JACKING (OR PULLING UP)

[rocky1 942]

A MATES 11 MONTHS OLD DOG PULLED UP IN A STINGER OF A RACE YESTERDAY. SHE WAS DOUBLED

UP WITH AN OLDER AND MUCH MORE EXPERCIENED DOG, AND IT WAS EASILY OVER 5 MINUTES.THIS

IS THE FIRST TIME SHE HAS DONE THIS AND SHE WAS FED THE NIGHT BEFORE (HE DID NOT NO).

QUESTION IS, IS SHE NOW A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME??? AND HAS THE OWNER COMPLETELY RUINED

HER?? ONCE THEY JACK, DO THEY JACK FOR LIFE??

WTF look at the owner before you start to question the ability of the dog .I`d say that the ownwer is a, whingy,moany, cnut that expects every dog to be a plummer champion,first time out .And what may i add, do you think of the owner??.

you,ve been here before lol

ehhh?got nowt ,constructive to say then dont make ,assumptions.

think you,ll find its a open forum ,and no need 2 go on the way you are its not even your dog

So what is your ,cronstructive,advice to the OP .Or do you want to continue ,to block the forum up with shit.

well if you read the tread from the beginning i did give the person in question constructive advice instead of coming in at the end of a tread and shouting your mouth off,like i said its a open forum and we all not going 2 agree on everything,and thats all i,ve got 2 say on the matter

spelling are u a makem ??.

spelling constructive are you welsh

You are a makam .

is that you flint ,you not lamping your sledge dogs tonite

[graham4877 1,181]

A MATES 11 MONTHS OLD DOG PULLED UP IN A STINGER OF A RACE YESTERDAY. SHE WAS DOUBLED

UP WITH AN OLDER AND MUCH MORE EXPERCIENED DOG, AND IT WAS EASILY OVER 5 MINUTES.THIS

IS THE FIRST TIME SHE HAS DONE THIS AND SHE WAS FED THE NIGHT BEFORE (HE DID NOT NO).

QUESTION IS, IS SHE NOW A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME??? AND HAS THE OWNER COMPLETELY RUINED

HER?? ONCE THEY JACK, DO THEY JACK FOR LIFE??

WTF look at the owner before you start to question the ability of the dog .I`d say that the ownwer is a, whingy,moany, cnut that expects every dog to be a plummer champion,first time out .And what may i add, do you think of the owner??.

you,ve been here before lol

ehhh?got nowt ,constructive to say then dont make ,assumptions.

think you,ll find its a open forum ,and no need 2 go on the way you are its not even your dog

So what is your ,cronstructive,advice to the OP .Or do you want to continue ,to block the forum up with shit.

well if you read the tread from the beginning i did give the person in question constructive advice instead of coming in at the end of a tread and shouting your mouth off,like i said its a open forum and we all not going 2 agree on everything,and thats all i,ve got 2 say on the matter

spelling are u a makem ??.

spelling constructive are you welsh

You are a makam .

are you a fake with two account??

Yes what you said about the my dog's at fault posts makes sence!

A GOOD DOG MAN WILL WORK ROUND THE PROBLEM! AND USE IT TO HIS BEST!!!

[fox digger 1,086]

YES HE DID SAY THE DOG JACKED ! ! !

 

" my mates 11 month old pup " PULLED up " on a stinger of a run" ! did you not read the topic title ?????

if thats not jacking what is.

 

And im not going into what happened with my terreir on here to someone I dont know but shes over 3 year old had plenty of chances Iv tried every way to get her to do her job. I only started her after she was 2 and a half. they dont all work.

