BULL XES

[Red Collar 28]

Theres been some interesting topics posted of late concerning the bull x and them being brain dead crunching machine.Which i totaly disagree with .i myself have been involved in running dogs for past 20 years and believe me had my fair share of shite of every breed.but the last say 10 years have kept my own stuff which basically is bull lurcher with a variety of blood in the line including minshaw [the old stuff] and variety of top class track dogs.i agree with some comments about people going hell bent on having bull blood in there dogs nowadays but even with bulls there is a lot of shite breed .people just breeding any type bull with any greyhound etc and expecting a world beater.but is it not the same in all types of lurchers???take for instance saluki xes.i myself have seen some good dogs over the years but again seen some shite....all bullx owners don,t piss in the same pot.my own view on the bull cross is pre ban nothing could touch them lamping charlies 3 to 4 nights a week and catching and killing between 3to 7 a night [good winter foxes].and if the dog is doing that much work he will have it down to fine art and will not take much damage ,but even the best dogs take stick in all different breeds.

being the one that starting this thread by going by what you said 3-4 nights a week and 3 to 7 fox a night(would like to see pics) then on adverage 15-20 fox a week!! for an adverage of a 3 month season(good winter fox as you said) thats 2-300+ fox a season for a dog(as im guessing by your post your on about a single dog?)

i take it they didnt get any stick from all then fox and didnt have to be rested for healing

i would like to see some pics of such dogs.

Who said singlehanded mate,wat is this let's all get red collar haha read on in the same thread mate,and yes we have hit two hundred foxes in a season with dogs,as for fotos well who knows might put some up just for you sometime soon.just coz we never video like ye wrecking crew don't mean it didn't happen ok pal

[Simoman 110]

It can happen sam, pre-ban i know several lads were taking well over 100 foxes a season, plus other quarry every season and thats were the bull comes into its own imo.....

[NOG 48]

I can vouch for red collar who kindly invited me and a friend up for a night, invited urs in to his home made urs feel welcome, showed urs some pics back in the day of some of his old dogs with big bags of reds. Proper genuin dog man who gets out there and puts the graft infront of the dogs. Speak soon mate:thumbs:

[Red Collar 28]

I can vouch for red collar who kindly invited me and a friend up for a night, invited urs in to his home made urs feel welcome, showed urs some pics back in the day of some of his old dogs with big bags of reds. Proper genuin dog man who gets out there and puts the graft infront of the dogs. Speak soon mate:thumbs:

Arrr isn't he nice,thanks nog your welcome anytime lad,

[supersam 64]

It can happen sam, pre-ban i know several lads were taking well over 100 foxes a season, plus other quarry every season and thats were the bull comes into its own imo.....

cheers lad would like to see some of thee crosses.went out with a friend of mine this season.he had "top bull lines"

or so he said.in 8 weeks his dog took close to 30 fox he said.on the firt couple of nights his dog done well taking a couple of fox.on the 5th night out that it jacked!!(it wansnt 5 nights on the trot but in a 2 week period)

i cant see how a dog can keep taking punishment and keep going and going!

ps surely bullx, should be doing it single handed as my rabbit dogs does them doubled up!

[Simoman 110]

It can happen sam, pre-ban i know several lads were taking well over 100 foxes a season, plus other quarry every season and thats were the bull comes into its own imo.....

cheers lad would like to see some of thee crosses.went out with a friend of mine this season.he had "top bull lines"

or so he said.in 8 weeks his dog took close to 30 fox he said.on the firt couple of nights his dog done well taking a couple of fox.on the 5th night out that it jacked!!(it wansnt 5 nights on the trot but in a 2 week period)

i cant see how a dog can keep taking punishment and keep going and going!

ps surely bullx, should be doing it single handed as my rabbit dogs does them doubled up!

 

Thats just it sam, dogs do quit/spew/jack, not all bull crosses were/are where its still legal capable of big numbers REGULARLY BUT imo only bull crosses are/were capable of doing it on a regular basis, thats why the lads that are devoted to them love them. One lad i know had 17 in one night in 2002 i think iy was, with two dogs taking turns and 4 the following night with the same dogs. As with any cross, there are bull crosses and BULL CROSSES

[NOG 48]

I can vouch for red collar who kindly invited me and a friend up for a night, invited urs in to his home made urs feel welcome, showed urs some pics back in the day of some of his old dogs with big bags of reds. Proper genuin dog man who gets out there and puts the graft infront of the dogs. Speak soon mate:thumbs:

Arrr isn't he nice,thanks nog your welcome anytime lad,

 

 

Thats what its like on hete mate, never between two people everyone one else has to jump in, bunch of c**ts.

