Guest blitz Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Theres been some interesting topics posted of late concerning the bull x and them being brain dead crunching machine.Which i totaly disagree with .i myself have been involved in running dogs for past 20 years and believe me had my fair share of shite of every breed.but the last say 10 years have kept my own stuff which basically is bull lurcher with a variety of blood in the line including minshaw [the old stuff] and variety of top class track dogs.i agree with some comments about people going hell bent on having bull blood in there dogs nowadays but even with bulls there is a lot of shite breed .people just breeding any type bull with any greyhound etc and expecting a world beater.but is it not the same in all types of lurchers???take for instance saluki xes.i myself have seen some good dogs over the years but again seen some shite....all bullx owners don,t piss in the same pot.my own view on the bull cross is pre ban nothing could touch them lamping charlies 3 to 4 nights a week and catching and killing between 3to 7 a night [good winter foxes].and if the dog is doing that much work he will have it down to fine art and will not take much damage ,but even the best dogs take stick in all different breeds. 6 Quote Link to post
willow 53 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 true words Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yeah, I totally agree with your comments mate... Ive got (and had) different crosses, and bull cross of the right sort are great vermin killers on all land. A good one will be hard to beat with most other sorts of running dog. There are always those who slate them, saying things like they are untrustworthy around stock and other dogs, they cant run, have no wind/stamina, and like you mentioned brain dead. but as you know yourself, its all down to obtaining the well bred stock (seeing is believing and all that), the good ones are good, and some lines and strains are producing excellent lurchers with very few that fail to make the grade. My own experiences with half bred type is they are so much keener than other types, they give everything they posess to ensure a kill, no matter how difficult a slip may be on the lamp or whatever, you just know that they will do their best every time they run. I brought mine up on the farm, so stock is not an issue, 100% steady, and great with other dogs and kids etc.. can be headstrong, but I like that, as they are only trying to find and catch stuff, which is usually more of an advantage to me as i can let mine away to hunt through large woods etc as I skirt the outside with another dog or 2. Im going to keep my own line from now on, as ive got all the building blocks for it, and I can trust in what im producing. DnN 3 Quote Link to post
lukeh 27 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 i think a touch of bull in any running dog givves it the extra bit of heart just my opinion .. 1 Quote Link to post
fidodido 30 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 bull xs are far from braindead and ive seen more than enough retreive rabbits live to hand and seem to know when they need to use there jaws sometime they can need to be ruled with a bit of hard discipline at times but that depends on individual temprement mine have never been broken to stock yet know that i dont want them to attack them when were out with the terriers and will let sheep and other stock round them they just know whats required from them and there not to be killed . its just a case of spending time with em and they tune into there owners some bull xs are owned by idiots and they will get a bad name for the cross but hopefully they are a minority the bull x is a very use full and intelligent tool that gets the job done minimum of fuss a true hunting machine if bred from the right lines and in the right hands Quote Link to post
jf1970 328 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Theres been some interesting topics posted of late concerning the bull x and them being brain dead crunching machine.Which i totaly disagree with .i myself have been involved in running dogs for past 20 years and believe me had my fair share of shite of every breed.but the last say 10 years have kept my own stuff which basically is bull lurcher with a variety of blood in the line including minshaw [the old stuff] and variety of top class track dogs.i agree with some comments about people going hell bent on having bull blood in there dogs nowadays but even with bulls there is a lot of shite breed .people just breeding any type bull with any greyhound etc and expecting a world beater.but is it not the same in all types of lurchers???take for instance saluki xes.i myself have seen some good dogs over the years but again seen some shite....all bullx owners don,t piss in the same pot.my own view on the bull cross is pre ban nothing could touch them lamping charlies 3 to 4 nights a week and catching and killing between 3to 7 a night [good winter foxes].and if the dog is doing that much work he will have it down to fine art and will not take much damage ,but even the best dogs take stick in all different breeds. And your point is? Quote Link to post