 

thats not a jacker, the lad doesn't seem to know the score with this situation all he knows is the dog stopped running and wants to know if it will happen again. read into the situation not just the words. the dog DID NOT JACK. he burned out, without doubt. plus my friend you have just proven to everyone you are in no position to comment on this topic and tell this inexperienced guy what to do. first time stopping for this dog rit..... you say "shoot it", yet you say about your terrier that you gave it several chances and kept trying it.. so obviously YOU didn't "shoot it" when i thought you were a firm believer in this type of thing.... and you go on further to say that the dog was 2.5 years old, approx 30months right, approx 19 months older than the lurcher you have a gun pointed at for trying its heart out. you waited till yours was mature to make sure she wasn't gonna do it.and mithe i add sahe is ovr 3 now and still alive... strange.

 

i think mate you will find you have just proved all my previous points, and in an argumentative way you are agreeing with me.....

oh and i wasn't asking the about your terrier in any way, you brought up the comment on your terrier. this thread is not about you im afraid, i just used your earlier statement about your dog to use it as an example, i think most of us that tried to give an honest opionon to an honest question are saying the same thing so i guess we cant all be wrong baldockbanks.did YOU not read the previous posts......atb

Edited March 3, 2011 by fox digger

[fox digger 1,086]

 

firstly he didn't say the dog jacked, your missing the point, the dog is 11 months and possible got a five min hard run...how can anyone jump in and say yea the dog jacked and yea he's a dead loss and will def do it again... Bo***x in my opinion. im all for culling a dog that is not cutting the mustard or even a moderate dog that tries his best all the time but just not good enough. before that decision is made id at least wait untill the dog is mature and has had sufficient chance before you can properly say he's not the real deal. the dog is obviously gamey to stay on a course for 5mins with very little experience under his belt (remember 11 months old so work it out) so he obviously has some sort of potential. after puttin 11 month worth of time and grub into a pup i wouldn't mind holdin onto him for another few months to make sure, after all your judging a dog that simply burned himself out. you tell everyone about your terrier that jacked, i keep a lot of terriers, rear them from pups and enter them correctly, and thats only when there of the right age which this lurcher was not, ive yet to see one that goes into an earth and works 100% on there first attempt or second for that matter. so if a young terrier leaves a hole after having only been in once or twice before and got a hard time this time can you say that its a jacker and you'd cull it..... if so i tink you mite have jumped the gun on the one last week!

so from my experience of dogs and reading your comments you cant tell me 1 million percent anything im afraid. and im kidding nobody by saying give a PUP a chance.

 

What a good level headed post

 

 

cheers wilf, he did ask for an opinion so i gave my 2 cents, sum guys on here seem determined to post outragous comments and then go into defensive mode once anyone questions their theorys!!

atb,

[WILF 46,550]

Just my very uneducated opinion, but you cant say a lurcher is no good until it has had at least a couple of seasons as a mature adult getting enough game put in front of it......you cant make your mind up that a dog is a lost cause in 5 minutes, it takes long, hard consideration about all the factors in the equation.

 

What I will say is, once you have made your mind up then get on with it, dont prolong the agony because mentally you will have gone away from the dog and life is short.

 

In this case, I would say this episode tells you nothing about the dog or its abilities......you just cant make an opinion based on that one time.

[fox digger 1,086]

Just my very uneducated opinion, but you cant say a lurcher is no good until it has had at least a couple of seasons as a mature adult getting enough game put in front of it......you cant make your mind up that a dog is a lost cause in 5 minutes, it takes long, hard consideration about all the factors in the equation.

 

What I will say is, once you have made your mind up then get on with it, dont prolong the agony because mentally you will have gone away from the dog and life is short.

 

In this case, I would say this episode tells you nothing about the dog or its abilities......you just cant make an opinion based on that one time.

 

very true. great opinion for a guy that recons he has limited experience of lurchers, well said mate, atb

[fensaluki 35]

Just my very uneducated opinion, but you cant say a lurcher is no good until it has had at least a couple of seasons as a mature adult getting enough game put in front of it......you cant make your mind up that a dog is a lost cause in 5 minutes, it takes long, hard consideration about all the factors in the equation.

 

What I will say is, once you have made your mind up then get on with it, dont prolong the agony because mentally you will have gone away from the dog and life is short.

