RATTING Vs DIGGING

[Guest JOEB]

As a said knobby its just "ma dogs better than yours" As for my mate being a bellend you might be right there but you don't or won't find him anywhere boasting about hard his dogs are all his pups are taken before they are born, to real diggers not a computer geek

 

Will he be giving these real diggers pups from your untested dog by any chance :whistle:

I dont suppose you want to tell us his name by any chance do you?.........

 

Nonsense, utter nonsense........

Feck it, I wasnt gonna have a rant, but what the hell.........its c**ts like you and your mate with your untested shite, with, no doubt ,a list of made up paperwork as long as your fecking arm, selling dogs as 100% earth dogs to gullible wallys that are fecking these grand little dogs up......breeding shit to shit for ££££ no fecking doubt.........your a fecking parasite mate......you can take your dog thats never been tested but is 100% and shove it right up your arse.

J

[scotrat 2]

JOEB your a KNOB mate just a computer GEEK. Why don't you go and shove yourself 100% up your own ass cause I think you are already half way there matey.

 

 

And as I said my mate don't need to brag and wouldn't brag but if you PM your address I'll give him your address he stays in Derby I am sure he will say hello.

 

 

Its parasites like you that give terrier and long dog men the bad rap.Arrogance personofied

Just because I choose not to put my dog to charlie that doesn't mean she is inferior to an earth dog.Each to their own.

Would an earth dog track and find a dying deer and then take you to it?Again horses for courses

Every dog has its uses and 1 on 1 with a fox I know my dog would come out but I don't need to because I shoot about 67 foxes off my ground and at the end of the pheasants we get the fox terrier boys in as it saves me bloody digging.I have dug fox you know and its too much like hard work.

And to answer the question why did he give you a pup from digging strain "thats what friends do".

A favour for a favour and it always helps when you can get your hands on roe deer permission.

[fellman 116]

FFS read what you have just typed ......then go to a mirror look yourself in the eye .....and ask yourselfwhat the f**k your playing at !

you come across as a messer ...........too much work to dig to your dog? get a f*****g poodle then !

and yes the fact your dog is untested does make it inferior to a tested one! are YOU really this thick or are you on the wind up?

f*****g hell ............KNOB!

[Guest shay]

Scotrat - I think you will find you said this terrierman mate of yours was to have pick of the litter out of your untried untested bitch, he would be a fool to do so especially if he was regarded as a responsible serious digging man, and that is what Jo was getting at, on the subject of entering terriers to rats or anything before there intended vocation, the only reason i do it is boredom, especially when you can see the dogs winding themselves up as they are coming of age, gets rid of a bit of pent up aggression,

 

Apologies Oneredtrim but I think when it comes to the marches or protests we all forget the arguing and stick together.

 

Thats my last on the subject.

 

Good luck to all the ratters out there and may all your terriers aspire to be earth dogs

[Guest grubygrafter]

f*****g spade brigade . your a shower of arrogant

tossers. you sit there slagging off any and every terrier that isnt up to the task you want your terriers

to do. yet you cant agree as to what that task is half the time. you spend half the time slagging everyone elses dogs and the other half slagging each others. backs to the wall lads us against them i have stopped posting on the other site as i did.nt know that even earth dogs have half a dozen different catagaries each with its own place above or below the other some to be sneered at by real digging lads.

i do dig foxes and bolt foxes. i have done and seen all terrierwork below ground ive had good bad and indifferent dogs. the difference between me and thee is i can get the job done with an inferior dog. and with less effort does that make me superior are we talking about the same thing . i await the death threats the truth of the matter is that most terriermen could'nt train a good allround terrier

by the way dont shoot the messenger i'me only saying what most are thinking

and i dont even do rats , although i do have a plummer pup :kiss:

[pockets 0]

I'll butt in again and say not knocking the ratters, all I'll say is it does take a special kind of dog to go down into the dark alone and search for it's quarry. Then it has to work, dig, follow, maybe search again and stay at it until they have their quarry where there is no place else to go.When this has been done he/she has to stay there taking what ever the quarry can dish out, even if it has to be for numerous hours until his/her master finaly reaches him/her and relieves them of their duty. Despite all this and what ever punishment has been taken, when the dog has healed if it has the heart it will do it all over again and again, alone in the dark with no help. To me that's what I call heart, gameness, stamina. The bitch I lost recently went 2 hours with Charlie on her first dig, when I broke through she had it where it was going nowhere and she never made a sound and did'nt want to leave her quarry either, her eagerness to work despite the punishment she took was faultless and there's a member on this forum that dug her with me so I've no need to try bum her up, but it's that type of attitude in a dog that makes me have more respect for an earth dog. JMHO.

it's a real shame you lost her eamon they're getting harder to come by.

 

Yes and the reason for that is breeding with untested terriers who only work rats

[fellman 116]

to be honest chief i dont want a all round terrier ..........i want a dog that will do what it was bred to do !!!!!!!!

nothing more nothing less.........dont want it to track deer ,retrieve to the gun ,work with ferrets,finish sudoku puzzles!!!! just go to ground and do what it needs to do......

i love ratting its fun .........no problem with that ,just not what the name terrier means ...jmho.

 

cleanspade,i dont want or need a terrier to do anything other than go to ground and do what it should do........

not decrying "sporting terriers "at all .just dont want people to think a terrier that kills rats is a worker

cos well it feckin aint !

