp hit him he turned and faced the dog(s). To my knowledge no one ever got him, none of the lads i knew anyway and I am sure he killed a dog, or at least badly injured one. I will find out the full story though.... Got to be one of the best threads for a good while that hasn't turned into a slagging match. Good pre-ban hunting folks....JD was that not a hand reared one that was released into the wild,took the eyes out of a dog ,cant remember exactly,think i read about it in a plumber book Eerrmm...No mate, that Plummer story was a roebuck and i should imagine it was a story from someone else. The deer i am referingto is a red stag, well, was a red stag,he will be long gone now, but the lads who hunted him are still around. I will have a chat with them as it would make a good read Judging by the replies, a few lads have had a go at the big fella's I spent 48hours once trying and we failed! On the long journey home my mate and i were just sat giggling with each other at what we had seen and i turned to him and said "I think we need better dogs!" The topic title says red stag single handed, and I do not think anything other than 'one-offs' are possible. Even with two dogs only this is a rare occurance. I simply do not believe that two dogs can do red stags with any degree of regularity, in the wild. Bunnys, you mentioned a chap getting 2 years for deer, would you mind me asking you if those were park deer or wild deer .... I told this chap he was doomed, he didnt seem worried. ok no worries,just something stored in the old memory somewhere wasnt sure of the details as i said Was that in Rogues and Running Dogs?...I can't quite remember which now, my memory is terrible Whether a 'tame' buck would stand and spear a dog i wouldn't know, you would think that its instincts would take over but who is to say??? yes think they would ,ive been told of a place by freinds of deer poachers who make a living from selling deer ,a deer park where bucks dont run or if they do its not far and turn and fight dogs and a few dogs have been lost there, think keepers there have dogs around them all the time so lose fear of both people and dogs Quote Link to post
shamus 36 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I want a cross out of that lab, like its technique! Also nobody has mentioned the temperment of those scottish sherriffs,they are a different breed, one did me and my mate singlehanded. Quote Link to post
jimmy100 48 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed I bet he's gonna be a rough,tough cookie the next time he see's a dog! In my youth i loved hearing tales about a red stag in the midlands that wouldn't run from a dog, instead once the lamp hit him he turned and faced the dog(s). To my knowledge no one ever got him, none of the lads i knew anyway and I am sure he killed a dog, or at least badly injured one. I will find out the full story though.... Got to be one of the best threads for a good while that hasn't turned into a slagging match. Good pre-ban hunting folks....JD was that not a hand reared one that was released into the wild,took the eyes out of a dog ,cant remember exactly,think i read about it in a plumber book Eerrmm...No mate, that Plummer story was a roebuck and i should imagine it was a story from someone else. The deer i am referingto is a red stag, well, was a red stag,he will be long gone now, but the lads who hunted him are still around. I will have a chat with them as it would make a good read Judging by the replies, a few lads have had a go at the big fella's I spent 48hours once trying and we failed! On the long journey home my mate and i were just sat giggling with each other at what we had seen and i turned to him and said "I think we need better dogs!" The topic title says red stag single handed, and I do not think anything other than 'one-offs' are possible. Even with two dogs only this is a rare occurance. I simply do not believe that two dogs can do red stags with any degree of regularity, in the wild. Bunnys, you mentioned a chap getting 2 years for deer, would you mind me asking you if those were park deer or wild deer .... I told this chap he was doomed, he didnt seem worried. ok no worries,just something stored in the old memory somewhere wasnt sure of the details as i said Was that in Rogues and Running Dogs?...I can't quite remember which now, my memory is terrible Whether a 'tame' buck would stand and spear a dog i wouldn't know, you would think that its instincts would take over but who is to say??? yes think they would ,ive been told of a place by freinds of deer poachers who make a living from selling deer ,a deer park where bucks dont run or if they do its not far and turn and fight dogs and a few dogs have been lost there, think keepers there have dogs around them all the time so lose fear of both people and dogs penned deer defo know that dogs can and will hunt them these deer dont even look at you when walking round without a dog but take a dog with you and they never take there eyes off you :thumbs: Quote Link to post
bob123 4 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 the truth is out there :laugh: hello again :whistling: bob123 no mate i meant no on singlehanded dogs taking stags you the lad i met at south wingfield show???? :thumbs: ok an ye pall thought it was mate hows things?? did you have a pup out the mating you had planned with killer??? :thumbs: not bad pal urself an no used ryukens old half x dog shes due in apirl im the same here mate!! good luck with them pups you put him on the black and white bitch?? no pal my black bitch been a while now but i can kind of remember her was she a bull/collie/grey mix??? you still got the black an white bitch??? i liked her alot :thumbs: bull grey [bANNED TEXT] a bit of wippit an ye mate still got her Quote Link to post
