Red stag

[jimmy100 48]

are the stags much harder to take than big does? any one know?

i think thats pretty much standard mate :thumbs:

[J Darcy 5,871]

They are all hard matey. I can speak from some experience when i say the hinds are harder to take than fallow bucks or sika stags. They are simply another animal! I have seen good dogs that can stop big sika stags come a cropper when faced with red hinds. One had its teeth kicked straight out! When it was legal i travelled all over the Uk in their pursuit and have had some fabulous times chasing those reds, both with one dog and two.

Facts is,for a man to take a red (either sex) with lurchers is rare. Mostly they will be doubled up (at least!) and mostly it will be a hind. In the rare occasion it is a stag then I have never, ever heard of a single dog having any effect on one. On the very, very rare occasions a pair (or more) dogs have somehow managed to slow a stag down enough for the owner to jump onto it then this has never been in the daytime.

 

So, if you catch my drift, there is always some angle or other in which the red was at a disadvantage. Not that I'm knocking it, to take a red in any circumstance is some accolade.

 

I remember once out on the hills four of us approached a good herd of reds in a pincer movement. We all got slips, but not one dog even so much as looked like it was going to do anything to a hind, never mind the big, 'ol stag that was in amongst them.

 

Maybe I needed better dogs.....

 

Daytime, single handed stag.....I don't think a dog exists.

But i have been wrong before.

[hickymick 37]

oh dear,,, :laugh: .... if it was legal i think more people would comment on this,,ive never seen a big red let alone chase one..but i think it is possible for two dogs to pull one,,wouldnt mind a few old bits of antler off these reds if anyone shoots them

[Boss-Hog 270]

many a great deerdog has had numbers of all kinds but lets not forget any animal in daytime is a rarety ie permission on lamp easy 2 get up to em and thats the game getting dogs in right place at right time and deff not parkies

[jimmy100 48]

They are all hard matey. I can speak from some experience when i say the hinds are harder to take than fallow bucks or sika stags. They are simply another animal! I have seen good dogs that can stop big sika stags come a cropper when faced with red hinds. One had its teeth kicked straight out! When it was legal i travelled all over the Uk in their pursuit and have had some fabulous times chasing those reds, both with one dog and two.

Facts is,for a man to take a red (either sex) with lurchers is rare. Mostly they will be doubled up (at least!) and mostly it will be a hind. In the rare occasion it is a stag then I have never, ever heard of a single dog having any effect on one. On the very, very rare occasions a pair (or more) dogs have somehow managed to slow a stag down enough for the owner to jump onto it then this has never been in the daytime.

 

So, if you catch my drift, there is always some angle or other in which the red was at a disadvantage. Not that I'm knocking it, to take a red in any circumstance is some accolade.

 

I remember once out on the hills four of us approached a good herd of reds in a pincer movement. We all got slips, but not one dog even so much as looked like it was going to do anything to a hind, never mind the big, 'ol stag that was in amongst them.

 

Maybe I needed better dogs.....

 

Daytime, single handed stag.....I don't think a dog exists.

But i have been wrong before.

darcy thats the best post ive ever read by you mate well said and hope you keep it up :thumbs:

[whippet 99 2,613]

They are all hard matey. I can speak from some experience when i say the hinds are harder to take than fallow bucks or sika stags. They are simply another animal! I have seen good dogs that can stop big sika stags come a cropper when faced with red hinds. One had its teeth kicked straight out! When it was legal i travelled all over the Uk in their pursuit and have had some fabulous times chasing those reds, both with one dog and two.

Facts is,for a man to take a red (either sex) with lurchers is rare. Mostly they will be doubled up (at least!) and mostly it will be a hind. In the rare occasion it is a stag then I have never, ever heard of a single dog having any effect on one. On the very, very rare occasions a pair (or more) dogs have somehow managed to slow a stag down enough for the owner to jump onto it then this has never been in the daytime.

 

So, if you catch my drift, there is always some angle or other in which the red was at a disadvantage. Not that I'm knocking it, to take a red in any circumstance is some accolade.

 

I remember once out on the hills four of us approached a good herd of reds in a pincer movement. We all got slips, but not one dog even so much as looked like it was going to do anything to a hind, never mind the big, 'ol stag that was in amongst them.

 

Maybe I needed better dogs.....

 

Daytime, single handed stag.....I don't think a dog exists.