[supersam 64]

It can happen sam, pre-ban i know several lads were taking well over 100 foxes a season, plus other quarry every season and thats were the bull comes into its own imo.....

cheers lad would like to see some of thee crosses.went out with a friend of mine this season.he had "top bull lines"

or so he said.in 8 weeks his dog took close to 30 fox he said.on the firt couple of nights his dog done well taking a couple of fox.on the 5th night out that it jacked!!(it wansnt 5 nights on the trot but in a 2 week period)

i cant see how a dog can keep taking punishment and keep going and going!

ps surely bullx, should be doing it single handed as my rabbit dogs does them doubled up!

 

Thats just it sam, dogs do quit/spew/jack, not all bull crosses were/are where its still legal capable of big numbers REGULARLY BUT imo only bull crosses are/were capable of doing it on a regular basis, thats why the lads that are devoted to them love them. One lad i know had 17 in one night in 2002 i think iy was, with two dogs taking turns and 4 the following night with the same dogs. As with any cross, there are bull crosses and BULL CROSSES

hats off to them dogs simoman but as you said they will all jack at the end of the day.and dont give them time to heal properly.

they get both barrels at the end of it all.

over here alot do just fox with there lurchers and the ones i know of use alot of weathon or collie crosses to great success but they dont get to tackle anywhere near 17 fox a night!

getting a brace over here is good going!

even so dogs get a bit of stick,faces swell and they need to be rested.

i would really like to see a dog do 3-7 fox in a night 4 nights a week for the season single handed as it seems a bit to much for me.

 

some lads give there dogs too much

Edited March 1, 2011 by supersam

[Red Collar 28]

It can happen sam, pre-ban i know several lads were taking well over 100 foxes a season, plus other quarry every season and thats were the bull comes into its own imo.....

cheers lad would like to see some of thee crosses.went out with a friend of mine this season.he had "top bull lines"

or so he said.in 8 weeks his dog took close to 30 fox he said.on the firt couple of nights his dog done well taking a couple of fox.on the 5th night out that it jacked!!(it wansnt 5 nights on the trot but in a 2 week period)

i cant see how a dog can keep taking punishment and keep going and going!

ps surely bullx, should be doing it single handed as my rabbit dogs does them doubled up!

Yes mate a bullx should kill a fox singlehanded and I wouldn't own one wat can't if you want to catch numbers though ye best double them up,make it easier for the dogs,that's how you can keep taking them out night after night,now when we wer out we ran two dogs,but most nights dogs would be given a go on their own to see if they wer keen,young dogs are always tried on their own,got to show their capable of catching and killing first,I ran my bullx with every cross their is,some where better catchers but not many had the drive and focus and determination of the bullxes.jmo

[Red Collar 28]

It can happen sam, pre-ban i know several lads were taking well over 100 foxes a season, plus other quarry every season and thats were the bull comes into its own imo.....

cheers lad would like to see some of thee crosses.went out with a friend of mine this season.he had "top bull lines"

or so he said.in 8 weeks his dog took close to 30 fox he said.on the firt couple of nights his dog done well taking a couple of fox.on the 5th night out that it jacked!!(it wansnt 5 nights on the trot but in a 2 week period)

i cant see how a dog can keep taking punishment and keep going and going!

ps surely bullx, should be doing it single handed as my rabbit dogs does them doubled up!

 

Thats just it sam, dogs do quit/spew/jack, not all bull crosses were/are where its still legal capable of big numbers REGULARLY BUT imo only bull crosses are/were capable of doing it on a regular basis, thats why the lads that are devoted to them love them. One lad i know had 17 in one night in 2002 i think iy was, with two dogs taking turns and 4 the following night with the same dogs. As with any cross, there are bull crosses and BULL CROSSES

hats off to them dogs simoman but as you said they will all jack at the end of the day.and dont give them time to heal properly.

they get both barrels at the end of it all.

over here alot do just fox with there lurchers and the ones i know of use alot of weathon or collie crosses to great success but they dont get to tackle anywhere near 17 fox a night!

getting a brace over here is good going!

even so dogs get a bit of stick,faces swell and they need to be rested.

i would really like to see a dog do 3-7 fox in a night 4 nights a week for the season single handed as it seems a bit to much for me.

 

some lads give there dogs too much

:laugh:no ones got a dog capable of that mate,when your dogs catch plenty of fox they soon learn how to kill them quick without much damage to themselves,they get a knack for it,if your dogs injured bad it needs to heal yes but if it's just a few bites clean it up and carry on good dogs don't Jack mate only shit ones jmo

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

I love the disbelif as some struggle to imagine a dog capable of killin a bunch of foxes in a short time ffs

[showmespeed 36]