artic 595 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 There's a location near my village where a deer park is situated, Many footpaths go through the park. The amount of dogs from labs to terriers that get forced away by red stags. When I'm on free time I often help out with the keepers, we all do, and on our merry travels we have found dead dogs (not very often) with horrific injurys caused by the stags. Two of these incidents hit the local news. When you study these deer, and I mean if your lucky enough to have them on your door step, you will see a hell of a lot from them, and it doesn't compare to what you read in books, seeing these beast's in the flesh and watching their movements and habits is something else. Quote Link to post
DEERMAN 1,020 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 There's a location near my village where a deer park is situated, Many footpaths go through the park. The amount of dogs from labs to terriers that get forced away by red stags. When I'm on free time I often help out with the keepers, we all do, and on our merry travels we have found a dead dogs (not very often) with horrific injurys caused by the stags. Two of these incidents hit the local news. When you study these deer, and I mean if your lucky enough to have them on your door step, you will see a hell of a lot from them, and it doesn't compare to what you read in books, seeing these beast's in the flesh and watching their movements and habits is something else. yes your right there ,its the same if you use to hunt them 5/6 times a week you will see things what your dogs do and deer do that people who dont hunt them or may be in a blue moon would call you a lier or doubt it .....you cant beat going out and doing it instead of thinking what you might think would happen or have been told by a net expert... Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have never seen a red stag run before the ban so i can't comment on FACTUAL evidence, although for SINGLE DOG, which is what the thread was entitled, to take a red stag on a REGULAR basis without any assistance would be the dog of legend surely For me before the ban two main points would be raised before slipping, first of all do I want to increase the chances of death or serious injury slipping on a 25 stone coat rack and see my hard work ended with a kick or gore, and second IF my dogs had managed to slow such a beast, am i going to release or eat it, and if im going to eat it how the hell do i get it home. Still there are lads on this thread with REAL experience, all pre ban of course and quite a few "theorisers" like myself, still with legislation the way it is its not something im likely to see Quote Link to post
Kay 3,709 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 There's a location near my village where a deer park is situated, Many footpaths go through the park. The amount of dogs from labs to terriers that get forced away by red stags. When I'm on free time I often help out with the keepers, we all do, and on our merry travels we have found dead dogs (not very often) with horrific injurys caused by the stags. Two of these incidents hit the local news. When you study these deer, and I mean if your lucky enough to have them on your door step, you will see a hell of a lot from them, and it doesn't compare to what you read in books, seeing these beast's in the flesh and watching their movements and habits is something else. I am lucky enough to be able to watch them almost on a daily basis from a single hind to a herd of 50 mixed sex & mixed age nothing compares to the rut though thats on another level Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 jd the answer to your question was wild atb bunnys Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 As kids we used to go to Wollaton park near Nottingham every sunday, they have a herd of fallow, and a herd a red, over the years a few pet dogs have fancied their chances and paid the price, went two years ago just to photograph a few deer and as always took the dogs, needless to say the leads were well and truely on!!! We also have a local deer park woth reds and fallow, took the kids last week to see the deer, those red stags are more like a cow on steroids, ive seen hundreds of reds north of the border and they run with a decpetive gait, lokks like they are hardly moving but they cover the ground very quickly, there are far more wild reds in England than folk realise, we have them here in Lincolnshire and the surrounding counties, magnificent beasts....... Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 There's a location near my village where a deer park is situated, Many footpaths go through the park. The amount of dogs from labs to terriers that get forced away by red stags. When I'm on free time I often help out with the keepers, we all do, and on our merry travels we have found dead dogs (not very often) with horrific injurys caused by the stags. Two of these incidents hit the local news. When you study these deer, and I mean if your lucky enough to have them on your door step, you will see a hell of a lot from them, and it doesn't compare to what you read in books, seeing these beast's in the flesh and watching their movements and habits is something else. Yes Artic, your correct, seeing them in the flesh helps evaluate things... This is me just measuring him up to see if he is big enough for a beddy/whippet to take....Nah...not quite big enough! Quote Link to post
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