 

In this case, I would say this episode tells you nothing about the dog or its abilities......you just cant make an opinion based on that one time.

 

 

 

A few more attitudes like this and I honestly beleive there would be alot more lurchers doing their thing insted of living in the the rescue centers

 

ATB

[baldockbanks courser 598]

YES HE DID SAY THE DOG JACKED ! ! !

 

" my mates 11 month old pup " PULLED up " on a stinger of a run" ! did you not read the topic title ?????

if thats not jacking what is.

 

And im not going into what happened with my terreir on here to someone I dont know but shes over 3 year old had plenty of chances Iv tried every way to get her to do her job. I only started her after she was 2 and a half. they dont all work.

 

thats not a jacker, the lad doesn't seem to know the score with this situation all he knows is the dog stopped running and wants to know if it will happen again. read into the situation not just the words. the dog DID NOT JACK. he burned out, without doubt. plus my friend you have just proven to everyone you are in no position to comment on this topic and tell this inexperienced guy what to do. first time stopping for this dog rit..... you say "shoot it", yet you say about your terrier that you gave it several chances and kept trying it.. so obviously YOU didn't "shoot it" when i thought you were a firm believer in this type of thing.... and you go on further to say that the dog was 2.5 years old, approx 30months right, approx 19 months older than the lurcher you have a gun pointed at for trying its heart out. you waited till yours was mature to make sure she wasn't gonna do it.and mithe i add sahe is ovr 3 now and still alive... strange.

 

i think mate you will find you have just proved all my previous points, and in an argumentative way you are agreeing with me.....

oh and i wasn't asking the about your terrier in any way, you brought up the comment on your terrier. this thread is not about you im afraid, i just used your earlier statement about your dog to use it as an example, i think most of us that tried to give an honest opionon to an honest question are saying the same thing so i guess we cant all be wrong baldockbanks.did YOU not read the previous posts......atb

If a dog can see is quarry and stops running it has jacked.

It sounds like what you know about coursing you could put on a postage stamp. Whats the name of the good match dogs youv had mate?

Ill ask a few lads if theve herd of it?

 

The reason I didnt try the terreir bitch till she was that age was I didnt have the permission I have got till recentlie.

to be honest I think me and you expect diffrent things from a terreir and lurcher. I give mine proper tests to end up with dogs worth breeding stock from.

 

save me the bother of another twenty page answer please will agree to differ if you think a lurcher stopping behind a hare is exceptable.

[fox digger 1,086]

YES HE DID SAY THE DOG JACKED ! ! !

 

" my mates 11 month old pup " PULLED up " on a stinger of a run" ! did you not read the topic title ?????

if thats not jacking what is.

 

And im not going into what happened with my terreir on here to someone I dont know but shes over 3 year old had plenty of chances Iv tried every way to get her to do her job. I only started her after she was 2 and a half. they dont all work.

 

thats not a jacker, the lad doesn't seem to know the score with this situation all he knows is the dog stopped running and wants to know if it will happen again. read into the situation not just the words. the dog DID NOT JACK. he burned out, without doubt. plus my friend you have just proven to everyone you are in no position to comment on this topic and tell this inexperienced guy what to do. first time stopping for this dog rit..... you say "shoot it", yet you say about your terrier that you gave it several chances and kept trying it.. so obviously YOU didn't "shoot it" when i thought you were a firm believer in this type of thing.... and you go on further to say that the dog was 2.5 years old, approx 30months right, approx 19 months older than the lurcher you have a gun pointed at for trying its heart out. you waited till yours was mature to make sure she wasn't gonna do it.and mithe i add sahe is ovr 3 now and still alive... strange.

 

i think mate you will find you have just proved all my previous points, and in an argumentative way you are agreeing with me.....

oh and i wasn't asking the about your terrier in any way, you brought up the comment on your terrier. this thread is not about you im afraid, i just used your earlier statement about your dog to use it as an example, i think most of us that tried to give an honest opionon to an honest question are saying the same thing so i guess we cant all be wrong baldockbanks.did YOU not read the previous posts......atb

If a dog can see is quarry and stops running it has jacked.