You guys are over the seas and no attack intended but the quality of the bull is in question. I am in the USA and I am a apbt man my whole life until I fell into these staghounds, lurchers or whatever cross it might be. I am seriously considering this breeding of cross but the quality of the bull blood used here in the issue. I have had good and bad in the bull blood and takes a certain style of dog to be cross bred. These guys wanting these over sized heads and attributes of aggression is not a representive of the bull blood like it should be. The reason the bull blood is still alive is because of heart, terriers are the biggest pains in the arsse ever! No doubt and I see this very easily in the two bloods I run and run them pure as can be, long lines of linebreeding to create perfection, I promise it is perfection. One line is intelligent, docile and extremly gamey heart for days and consistent. The other line is just full of brut stupid strength with low percentages of heart but when they are good animals they are good animals. I have used both to hunt, the first of the two performs with instinct and the second is just looking to kill anything that moves. When I go to breed bull into my stags or lurchers you can guess the one I will use. I can't imagine some of the problems I have read and can imagine with a cross of an inferior bull blood cross. It is the quality of the dog that really means more to these crosses. I give my word there is really smart quality blood out there just not seen that well and mean no offense to anyone, you guys blow us out of the water with your crosses, I am here to learn from you a 100% but the bull blood my country has it on lock, tons of idiots with a few sprinkles of true dogmen. I wish I could send my dogs to you guys working this cross right and send me some dogs back from the cross, now that would be a cross to brag on. These dogs are worth their weight in gold I have seen them hurt, tired and go back for more if it is to please their owner, we use to these dogs to hunt in packs on hogs and when the dogs are of sound mind and quality their heart can't be matched by any breed on earth. There is more to these dogs than mouth, that no quit attitude is what makes them special, the green horns are what make them inferior to the quality of adding mouth to the cross, heart is what I want and mouth follows it; it means to please their master they will get it and die doing it for you. I hope to one day perfect this cross as a line of consistent of dogs that have sight, physique, speed, wind, heart and most of all intelligence to out smart the game.

[Cold Ethyl 63]

Never wanted a bull cross didnt really like them to be honest till i rescued Flint then i changed my mind.Shes not big shes not offensive really but shes got the heart of a lion and the capacity to back it up.I then aqquired Storm of a very good friend and by feck has he taught me a few lessons in bull xs.Hes fine with other dogs providing they dont sqaure up to him or try to dominate him if they do that theyve had it.Hes not one for strangers doesnt bite just watches and stares unless they do something and infact pinned a friend of mine against the back gate at my mates house cos he walked in the dog had never met him and didnt realise he was meant to be there.Theyre both great round the kids and i take them to the school twice a day to drop off and collect my kids they live with cats pet rabbits and never a problem they do their job well and do what i ask of them loyal and very very affectionate indoors.They are definately not a novice dog though they can be downright stubborn and bloody minded But very eager to please they do try their luck sometimes storm gets his head in the dog food or the bin at every given chance and id love to know how he does it without being noticed cos hes nearly 40 kg not exactly a stealth type hound.They do need a real firm hand though cos hes had hold of a dog that attacked him and it wasnt pretty his party trick is to grab the dog and throw it so you have to be on the ball with him he wears strong stuff collar they both do cos anything else would be a waste of time with those two.Strong stuff i agree with what you did if a dog is that bad then i see no other option in all honesty theres enough nasty dangerous dogs walking around the place.I had this arguement with my neighbours bichon frise it bites for the sake of it always going for ankles and it went for my daughter and i explained she best keep it from doing that cos if she doesnt i will kill it myself it goes for my dogs too and one of these days its gonna go wrong for that little dog.The owners the problem there though cos she could reign it in on its flexi lead ffs

[tb25 4,627]

good interesting read this fellas

[Guest blitz]

Theres been some interesting topics posted of late concerning the bull x and them being brain dead crunching machine.Which i totaly disagree with .i myself have been involved in running dogs for past 20 years and believe me had my fair share of shite of every breed.but the last say 10 years have kept my own stuff which basically is bull lurcher with a variety of blood in the line including minshaw [the old stuff] and variety of top class track dogs.i agree with some comments about people going hell bent on having bull blood in there dogs nowadays but even with bulls there is a lot of shite breed .people just breeding any type bull with any greyhound etc and expecting a world beater.but is it not the same in all types of lurchers???take for instance saluki xes.i myself have seen some good dogs over the years but again seen some shite....all bullx owners don,t piss in the same pot.my own view on the bull cross is pre ban nothing could touch them lamping charlies 3 to 4 nights a week and catching and killing between 3to 7 a night [good winter foxes].and if the dog is doing that much work he will have it down to fine art and will not take much damage ,but even the best dogs take stick in all different breeds.

being the one that starting this thread by going by what you said 3-4 nights a week and 3 to 7 fox a night(would like to see pics) then on adverage 15-20 fox a week!! for an adverage of a 3 month season(good winter fox as you said) thats 2-300+ fox a season for a dog(as im guessing by your post your on about a single dog?)

i take it they didnt get any stick from all then fox and didnt have to be rested for healing

i would like to see some pics of such dogs.

it states between 3 to 7 foxes a night 3 to 4 nights aweek .and yes sometimes a dog does have a bad night but you can rest him and take the other out ,i don,t just own 1 dog mate .all dogs we ran were single handed dogs.all tried and tested.pics are,nt a problem.