RATTING Vs DIGGING

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

REAL EARTHDOGS DO THIS.

Post edited before I get complaints from the armchair boys?

[Simoman 110]

Where does a ratter have to dig through soil , sand , clay , roots sometimes to reach it's quarry ? . Where does a ratting terrier struggle to get air when he's been in a confined space for maybe 3 / 4 / 5 hours going for all he's worth keeping his quarry bottled in a stop end . Maybe that quarry is a third times bigger than him and determined to get past , but that warrior is'nt letting it happen no matter what .

 

That sums it up Chief, I love ratting and after a good session the dog will have a few bites that will need cleaning, maybe soil in the eyes after digging but that doesn't compare to what a earth dog has to negotiate. These brave little warriors have my upmost respect

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

When I read this from start to finish ,it just reinforces the fact that not many get the chance, or wouldnt want the chance of hunting big bags of rats but still they have an opinion on those whos terriers have done so .Ive worked earth dogs definately longer and more often than some on here and know what constitutes a good dog and an outstanding one .Those who decry the breeding of non digging terriers are in my opinion right to do so and I would never breed a terrier that worked rat alone or expect any of my digging mates to do so .Ratting IS physically testing if rats are in numbers ,400+ and to say otherwise is to me an admission of not having done so or seen it .

The digging will always be first and foremost with me but dont shout about things you obviously know f**k all about .

[Guest grubygrafter]

I can and will take you to spots where only a tried and tested (superior not inferior) dog will get a result, your inferior dog will and i guarantee will come running out with its tail between its legs,

 

you are right of course shay at the job you do some of the dogs ive owned and one that

i own now would fail miserably. ( not all my dogs are inferior) but thats my point. your dogs would not do the tasks i ask of my dogs. and therefore. they are inferior to mine at that task. if i come and see can i bring ozzy .

 

 

 

bree a promising pup probably going to be more suited to the way you work terriers than the way i do.

single minded little bitch. probably got it from her ancestors . welsh i think

[Guest ROOSTER]

 

WELL her mum and dad have both proved themself as earth dogs bree is the last pup from them as i have lost both now due to working underground.

[Guest shay]

"you are right of course shay at the job you do some of the dogs ive owned and one that

i own now would fail miserably."

 

Now to make a statement like that Cleanspade anybody would think that you knew me, you don't,

 

For you to say your dogs would fail miserably at digging foxes is a contradiction on your part as earlier on you said you could get foxes with them, I can safely say 110% that any dog I have in the kennel would safely see me proud on a days hectic ratting, one of them being a nine month old pup, so again as you don't know me or have seen any of my dogs work you can't really comment on whether they are up to the task or not, I didn't say yours were inferior YOU did.

 

If I get any ratting permission I gladly give it away, not my thing - as a full time sport anyway.

 

All the best

Shay

[wink hound 0]

have to say all my dogs work to fox and give everything theyve got in there own little way, or i dont have them, but i also lend lend them to a local lad as atleast 2 of them have a reputaion for being superb ratters, and all of them would do the job on rats, far better than your average ratter would do the job on old reynard.

[Guest grubygrafter]

shay can you call any of your terriers out. i bet i.m right in saying no.would you want a dog that calls out. ? no i dont know you but reading your posts. its obvious you require a differant dog than i do to get your

foxes . i have always said i like a bolting dog. as i prefare to see a fox hit the net. or be shot. i also have a lurcher incase they are wounded years ago we had a lakey dog that killed almost every fox he was put to ground on,i found it an anticlimax digging down to the carcass almost everytime he was used. that coupled with the fact i got better results in this area with less determined terriers. i still however will always keep a more determined terrier for foxes that are not easy shifted. you see. we both get foxes you will no doubt dig more than you bolt. were i try to bolt more than i dig. i try to keep different workstyles in my terriers and use them where apropriate non are better or worse than the other in my eyes they just have different tasks. although one would make a fool of me trying to hold a determined fox in a stop end. and if in company i can imagine the comments although she on the other hand bangs foxes in to nets like none of the others. she can go to ground on a fox and if its not shifting call her out.and enter a more determined dog i can run her through difficult earths and bolt foxes where i could'nt put my other dogs. she is great to check if anyone and who is at home before entering a youngster. the list goes on she in my opinion my handiest terrier. although would be the butt af all the jokes. in the eyes of a lot of terriermen she is inferior

and would be. to me she is gold dust. and superior to my more determined terriers

 

i always try to enter my dogs straight to fox and also dont do much ratting. but would for fun or if asked

[Guest JOEB]

Well if it works for you Gruby, thats all the really matters mate ........

