BULL XES

[watchman 256]

bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced

 

 

 

 

i agree and i learnt the hard way although on another note to the old point of people chucking any old bull to a grey and expecting a level headed well bred dog, not always the case i know but plenty of times it is and yes iv taken the chance on a few over the years of unknown origin if you like but at the end of the day you should choose your bull x from proven lines as well you would for any other cross,EVEN MORE SO INFACT,jmo

i also learn,t by my mistakes ,got ahalf x years ago when i just started out and it was a nightmare it was well bred dog ,just it was me i was,nt experence enough 2 handler a dog of this calibar ,it just one thing on its mind at all time ,this did not have reverse gear did,nt have no brakes aswell lol nealy killed himself a few times out in the field ,so i give him back 2 the lad i got him off and he went 2 the lakes and he turned out 2 be good dog with experience handler ,and now a good few later i,ve ended up with same type of dog BUT i more exerpernce now and i,ve crack him he still got all the grit but i,m in control ,not like the last time ,

i know what your saying mate the thing is i stuck it out through thick and thin and never gave up although perhaps i should of many a time lol but yes had many a heart stopping moment with the fuckers when starting out,im in no need for an out and out killing machine never have been just a decent single handed dog doing fox was all i ever asked of mine nothing more all pre-ban obviously not even big numbers in a night just as and when i needed although out on a regular basis,have to leave it there the big boys will be along soon and the knowledgeable ones really do know their shit and graft their dogs in a way i never have if you know what i mean

[Born Hunter 17,775]

Ive seen a couple work on the lamp, and ill admit I used to be somewhat 'anti-bull' down to the stereotype associated with them. Im quite the oposite now, but what I will say is a good one is an impressive hound but a bad one is a bloody liability and best shot as soon as it becomes aparrant! There good and bad in all crosses but these dogs have power, ability and drive like few others and as such when it all goes tits up the consiquences are often much worse.

 

I think testing the temperament of these dogs is equally as important as testing the ability. I would feel more comfortable having a pup from bull lurchers kept around humans for most of the day as well as tested in the field (obviously) than a dog that a soley kept in the kennel and taken out to work, albeit 110% proven at its job.

Edited February 28, 2011 by Born Hunter

[busher 145]

Theres been some interesting topics posted of late concerning the bull x and them being brain dead crunching machine.Which i totaly disagree with .i myself have been involved in running dogs for past 20 years and believe me had my fair share of shite of every breed.but the last say 10 years have kept my own stuff which basically is bull lurcher with a variety of blood in the line including minshaw [the old stuff] and variety of top class track dogs.i agree with some comments about people going hell bent on having bull blood in there dogs nowadays but even with bulls there is a lot of shite breed .people just breeding any type bull with any greyhound etc and expecting a world beater.but is it not the same in all types of lurchers???take for instance saluki xes.i myself have seen some good dogs over the years but again seen some shite....all bullx owners don,t piss in the same pot.my own view on the bull cross is pre ban nothing could touch them lamping charlies 3 to 4 nights a week and catching and killing between 3to 7 a night [good winter foxes].and if the dog is doing that much work he will have it down to fine art and will not take much damage ,but even the best dogs take stick in all different breeds.

:thumbs: :thumbs:... something worth reading at last......

[KittleRox 2,147]

Some interesting stuff that hasn,t went txts up

[Born Hunter 17,775]

Some interesting stuff that hasn,t went txts up

 

Give it time, its a bull cross thread afterall

[fitchet 788]

just got myself a bull x pup and so far ha is the easist dog to keep ive had he cought hold of a pigeon the other day and ritrived without a mark on it.

[lamping lurchers 34]

some very honest replies on here lads well done for the honesty, ive hunted for 10 years of so with ferrets and guns, decided to get a dog after going out with the lads for a few years as you do carrying there game and so on, ill e the first to admit when i started looking for a dog a bull x was on the top of my list, but on the out look what was the point i had no need or work for this type of cross, i went with a beddy grey x deer grey and he can e a hand full at times very head strong if he aint killed for a couple of days, so if i were to of got a bull x it would of probs of been another dog passed on due to the lack of work and there high drive,

[Red Collar 28]

 

How many lurchers had you had before you decided on a bull x?

 

None!

 

How long had you been into hunting before you got him?

Used to go out with others on and off for 30 years, lamping, shooting etc.

Had you any experience with this x?

 

No, just the Bull type

 

It was probably down to you not the dog why it turned out like it did,and it was probably deffo your fault ye missus left you not the dogs haha bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced

 

I'd say it was probably 50/50, the combination of an extremely high drive dog, and me having made my stand at home to get him, I gave him the benefit of the doubt where I should have been ruthless when he first bit me, and he did bite hard!

 

 

 

I'm not inexperienced around dogs by any means, but this was no ordinary dog!

You don't fit the criteria mate,and you're right bullx are no ordinary dog,going hunting with people with bullx is no reason to get one yeself,my daughter has been hunting with them but she's never gonna be able to work one herself,you only learn by mistakes though mate, maybe next time you will know wat to expect,some people treat them like fishing rods,stick them in the shed,get them out weekends,stick them back in the shed, you can't do this with a bullx you need to keep on top of them before they get on top of you, they need to work regular then you have the perfect workmate,anyone thinking of getting one put as much as you can into it when it's really young ,socialise them as much as possible you only get wat you put into it as the saying goes

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Anything to do with bullx's is going to be a contestious issue due to the fact that they get bred willy-nilly(sad fact)and its also the type of people that own this breed(another sad fact).The latter must drive the "proper" bull x boys feckin crazy,I know it would me if I was one of them.I know theres bad dogs and even more bad owners but the bull x is really suffering at the moment where the other x's are not.......they have become a victim of their own success as a breed which is also a sad fact.

