rabbitracer 4 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 how many of the people who have commented on this subject can honestlie say they have done a full season of running proper single handed dogs 2 - 3 days a week on big land and killed good hares regular???? Because iv read a lot of your answers to this lads question and it doesnt seem like it to me. firstlie did you have the stopwatch and time the run mate? Iv seen a lot of coursing and very few runs ever last five minits, they may seem like it at the time but in reality it was probely 2 mins. secondlie how can you comment on an older dog not being any good for running a hare for a long time? lucky and foxy no doubt had real long runs were they no good? how can you blame someone for the pup getting in on a long run hes not a fortune teller howd he know it was going to go a long way when he slipped it ? ? Come on when are you ment to feed a dog a fortnight before you run it ? ? ? hows feeding it the night before an exuse thats when they should be feed. once a SKIDDER always a SKIDDER once a lurcher knows he can throw the towel in he will do it again 1000%, Dump it or shoot it. iv given them the benifit of the doubt before and it may be next run the next month the next year but thell do it again when things ant going its way. it may be your fault it jacked but the damage was done. Im not trying to ridicule people but Iv done a fair bit of coursing in the past and if you run the odd hare when you see one on the lamp or keep rabbiting lurchers i dont think you should stick the boot in so easily. "Dump it or shoot it" - Very Nice, good publicity for coursing that. Quote Link to post
mackay 3,363 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Five minutes on a hare, maybe the pup just got bored. Quote Link to post
moonlighter 1,163 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 My old dog had a bad time when he was about the same age...he got on a hare and every time he lost it and started coming back another one got up in front of him! Each run was only about 1 1/2 mins but he prob ran about 5/6 hares one after another!! In the end he jacked fair and square I had to carry him back to the van. Luckily though he had no lasting damage but that could be just luck... Who knows but it was a worrying few months. Quote Link to post
baldockbanks courser 598 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 how many of the people who have commented on this subject can honestlie say they have done a full season of running proper single handed dogs 2 - 3 days a week on big land and killed good hares regular???? Because iv read a lot of your answers to this lads question and it doesnt seem like it to me. firstlie did you have the stopwatch and time the run mate? Iv seen a lot of coursing and very few runs ever last five minits, they may seem like it at the time but in reality it was probely 2 mins. secondlie how can you comment on an older dog not being any good for running a hare for a long time? lucky and foxy no doubt had real long runs were they no good? how can you blame someone for the pup getting in on a long run hes not a fortune teller howd he know it was going to go a long way when he slipped it ? ? Come on when are you ment to feed a dog a fortnight before you run it ? ? ? hows feeding it the night before an exuse thats when they should be feed. once a SKIDDER always a SKIDDER once a lurcher knows he can throw the towel in he will do it again 1000%, Dump it or shoot it. iv given them the benifit of the doubt before and it may be next run the next month the next year but thell do it again when things ant going its way. it may be your fault it jacked but the damage was done. Im not trying to ridicule people but Iv done a fair bit of coursing in the past and if you run the odd hare when you see one on the lamp or keep rabbiting lurchers i dont think you should stick the boot in so easily. you say you are an experienced coursing man but yet you didn't condone running an 11 month old SAPLING on any type of hare corse... this age of dog shouldn't be let loose in an area where hare is present for fear they will follow one and chances are will end up causing irreversible damage to vital organs. crazy.... instead you state that this person wasn't supposed to know the course was going to be as long..... again this dog shouldn't have been off the lead..who can ever guarentee how long or short a course will will be once a hare has ground under him i agree...... reguardless its total lack of disipline and respect for the dog to let such a thing happen. men from bygone years