It sounds like what you know about coursing you could put on a postage stamp. Whats the name of the good match dogs youv had mate?

Ill ask a few lads if theve herd of it?

 

The reason I didnt try the terreir bitch till she was that age was I didnt have the permission I have got till recentlie.

to be honest I think me and you expect diffrent things from a terreir and lurcher. I give mine proper tests to end up with dogs worth breeding stock from.

 

save me the bother of another twenty page answer please will agree to differ if you think a lurcher stopping behind a hare is exceptable.

 

ah her, your off your game pal, yea i will leave it at that because ya obviosly not gonna admit your wrong. keeping dogs and not working them because you dont have land to hunt them........ says enough for me, most huntin lads that have been in the game for years have plenty of land. i know i do. i donk keep match dogs my friend, i have over 30 dogs her that you are more than welcome to come see if you think im raving about that too but none of them are soley for hare, all my lurchers are genuine all rounders that i dont brag about and only close friends know about them and seen them work, and i like to keep it that way for obvious reasons but a couple of them would have no prob doing 4/5 single handed on any daytime irish hare. im a firm believer that those who talk most often have very little to talk about. now goodluck.

Edited March 3, 2011 by fox digger

[baldockbanks courser 598]

not being funny fox digger but just saw a topic ( Im looking for a good coursing dog in ireland ) and you said " iV just bought a coursing pup thats a deerhound greyhound x collie whippet something or the other" !

 

That is not my idea of a coursing dog im not saying it wont be a good lurcher but its not a coursing dog. Iv got a 6 month deerhound greyhound at the minit.

and I would not call that a coursing dog Im afraid.

 

a coursing dog capable of running strong hares on big land and worthy of having a gamble on or putting in a single handed comp is breed from the best of the best usually saluki x lurchers.

[baldockbanks courser 598]

the reason people say they dont keep match dogs. Is that match dogs prove there selves under pressure.

any one can have a dog and make statements about it killing 4/5 even if it is in irland and having been to limerick, clare and quite a few other places in ireland I didnt see one scrap of land that would test a lurcher one bit like boston, sleaford, chatteris or baldock while I was there.

 

its good to talk! fetch your dog to any big decent proper coursing land in england next winter and I know a good dog "arthur" a proper match dog whos not affraid to put his good name on the line. anyone can have a world beater if no one sees them run.

[fox digger 1,086]

not being funny fox digger but just saw a topic ( Im looking for a good coursing dog in ireland ) and you said " iV just bought a coursing pup thats a deerhound greyhound x collie whippet something or the other" !

 

That is not my idea of a coursing dog im not saying it wont be a good lurcher but its not a coursing dog. Iv got a 6 month deerhound greyhound at the minit.

and I would not call that a coursing dog Im afraid.

 

a coursing dog capable of running strong hares on big land and worthy of having a gamble on or putting in a single handed comp is breed from the best of the best usually saluki x lurchers.

 

hows it goin, there is a lad on donedeal sellin a litter of nice pups, they should be good allrounders, i just bought one, the mother is flyin on hare an the dog is a great allrounder, sire is deerhound greyhound bedlington, the dam is 7/8 hound 1/8 collie. pups are crackers. check out the pics on donedeal anyway mate, should do all game with ease.

 

this was my reply to this chaps post. as i said to him should be good allrounders not soley coursing dog. nice to have options.... i have seen the dam on hare and she is outstanding,

[baldockbanks courser 598]

not being funny fox digger but just saw a topic ( Im looking for a good coursing dog in ireland ) and you said " iV just bought a coursing pup thats a deerhound greyhound x collie whippet something or the other" !

 

That is not my idea of a coursing dog im not saying it wont be a good lurcher but its not a coursing dog. Iv got a 6 month deerhound greyhound at the minit.

and I would not call that a coursing dog Im afraid.