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I've only had 1 ............. And he was a f.ucking nightmare! To be fair he was far too much dog for a normal person, and a big mistake on my part was buying him not knowing what he was (I knew he was a Bull X obviously) He attacked and bit me 3 times (all 3 times when out walking and he decided he wanted to try and kill other dogs) The first time was at 6 moths old, maybe I should have dealt with him then. Everything was on the menu for him, sheep, horses, cows, terriers, and yes I have had dogs around me all my life and did try to break him to stock. When he was in the house he was a pleasure to be with, an big soft dope, but as soon as he went out he switched on and that was that, a maniac and a liability. I'll never have another, my nerves couldn't cope! I'd be the first to admit that I made a mistake getting what turned out to be a "fast lane" dog, simply too much dog for general mooching, he needed to be out killing stuff all the time, and to be dead honest I wasn't prepared to risk my liberty taking him! Dog is no longer, I could have passed him on, but he was already no good for serious work after he'd collapsed one night last year, I know now that I should have let him go then, but instead I spent £1300 getting him back .............. That dog cost me a relationship, a home and an awful lot more. We live and learn. RIP Spike 1 Quote Link to post
watchman 256 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I've only had 1 ............. And he was a f.ucking nightmare! To be fair he was far too much dog for a normal person, and a big mistake on my part was buying him not knowing what he was (I knew he was a Bull X obviously) He attacked and bit me 3 times (all 3 times when out walking and he decided he wanted to try and kill other dogs) The first time was at 6 moths old, maybe I should have dealt with him then. Everything was on the menu for him, sheep, horses, cows, terriers, and yes I have had dogs around me all my life and did try to break him to stock. When he was in the house he was a pleasure to be with, an big soft dope, but as soon as he went out he switched on and that was that, a maniac and a liability. I'll never have another, my nerves couldn't cope! I'd be the first to admit that I made a mistake getting what turned out to be a "fast lane" dog, simply too much dog for general mooching, he needed to be out killing stuff all the time, and to be dead honest I wasn't prepared to risk my liberty taking him! Dog is no longer, I could have passed him on, but he was already no good for serious work after he'd collapsed one night last year, I know now that I should have let him go then, but instead I spent £1300 getting him back .............. That dog cost me a relationship, a home and an awful lot more. We live and learn. RIP Spike at least your honest mate the trouble is a lot of inexperianced people want all the attributes(well if you can call them that,i would not) you have listed in their dog thinking it is the making of a good bullx probably because their mates one is also exactly like that where infact this is quite the opposite,yet i bet there hundreds just like yours all over the country that would be better off in the ground than on the end of a dickheads slip with the look at my bull x attitude certainly doesnt help as it generally just tarnishes what can be an excellent dog in the right hands. think iv probably been lucky over the years only had one that was a problem,would fight any dog for the shear f**k of it,long time buried now 1 Quote Link to post
Red Collar 28 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I've only had 1 ............. And he was a f.ucking nightmare! To be fair he was far too much dog for a normal person, and a big mistake on my part was buying him not knowing what he was (I knew he was a Bull X obviously) He attacked and bit me 3 times (all 3 times when out walking and he decided he wanted to try and kill other dogs) The first time was at 6 moths old, maybe I should have dealt with him then. Everything was on the menu for him, sheep, horses, cows, terriers, and yes I have had dogs around me all my life and did try to break him to stock. When he was in the house he was a pleasure to be with, an big soft dope, but as soon as he went out he switched on and that was that, a maniac and a liability. I'll never have another, my nerves couldn't cope! I'd be the first to admit that I made a mistake getting what turned out to be a "fast lane" dog, simply too much dog for general mooching, he needed to be out killing stuff all the time, and to be dead honest I wasn't prepared to risk my liberty taking him! Dog is no longer, I could have passed him on, but he was already no good for serious work after he'd collapsed one night last year, I know now that I should have let him go then, but instead I spent £1300 getting him back .............. That dog cost me a relationship, a home and an awful lot more. We live and learn. RIP Spike How many lurchers had you had before you decided on a bull x? How long had you been into hunting before you got him? Had you any experience with this x? It was probably down to you not the dog why it turned out like it did,and it was probably deffo your fault ye missus left you not the dogs haha bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced Quote Link to post
watchman 256 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced i agree and i learnt the hard way although on another note to the old point of people chucking any old bull to a grey and expecting a level headed well bred dog, not always the case i know but plenty of times it is and yes iv taken the chance on a few over the years of unknown origin if you like but at the end of the day you should choose your bull x from proven lines as well you would for any other cross,EVEN MORE SO INFACT,bit of advice i should have taken on board myself a few times Quote Link to post