How is that nice looking dog in the picture bred matey, can you tell me a bit about it?

I like the look of him........cheers mate

Joe

[Guest shay]

Well it took you a long fecking time to come up with a sensible post, ,

 

Lets leave it now or else it will have more replies than bedlingtons 2005

[Guest grubygrafter]

Well if it works for you Gruby, thats all the really matters mate ........

How is that nice looking dog in the picture bred matey, can you tell me a bit about it?

I like the look of him........cheers mate

Joe

 

he is a she her lines are mostly mal thomas i believe with some pieman stuff in there. thats all i know

she is just a youngster and is being entered back end.

[Guest JOEB]

he is a she her lines are mostly mal thomas i believe with some pieman stuff in there. thats all i know

she is just a youngster and is being entered back end.

 

Thanks mate, dont know much about all the old names and stuff.......it was a more like whats in her make up type question......shes a beauty allright...

Cheers G

Joe

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

shay can you call any of your terriers out. i bet i.m right in saying no.would you want a dog that calls out. ? no i dont know you but reading your posts. its obvious you require a differant dog than i do to get your

foxes . i have always said i like a bolting dog. as i prefare to see a fox hit the net. or be shot. i also have a lurcher incase they are wounded years ago we had a lakey dog that killed almost every fox he was put to ground on,i found it an anticlimax digging down to the carcass almost everytime he was used. that coupled with the fact i got better results in this area with less determined terriers. i still however will always keep a more determined terrier for foxes that are not easy shifted. you see. we both get foxes you will no doubt dig more than you bolt. were i try to bolt more than i dig. i try to keep different workstyles in my terriers and use them where apropriate non are better or worse than the other in my eyes they just have different tasks. although one would make a fool of me trying to hold a determined fox in a stop end. and if in company i can imagine the comments although she on the other hand bangs foxes in to nets like none of the others. she can go to ground on a fox and if its not shifting call her out.and enter a more determined dog i can run her through difficult earths and bolt foxes where i could'nt put my other dogs. she is great to check if anyone and who is at home before entering a youngster. the list goes on she in my opinion my handiest terrier. although would be the butt af all the jokes. in the eyes of a lot of terriermen she is inferior

and would be. to me she is gold dust. and superior to my more determined terriers

 

i always try to enter my dogs straight to fox and also dont do much ratting. but would for fun or if asked

 

 

 

I for one have no problem with what you require from a dog but no doubt the hard liners will have something to say.As long as a man is up front and knows the strengths and weekness of his terriers then he is in my eyes a better man than one who thinks he has the best and thinks he knows everything about the digging game.You will miss that bitch when she goes on no doubt.

Every fulltime professional terriermen Ive met has one or two of these terriers but theyve been slagged off too!

Dogs like yours come along every now and then ,not necessarily through entering or anything you do ,its just the way they are .

An old boy I knocked about with ,lead me to believe he had a terrier that would draw quarry out the earth on command ,or at least thats what it appeared to a young me until I realised he did it everytime when to ground and sometimes appeared just as frank shouted to him !.

The dig or die merchants we see posting on here have a lot to learn as far as I can see !.

Keep hunting all whatever your methods .

[Guest grubygrafter]

Well if it works for you Gruby, thats all the really matters mate ........

How is that nice looking dog in the picture bred matey, can you tell me a bit about it?

I like the look of him........cheers mate

Joe

 

he is a she her lines are mostly mal thomas i believe with some pieman stuff in there. thats all i know

she is just a youngster and is being entered back end.

 

trusty determined and the smaller jade bolter.

 

 

 

big ozzy my lurcher

 

 

 

add to these a young plummer and thats the team

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sassy the plummer pup

 

 

 

[Guest grubygrafter]

good hunting to you all. thats my last post