will always say its the one sure fine way to destroy a young dog, giving it a hard run/hare too young. this dog will prob have respiratory problems from here on in. As a lurcher man you have to judge every dog as an individual. j.j won the forley cup at 16 months of age you cant tell me hed only been coursing a month or so to be kill every hare that got up infront of him. my own old bitch penny was born in november and by the next christmas she was killing hares single handed in big feilds. I never hammered her with loads of runs that year but by the following christmas she was knocking 3 over most times out. but shes dead and gone so thats all history now. But I can 1 million percent tell you that if an un injured dog JACKS he will do it again FACT. If you want to kid yourself and keep him to show you up again thats your choice but show you up he will. Quote Link to post
fieldsman 51 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 9/10 times a experience dog should have done the buisness in 5 minutes ,so next time run with a better dog then will have less chance of jacking My thoughts exactly its nice to have a dog that can stick but it would prob be better slipping the pup in after a 2 or 3 mins rather than from the start .I would rather wait until the pup can do it on its own only the owner can judge when its ready. Or probably not in this case. Quote Link to post
Catcher 1 639 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 my mates dog pulled up yesterday in stinger of a race? do you mean the dogs were raceing about or in a race ,a 5 mins race ,eitherway that is along time for a pup 2 be running ,i would,nt say give up on the dog just lay off it and remeber the dogs doing it for fun and at moment before it relizes whats reqired of it next season and jackers are usually bred trough dogs THEY WERE COURSING A HARE Where you lamping.Or was the dog out daytime working thr ground. Quote Link to post
rocky1 942 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 my mates dog pulled up yesterday in stinger of a race? do you mean the dogs were raceing about or in a race ,a 5 mins race ,eitherway that is along time for a pup 2 be running ,i would,nt say give up on the dog just lay off it and remeber the dogs doing it for fun and at moment before it relizes whats reqired of it next season and jackers are usually bred trough dogs THEY WERE COURSING A HARE Where you lamping.Or was the dog out daytime working thr ground. i,m sure it was dureing the day Quote Link to post
Catcher 1 639 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 my mates dog pulled up yesterday in stinger of a race? do you mean the dogs were raceing about or in a race ,a 5 mins race ,eitherway that is along time for a pup 2 be running ,i would,nt say give up on the dog just lay off it and remeber the dogs doing it for fun and at moment before it relizes whats reqired of it next season and jackers are usually bred trough dogs THEY WERE COURSING A HARE Where you lamping.Or was the dog out daytime working thr ground. i,m sure it was dureing the day If you feel you have to run a pup that young on hares.At least let the olded dog work it up and take some of the run out of it.Before sliping the pup.Give it half a chanch. Quote Link to post
bud9 79 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 A MATES 11 MONTHS OLD DOG PULLED UP IN A STINGER OF A RACE YESTERDAY. SHE WAS DOUBLED UP WITH AN OLDER AND MUCH MORE EXPERCIENED DOG, AND IT WAS EASILY OVER 5 MINUTES.THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SHE HAS DONE THIS AND SHE WAS FED THE NIGHT BEFORE (HE DID NOT NO). QUESTION IS, IS SHE NOW A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME??? AND HAS THE OWNER COMPLETELY RUINED HER?? ONCE THEY JACK, DO THEY JACK FOR LIFE?? well your mate is going the right way about running the pup in to the groud Quote Link to post
artful212 394 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 my mates dog pulled up yesterday in stinger of a race? do you mean the dogs were raceing about or in a race ,a 5 mins race ,eitherway that is along time for a pup 2 be running ,i would,nt say give up on the dog just lay off it and remeber the dogs doing it for fun and at moment before it relizes whats reqired of it next season and jackers are usually bred trough dogs THEY WERE COURSING A HARE well it knows what 2 down the when tough gets going ,far 2 young ,i,ve read somewear that a dogs lungs are even fully development till 16 /18 months and long hard runs can damage them and scar them for life ,just my opion i sure the longdogs men will clear this up for you read dis to and seen it in a dog not good shud hav more sense id say she prob lost interest Quote Link to post