3 Turns 326 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 GOOD THRED BOYS. GOT A S/B/G.MYSELF HE KNOWS WHEN TO BITE HARD AND BE SOFT MOUTHED. HES KEEN AS MUSTARD AND IS STILL LEARNING. HOPE HE DOSENT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE Quote Link to post
fidodido 30 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I've only had 1 ............. And he was a f.ucking nightmare! To be fair he was far too much dog for a normal person, and a big mistake on my part was buying him not knowing what he was (I knew he was a Bull X obviously) He attacked and bit me 3 times (all 3 times when out walking and he decided he wanted to try and kill other dogs) The first time was at 6 moths old, maybe I should have dealt with him then. Everything was on the menu for him, sheep, horses, cows, terriers, and yes I have had dogs around me all my life and did try to break him to stock. When he was in the house he was a pleasure to be with, an big soft dope, but as soon as he went out he switched on and that was that, a maniac and a liability. I'll never have another, my nerves couldn't cope! I'd be the first to admit that I made a mistake getting what turned out to be a "fast lane" dog, simply too much dog for general mooching, he needed to be out killing stuff all the time, and to be dead honest I wasn't prepared to risk my liberty taking him! Dog is no longer, I could have passed him on, but he was already no good for serious work after he'd collapsed one night last year, I know now that I should have let him go then, but instead I spent £1300 getting him back .............. That dog cost me a relationship, a home and an awful lot more. We live and learn. RIP Spike How many lurchers had you had before you decided on a bull x? How long had you been into hunting before you got him? Had you any experience with this x? It was probably down to you not the dog why it turned out like it did,and it was probably deffo your fault ye missus left you not the dogs haha bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced totally agree like its been said before there not for the faint hearted and sorry but some bull xs have to be ruled with an iron fist like red collar said the fault is with the owner sorry strong stuff your a top boy but obviously not cut out to be a bull cross man and it takes a certain type of man and i say man cause women could barely handle the strong will of a really head strong bull x and to handle that type takes a lot of time patience and plenty of hard graft for the dog pushing it to the limit my kind of dog and ive owned a few of this type beleive me lol Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 As with any other breed introduced into the melting pot the quality and temperament of the bull is of paramount importance, there are a lot of crap bull lurchers out there as any bull available is thrown into the mix expecting it to be good because its a "bull cross" I've got an old boy here who is without doubt the easiest dog of any breed or cross i have owned, he was a good working dog, but bombproof around any dogs, livestock and loves kids. Some are far from laid back and require experience, a firm hand and keeping on top of...... P.S. strong stuff, i somehow feel responsible for your purchase and a tad guilty Quote Link to post
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 How many lurchers had you had before you decided on a bull x? None! How long had you been into hunting before you got him? Used to go out with others on and off for 30 years, lamping, shooting etc. Had you any experience with this x? No, just the Bull type It was probably down to you not the dog why it turned out like it did,and it was probably deffo your fault ye missus left you not the dogs haha bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced I'd say it was probably 50/50, the combination of an extremely high drive dog, and me having made my stand at home to get him, I gave him the benefit of the doubt where I should have been ruthless when he first bit me, and he did bite hard! I'm not inexperienced around dogs by any means, but this was no ordinary dog! Quote Link to post
rocky1 942 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) bullx lurchers are not for the inexperienced i agree and i learnt the hard way although on another note to the old point of people chucking any old bull to a grey and expecting a level headed well bred dog, not always the case i know but plenty of times it is and yes iv taken the chance on a few over the years of unknown origin if you like but at the end of the day you should choose your bull x from proven lines as well you would for any other cross,EVEN MORE SO INFACT,jmo i also learn,t by my mistakes ,got ahalf x years ago when i just started out and it was a nightmare it was well bred dog ,just it was me i was,nt experence enough 2 handler a dog of this calibar ,it just one thing on its mind at all time ,this did not have reverse gear did,nt have no brakes aswell lol nealy killed himself a few times out in the field ,so i give him back 2 the lad i got him off ,not before i tried everything i could at the time and he went 2 the lakes and he turned out 2 be good dog with experience handler ,and now a good few years later i,ve ended up with same type of dog BUT i more exerpernce now and i,ve crack him he still got all the grit but i,m in control ,not like the last time , Edited February 28, 2011 by rocky1 1 Quote Link to post
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