[lee 99]

well said johnny

[Boss-Hog 270]

i know someone who has had bullx s for 20 yrs and although they are stereotyped all they seem to want to do is please their owner ive seen em round terriers people inc my own kids its def how theyre brought up imo

[jimmy100 48]

Bull terriers in general are nice natured dogs and i sometimes wonder if the dogs some talk of being nasty are out of pure bull terriers or cross bred shite? My bull cross Bitch has easily been the easiest dog to train as someone else said they seem to know whats wanted of them! They are brilliant lurchers in reality there is nothing they wont try there heart out even the smallest task gets the maximum effort! But the things we love the most about them are what ruins them in the wrong hands they are to trusting/loyal for there own good and if the man they look up to as their master tells them to do something they will do it be it bark at strangers, attack other dogs, chase horses etc but with proper guidance the same dog would never do any of that and turn in to one of the best hunting partners you could ever wish for!

[3 Turns 326]

Bull terriers in general are nice natured dogs and i sometimes wonder if the dogs some talk of being nasty are out of pure bull terriers or cross bred shite? My bull cross Bitch has easily been the easiest dog to train as someone else said they seem to know whats wanted of them! They are brilliant lurchers in reality there is nothing they wont try there heart out even the smallest task gets the maximum effort! But the things we love the most about them are what ruins them in the wrong hands they are to trusting/loyal for there own good and if the man they look up to as their master tells them to do something they will do it be it bark at strangers, attack other dogs, chase horses etc but with proper guidance the same dog would never do any of that and turn in to one of the best hunting partners you could ever wish for!

[3 Turns 326]

Bull terriers in general are nice natured dogs and i sometimes wonder if the dogs some talk of being nasty are out of pure bull terriers or cross bred shite? My bull cross Bitch has easily been the easiest dog to train as someone else said they seem to know whats wanted of them! They are brilliant lurchers in reality there is nothing they wont try there heart out even the smallest task gets the maximum effort! But the things we love the most about them are what ruins them in the wrong hands they are to trusting/loyal for there own good and if the man they look up to as their master tells them to do something they will do it be it bark at strangers, attack other dogs, chase horses etc but with proper guidance the same dog would never do any of that and turn in to one of the best hunting partners you could ever wish for!

 

 

I AGREE MATE HAD A COUPLE BULL X OVER THE YRS AND ALONG WITH OTHER XS ALL MY DOGS END UP WITH THE SAME TEMPRAMENT.FAMILY FRIENDLY /STOCK .

OTHER STUFF WAE 4LEGS AND FUR WAS A DIFFERENT MATTER THOUGH .PREY DRIVE VERY EAGER TO PLEASE.

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

How many lurchers had you had before you decided on a bull x?

 

None!

 

How long had you been into hunting before you got him?

Used to go out with others on and off for 30 years, lamping, shooting etc.

Had you any experience with this x?

 

No, just the Bull type

 

It was probably down to you not the dog why it turned out like it did,and it was probably deffo your fault ye missus left you not the dogs haha bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced

 

I'd say it was probably 50/50, the combination of an extremely high drive dog, and me having made my stand at home to get him, I gave him the benefit of the doubt where I should have been ruthless when he first bit me, and he did bite hard!

 

 

 

I'm not inexperienced around dogs by any means, but this was no ordinary dog!

You don't fit the criteria mate,and you're right bullx are no ordinary dog,going hunting with people with bullx is no reason to get one yeself,my daughter has been hunting with them but she's never gonna be able to work one herself,you only learn by mistakes though mate, maybe next time you will know wat to expect,some people treat them like fishing rods,stick them in the shed,get them out weekends,stick them back in the shed, you can't do this with a bullx you need to keep on top of them before they get on top of you, they need to work regular then you have the perfect workmate,anyone thinking of getting one put as much as you can into it when it's really young ,socialise them as much as possible you only get wat you put into it as the saying goes

 

 

I don't know if that's meant to, but your reply does sound a bit patronising.

 

I wouldn't really compare my attitude, temperament, or physical size or behaviour to that of a female, I'm hard with my dogs, they know who is boss.

 

I bought the pup on impulse, and having made my bed, did my very best to lie in it, it wasn't exactly a popular decision with my now ex, but that made me all the more determined to keep him, the way I saw it is that I was 44 years old, put a lot into the family so if I wanted another dog then I was sure as fook having one.

The dog lived in the house, was impeccably well mannered around people and children, he was extremely well socialised.

 

A gentle giant ................. until the red mist came, and when it did, I would defy anyone to control him.

 

I didn't know at the time I bought him, but he turned out to be as well bred as any around, and maybe that was the problem, like I said too much dog for any normal person.

 

With hindsight, I shouldn't have got him at 5 months old, but I did. And it's no reflection on the bloke who had him before me.

 

It was his enormous prey drive, pure and simple, nothing would stop him, and that was his downfall, when he wanted to get out not much would stop him, maybe he needed to be outside in a run, but that's not how I keep my dogs.

 

Maybe it was because I moved out and he became the only dog that changed things, but he'd bitten me twice before that.

 

Maybe it was after his collapse and very very near death, once he couldn't run properly without wheezing and being knackered after a few minutes, that he couldn't settle as a "pet".

 

When he did work, he was awesome.

 

"Boss Hog", I've a feeling you may know the breeding behind this dog, and again it was no reflection on that which had gone before, in fact maybe in a controlled, multi dog environment he'd have excelled, well either that, or killed every fu.cking living thing in his sight ..............

 

"Jimmy 100", He was the real deal, no crossbred shite for sure.

 

There's no answers I don't think, I wish he'd never become my problem though, that's for certain!

Edited February 28, 2011 by Strong Stuff