But i have been wrong before.

at last a bit of sense, surely there would be evidence of these superb dogs taking reds , yet to see any single handed dogs . wheres the videos / pictures, the lack of evidence surely proves the facts. a kick as bad as a hoarse, many a lurcher ran reds and never ran again

[Born Hunter 17,787]

They are all hard matey. I can speak from some experience when i say the hinds are harder to take than fallow bucks or sika stags. They are simply another animal! I have seen good dogs that can stop big sika stags come a cropper when faced with red hinds. One had its teeth kicked straight out! When it was legal i travelled all over the Uk in their pursuit and have had some fabulous times chasing those reds, both with one dog and two.

Facts is,for a man to take a red (either sex) with lurchers is rare. Mostly they will be doubled up (at least!) and mostly it will be a hind. In the rare occasion it is a stag then I have never, ever heard of a single dog having any effect on one. On the very, very rare occasions a pair (or more) dogs have somehow managed to slow a stag down enough for the owner to jump onto it then this has never been in the daytime.

 

So, if you catch my drift, there is always some angle or other in which the red was at a disadvantage. Not that I'm knocking it, to take a red in any circumstance is some accolade.

 

I remember once out on the hills four of us approached a good herd of reds in a pincer movement. We all got slips, but not one dog even so much as looked like it was going to do anything to a hind, never mind the big, 'ol stag that was in amongst them.

 

Maybe I needed better dogs.....

 

Daytime, single handed stag.....I don't think a dog exists.

But i have been wrong before.

 

Cant argue with that

[bigjase1 159]

 

 

this one got proper done lol

[bunnys 1,228]

how do lads just going back to first post ,not once was it mentioned about taking the mighty red daylight .the question has it been done if so how many hound s single etc .now those involved in this type of specialist hunting preban of course will almost certainly been working under the lamp ,dogs of the right calibre can bring the red to a walking pace strength brain and lots and lots of experience on fallows and the inbred nohow in the dog working with one possibly 2 men the job can and does get done . mot types do not usually posses the type of build robust heavy strong bone has say a 27inch half cross of the right type . ITS not all about speed hunting ability guile and a animal that will pull out all the stops fpr a result for the pack leader doubter well seen it done single seen done doubled atb bunnnys,

[Chid 6,582]

but lamping deer was illegal pre-ban

[jigsaw 11,875]

Im just wondering after all these posts is WDS reading this and laughing out loud because he HAS done it. Hes a crafty bugger is Wet dog

[Pops 19]

the scotch staghound dog custer had was a freak of nature the bitch was just another dog. custer related a story about the dog running out the fort one day hell bent. the cook saw and went and told custer. custer saddled up went out and found the dog throating a prarie wolf. unfortunately back in that time pics were an all day event not like now.

as for the size difference that's alot of BS. i've seen a pair of 50-60# cur dogs (catahoulas & black mouths) catch & hold 1500-1800# range bulls. i've seen bulldogs about the same size do the same all alone. as a teenage schoolboy, i had a doberman & a dobermanXsetter that caught whitetail deer (same size range as fallow). seen the cross hit a 180# buck broadside w/ her chest and knocked it clean off it's feet and held it there while she ripped it's throat out. i've seen dogs as little as 30# catch & hold 200-250# boar. and i've seen my 76#curXbulldog catch a 200# + black bear by the face and knock it off it's feet and hold it down for a bit. so i don't think it's unreasonable to say there must be dogs out there that can handle a red stag by themselves. i don't think every dog can nor even a lot of them can but there must be some. but if people are afraid to try them then they'll never know which dogs can or can't. since it is illegal there, it is a moot point for you guys there.

OTH we should be able to develop them here, since we can legally do so.

[mackay 3,400]

oh dear,,, :laugh: .... if it was legal i think more people would comment on this,,ive never seen a big red let alone chase one..but i think it is possible for two dogs to pull one,,wouldnt mind a few old bits of antler off these reds if anyone shoots them

 

 

No offence mate but that to my mind is part of the problem, you've never seen or chased one but your voicing an opinion on what ?. Pure speculation.

I posted on the other thread regarding dogs taking red deer stags and I'll say again, I had dogs that took fallow bucks, sika stags and red deer hinds and the same dogs couldn't slow a red stag down never mind render it buggered. As a ghillie I weighed red stags in at parlour weight (gralloched) around the twenty to twenty two stone mark, add the guts and your up at twenty four to twenty six stone, these were hill stags, I'm reliably informed farmed and southern stags grow considerably more.

Anyone who thinks a single hound can bring a beast of this calibre down is failing to take their medication.

[king squirrel 53]

and half the c**ts on here wouldnt know what to do if the dogs got to one they would be running around like f***ing pansys

[king squirrel 53]

iv seen my [bANNED TEXT],s 2 dogs pull a 16 pointer.wat a wrestle tht was lol.