Dan_Mercian 27 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 It was quite entertaining, people ringing up about: Keeping guns locked in police stations People shooting cats with .22 airguns There were 2 or 3 guys who actually knew their stuff but the rest was just uneducated bollocks. What did you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 you need a licence over here for em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_Mercian 27 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Where does it stop though? We've got a licence in place for when they're so powerful anyway, but do you go on to licence crossbows and catapults? Knives? They're all the same it's not the item that's dangerous it's the uneducated cock handling it! Haha 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt_hooks 188 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 One of the "informed minority" was a member from this site. The usual inflammatory twaddle we've come to expect from Vine and his cronies (yes, I know it wasn't him presenting, but the same production team) with little regard for common sense or the facts, and a great deal to tugging as many heart strings as possible. The woman about the cat, WTF? Ok, if someone took potshots at any of my pets with an air rifle, I'd be fu####g livid, but how was it relevant to the discussion? As you can tell, I wasn't very impressed. (I don't know why I ever bother to listen to Vine, it only ever has me foaming at the mouth because of the general numptiness that he seems to cherish so much!) I might write in and suggest a topic. Something along the lines of "should journalists have to prove the bollocks they witter on about" 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel Shooter 5 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters." - Frank Lloyd Wright Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 One of the "informed minority" was a member from this site. The usual inflammatory twaddle we've come to expect from Vine and his cronies (yes, I know it wasn't him presenting, but the same production team) with little regard for common sense or the facts, and a great deal to tugging as many heart strings as possible. The woman about the cat, WTF? Ok, if someone took potshots at any of my pets with an air rifle, I'd be fu####g livid, but how was it relevant to the discussion? As you can tell, I wasn't very impressed. (I don't know why I ever bother to listen to Vine, it only ever has me foaming at the mouth because of the general numptiness that he seems to cherish so much!) I might write in and suggest a topic. Something along the lines of "should journalists have to prove the bollocks they witter on about" Have given up listening to that show especially when its anything to do with hunting, I cant stand Jeremy Vine and his whinny voice. The BBC never seem to report on anything in an unbiased way and just take what they think will be the opinion of the majority of the population and turn on the other view. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hob&Jill 258 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Its a shame it would come to licencing, but would it really be that much of a problem? It wouldnt be hard to get a licence if one was introduced and it might just put off a few of the chavvy dicks who view them more like toys from buying them. The shotgun licence is very easy to get so I cant see a air rifle one being hard. The air gun people are always banging on about idiots giving the sport a bad name and a licence is bound to put some people off bothering. All they have to do now is walk into a shop and £30 will get them a shitty SMK banger. If they had to fill in a form and applying etc they are not going to bother. I doubt they could turn down many people applying for one, but I think the having to apply is the deterant. I am only playing devils advocate here and dont get me wrong, idiots will still own them whether legally or illegally but it may help to cut back the amount of bell ends who own them! atb, HJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt_hooks 188 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hob, I kind of agree. I hold FAC and SGC, so applying for an air rifle would be very little problem for me. However, what level of checks would be in place? Would it purely be a stalling tactic, like the American "cooling off period" idea, or would it involve the same medical questions and background checks as the SGC or FAC? The police firearms licencing people are understaffed enough as it is (and officious enough in some cases) so adding a huge number of airguns to their workload would bring the whole system to a grinding halt, unless significant investment was made in personnal and systems to deal with it (like that's going to happen in the current environment). Why should law abiding airgunners have to pay out £50 (I can't see it being cheaper than an SGC or FAC application) for the right to own and use their weapons? And then how many wouldn't meet the criteria? I know several airgun shooters, seriously good shots and extremely responsible, who would be declined an FAC due to medical history. Would they still be able to use their airguns? And then we have storage. Of course, most responsible people will have their airguns locked away, but if my air rifles were on ticket, then the FEO would be telling me I needed a silent alarm, more cabinets and all sorts of other rubbish. I agree that it might actually have benefits, but the law is complex enough as it is, complicating it more is un-necessary! Totally agree about Vine, what an annoying little twerp, without an original idea in his head! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hob&Jill 258 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) What ever happens, we can guarentee that it will be way over the top and illogical!... The sensible thing would be for anyone who holds a SGC or FAC to be able to own one without having to do any further certificates etc. I cant think of a single reason why someone should be allowed to own a shotgun but not an air rifle. Maybe even something like a couple of hours of safety demonstration with a little certificate handed out at the end. I think that would be enough to put off the majority of the boneheads. If anything was introduced I would hope it would be a low key, fairly informal thing that once you have gained the certificate you can go on as normal and things like storage etc could continue as they are now. But whats the chances of that?! its bound to be over complicated and awkward. Lets just hope it dosent happen! HJ Edited February 28, 2011 by Hob&Jill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skinner 348 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 It was quite entertaining, people ringing up about: Keeping guns locked in police stations People shooting cats with .22 airguns There were 2 or 3 guys who actually knew their stuff but the rest was just uneducated bollocks. What did you think? yes i agree they should be Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 791 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 OK Jeremy Vine was NOT the host Paddy Connelly was sitting in for him(he actually made Vine look well better) The reference to the woman who's cat had been shot on 2seperate occassions,followed on from an email he read out flippantly less than 30seconds earlier(coincidence )from a woman saying her friend"does a good job with his air rifle shooting seagulls raiding binbags and cats that crap in his garden"Que the woman Then the guy on the phone bleating on about licensing air weapons he mentioned 3 major incidents Dunblane,Hungerford and Cumbria last year He was never challenged over this remark. None of the incidents involved air weapons and all 3 men held licenses for the guns they did use so what good did licensing do then? P**s still boiling Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_Mercian 27 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 One of the "informed minority" was a member from this site. The usual inflammatory twaddle we've come to expect from Vine and his cronies (yes, I know it wasn't him presenting, but the same production team) with little regard for common sense or the facts, and a great deal to tugging as many heart strings as possible. The woman about the cat, WTF? Ok, if someone took potshots at any of my pets with an air rifle, I'd be fu####g livid, but how was it relevant to the discussion? As you can tell, I wasn't very impressed. (I don't know why I ever bother to listen to Vine, it only ever has me foaming at the mouth because of the general numptiness that he seems to cherish so much!) I might write in and suggest a topic. Something along the lines of "should journalists have to prove the bollocks they witter on about" Yeah, I never usually listen to radio 2 but when it came on I had to sit and listen, I just couldnt believe how fast it went off topic. The woman with the cat was a silly caller to put through, no-one with half a brain would try to kill a cat with an air rifle!! I think its all down to the person handling it, and as said if they have to fill out forms etc they probably wont bother buying one, so I think licencing could be a good idea! aslong as its not over the top pricing! The bit about keeping the gun at the police station was daft aswell! If I want to shoot someone (I dont im just using an example...) Id go to my gunsafe, take the gun out and shoot them, If the gun was at the police station, Id go there, get the gun out and shoot them....I dont see the logic in it, you still own a gun and can still shoot someone its just some people are mental, you cant stop that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chimp 299 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) just listened to it on iplayer , lol you go get em mushroom that anti went into stutter mode Edited February 28, 2011 by chimp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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