 

a coursing dog capable of running strong hares on big land and worthy of having a gamble on or putting in a single handed comp is breed from the best of the best usually saluki x lurchers.

 

hows it goin, there is a lad on donedeal sellin a litter of nice pups, they should be good allrounders, i just bought one, the mother is flyin on hare an the dog is a great allrounder, sire is deerhound greyhound bedlington, the dam is 7/8 hound 1/8 collie. pups are crackers. check out the pics on donedeal anyway mate, should do all game with ease.

 

this was my reply to this chaps post. as i said to him should be good allrounders not soley coursing dog. nice to have options.... i have seen the dam on hare and she is outstanding,

but what im saying is he clearlie asked for a "coursing dog" and it seems you struggle to differentiate between an all rounder and acoursing dog thats what im getting at.

 

Its like some one asking for a "digging dog" and me saying I know a russel x that bolts rabbits kills rats and stays to fox for five minits and is a good bolter. I wouldnt class that a digging dog just like there not coursing dogs.

[TOMO 26,005]

YES HE DID SAY THE DOG JACKED ! ! !

 

" my mates 11 month old pup " PULLED up " on a stinger of a run" ! did you not read the topic title ?????

if thats not jacking what is.

 

And im not going into what happened with my terreir on here to someone I dont know but shes over 3 year old had plenty of chances Iv tried every way to get her to do her job. I only started her after she was 2 and a half. they dont all work.

 

thats not a jacker, the lad doesn't seem to know the score with this situation all he knows is the dog stopped running and wants to know if it will happen again. read into the situation not just the words. the dog DID NOT JACK. he burned out, without doubt. plus my friend you have just proven to everyone you are in no position to comment on this topic and tell this inexperienced guy what to do. first time stopping for this dog rit..... you say "shoot it", yet you say about your terrier that you gave it several chances and kept trying it.. so obviously YOU didn't "shoot it" when i thought you were a firm believer in this type of thing.... and you go on further to say that the dog was 2.5 years old, approx 30months right, approx 19 months older than the lurcher you have a gun pointed at for trying its heart out. you waited till yours was mature to make sure she wasn't gonna do it.and mithe i add sahe is ovr 3 now and still alive... strange.

 

i think mate you will find you have just proved all my previous points, and in an argumentative way you are agreeing with me.....

oh and i wasn't asking the about your terrier in any way, you brought up the comment on your terrier. this thread is not about you im afraid, i just used your earlier statement about your dog to use it as an example, i think most of us that tried to give an honest opionon to an honest question are saying the same thing so i guess we cant all be wrong baldockbanks.did YOU not read the previous posts......atb

If a dog can see is quarry and stops running it has jacked.

It sounds like what you know about coursing you could put on a postage stamp. Whats the name of the good match dogs youv had mate?

Ill ask a few lads if theve herd of it?

 

The reason I didnt try the terreir bitch till she was that age was I didnt have the permission I have got till recentlie.

to be honest I think me and you expect diffrent things from a terreir and lurcher. I give mine proper tests to end up with dogs worth breeding stock from.

 

save me the bother of another twenty page answer please will agree to differ if you think a lurcher stopping behind a hare is exceptable.

 

i dont agree with ya baldocks,,, some dogs dont have that kind of staminar,, it dont make them a jacker,,, if your dog runs a hare for lets say 10 mins then pulls up cos its fecked has it jacked,,,,, cors it aint its just reached its own LIMIT evry animal on earth has a LIMIT its just with top coursing dogs there limit is longer than your avrage lurcher.

 

JACKING is a dog that stands watching game run off with no intent on catching it.

[GUN SHIP 2]

I,wonder , how many Good all round running dogs, are subject to a life of misery or death,due to peoples expetations of them through,books/websites and the like .IMO sounds like ,some folkes would be better off,getting a rifle rather than a dog.