Edited February 4, 2007 by fellman

[Guest oldskool]

i always thought that it was only commonsense that a good digging terrier will do a ratters job but a ratting terrier may or may not do a digging terriers job???

[Guest grubygrafter]

the truth of the matter is that most terriermen could'nt train a good allround terrier

There you go Fellman the truth comes out , you had no b****y chance getting 'Carter' going as he was probably bred to be an 'Allrounder' and you just did'nt have the skill to train him .

 

although i do have a plummer pup :kiss:

We may have taken you seriously before that .

Now off you go to play with Keeps on 'Moocher's' .

 

 

loseing the arument mate low blow. three of that litter are working well. one duffer aint a bad average

have never pretended to be anything i'm not and never will. as you say each to there own. but i have dug more than a lot on here . a'm certain of that

 

to be honest chief i dont want a all round terrier ..........i want a dog that will do what it was bred to do !!!!!!!!

nothing more nothing less.........dont want it to track deer ,retrieve to the gun ,work with ferrets,finish sudoku puzzles!!!! just go to ground and do what it needs to do......

i love ratting its fun .........no problem with that ,just not what the name terrier means ...jmho.

 

cleanspade,i dont want or need a terrier to do anything other than go to ground and do what it should do........

not decrying "sporting terriers "at all .just dont want people to think a terrier that kills rats is a worker

cos well it feckin aint !

 

well fellman you certainly talk the talk. .

[fellman 116]

cleanspade i am just giving my opinion ..........that it differs from other peoples suprises me not!

what i said up there is just how i understand terrier work to be.....if i am mistaken im sure there are plenty of "real deal" terriermen on here who will put me straight ......

its got nothing to do with talking the talk ...or walking the walk .....just my opinion .....simple as that ...

ok ill ask you cleanspade....what do you expect from your terriers?

the plummer pup( bree?) what are your expectations?

im not trying to be some sort of wanker here just asking

yis fellman

[Guest grubygrafter]

right felly my dogs have to get foxes. end of. Bree is well bred working terrier. both her parents lost to the game she is for working foxes to ground . my plummer pup Sassy will be tried on foxes and we will see

how she does trusty kills or bolts foxes jades a sounder and bolts foxes. they help me get foxes. i have no desire to make the game any harder than it is and use different dogs in different situations. this is the way i work my dogs and it works well for me. i say it as i see it . have i said any different what i do with my plummer has no bearings as i have made no bold claims or statements about this dog.

[fellman 116]

is that not what i wrote up there?

you want the same thing as me .....a terrier to work.........i agree with everything you say

your dogs to me are working terriers.......thats all i want .........not sure why you had to write "you talk the talk "?

i said exactly the same thing as you ..

the game is easy spadist.........just ratting isnt digging thats my point .........

[Guest JOEB]

JOEB your a KNOB mate just a computer GEEK. Why don't you go and shove yourself 100% up your own ass cause I think you are already half way there matey.

 

Your exatcly right Scot, I am all those things and a messer to boot...........

 

Now where did you say your roe deer permission was?....

J

[Guest NICOLA]

you see chief therin lies the problem on one hand you state its sad that people slate digging pics then on the other hand you quite obviously slate ratting as non terrier work, you cant understand how someone could slate your chosen quarry but you openly admit that you look down on others ie ratting, i have as much interest in both to me they both have there merits, but i wouldnt dream of condeming one or the other, if it gets people out with there dogs wheres the harm?

I agree mate my dog goes ratting and is 17mnths nearly yet he will still go to ground if hes good at both i dont mind like you say there both vermin :thumbs-up:

[Guest shay]

f*****g spade brigade . your a shower of arrogant

tossers. you sit there slagging off any and every terrier that isnt up to the task you want your terriers

to do. yet you cant agree as to what that task is half the time. you spend half the time slagging everyone elses dogs and the other half slagging each others. backs to the wall lads us against them i have stopped posting on the other site as i did.nt know that even earth dogs have half a dozen different catagaries each with its own place above or below the other some to be sneered at by real digging lads.

i do dig foxes and bolt foxes. i have done and seen all terrierwork below ground ive had good bad and indifferent dogs. the difference between me and thee is i can get the job done with an inferior dog. and with less effort does that make me superior are we talking about the same thing . i await the death threats the truth of the matter is that most terriermen could'nt train a good allround terrier

by the way dont shoot the messenger i'me only saying what most are thinking

and i dont even do rats , although i do have a plummer pup :kiss:

 

 

So we will see your account deleted then will we for non posting,

 

The point most people are trying to get across is the vast huge difference between the two types of dog, a real true genuine terrier used for earth work and nothing else, single minded, focused, single handed is not in the same league as a terrier used for putting rabbits out of bushes to waiting lurchers or having a threes up on the rats, we should all know by now that the word Plummer shouldn't even be associated with the task or idea of serious earth work.

 

I don't give a hoot what you say about getting the job done with an inferior dog GG but I can and will take you to spots where only a tried and tested (superior not inferior) dog will get a result, your inferior dog will and i guarantee will come running out with its tail between its legs, see in reality a dog doesn't need bottle or bollox or heart to do the bushing/ratting type of career but it needs it in huge doses to carry off a respectable career in the ground, THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.