tote 854 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 A MATES 11 MONTHS OLD DOG PULLED UP IN A STINGER OF A RACE YESTERDAY. SHE WAS DOUBLED UP WITH AN OLDER AND MUCH MORE EXPERCIENED DOG, AND IT WAS EASILY OVER 5 MINUTES.THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SHE HAS DONE THIS AND SHE WAS FED THE NIGHT BEFORE (HE DID NOT NO). QUESTION IS, IS SHE NOW A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME??? AND HAS THE OWNER COMPLETELY RUINED HER?? ONCE THEY JACK, DO THEY JACK FOR LIFE?? How is the pup bred? Quote Link to post
3 Turns 326 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 my mates dog pulled up yesterday in stinger of a race? do you mean the dogs were raceing about or in a race ,a 5 mins race ,eitherway that is along time for a pup 2 be running ,i would,nt say give up on the dog just lay off it and remeber the dogs doing it for fun and at moment before it relizes whats reqired of it next season and jackers are usually bred trough dogs THEY WERE COURSING A HARE Where you lamping.Or was the dog out daytime working thr ground. i,m sure it was dureing the day If you feel you have to run a pup that young on hares.At least let the olded dog work it up and take some of the run out of it.Before sliping the pup.Give it half a chanch. I AGREE CATCHER Quote Link to post
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 how many of the people who have commented on this subject can honestlie say they have done a full season of running proper single handed dogs 2 - 3 days a week on big land and killed good hares regular???? Because iv read a lot of your answers to this lads question and it doesnt seem like it to me. firstlie did you have the stopwatch and time the run mate? Iv seen a lot of coursing and very few runs ever last five minits, they may seem like it at the time but in reality it was probely 2 mins. secondlie how can you comment on an older dog not being any good for running a hare for a long time? lucky and foxy no doubt had real long runs were they no good? how can you blame someone for the pup getting in on a long run hes not a fortune teller howd he know it was going to go a long way when he slipped it ? ? Come on when are you ment to feed a dog a fortnight before you run it ? ? ? hows feeding it the night before an exuse thats when they should be feed. once a SKIDDER always a SKIDDER once a lurcher knows he can throw the towel in he will do it again 1000%, Dump it or shoot it. iv given them the benifit of the doubt before and it may be next run the next month the next year but thell do it again when things ant going its way. it may be your fault it jacked but the damage was done. Im not trying to ridicule people but Iv done a fair bit of coursing in the past and if you run the odd hare when you see one on the lamp or keep rabbiting lurchers i dont think you should stick the boot in so easily. "Dump it or shoot it" - Very Nice, good publicity for coursing that. Agreed! Anybody that hasnt the balls to do whats right by a dog and so dumps it is a f*****g coward and scum! Even a jacker deserves a clean ending. Quote Link to post
jambay5 191 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 2 much 2 young end of pre ban my mut wont see longears till 24months old! pups have a lot to learn from catching lots of rabbits first just my opinion. Quote Link to post
ribb 15 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 A MATES 11 MONTHS OLD DOG PULLED UP IN A STINGER OF A RACE YESTERDAY. SHE WAS DOUBLED UP WITH AN OLDER AND MUCH MORE EXPERCIENED DOG, AND IT WAS EASILY OVER 5 MINUTES.THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SHE HAS DONE THIS AND SHE WAS FED THE NIGHT BEFORE (HE DID NOT NO). QUESTION IS, IS SHE NOW A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME??? AND HAS THE OWNER COMPLETELY RUINED HER?? ONCE THEY JACK, DO THEY JACK FOR LIFE?? in answer to your first question is she a complete waste of time i'd say no but that will all depend on what you do with the dog now, bearing in mind the dog is still a baby. as to whether the owner has completely ruined her, not yet but given time i'm sure he will manage it.to answer the third question,this is a tricky one, once they jack do they jack for life,no but when even the best of dogs,the legends are pushed beyond their capabilities they will jack,everything has a jacking point ,the trick is to know and understand your dogs capabilities Quote Link to post
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