baw 4,360 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Top picking up dogs and not trailing dogs(theres a difference) would make a full of any lurcher on finding game in dense cover.... How come Lab? What is so difficult about finding dead game? My dog can smell a deer 1/2 a mile away, nose in the air.... I agree what Malt says, it would be hard to teach a lurcher not to catch but flush, but dead game finding, don't see a big difference mate. Share your knowledge and explain please if you can and don't mind. Its not the dead game thats the problem its the runners that are. Now if you can teach your lurcher to go out maybe 2/3 hundred yards then it can use its nose then i'd like to see it. Then i'd like to see it go the same distance back in a wood and return with a bird with a broken wing. Then i'd like to see it swim out and retrieve birds of water with hand signals..... Doing all this with a soft mouth as well. Look i'm not so stupid to say that it cant be done but it would be very difficult, but to say it would be up there with the top gundogs would be ludicrus. I think the problem is there are so many shite gundogs out there that some think this might be the standard.........they are far from it.. Oh and you cant go chasing anything else that pops up infornt of the dog too.... No probs mate, explained it well. i'd just like to say, maybe if you were as good at your job as the dog is at his, there wouldn't be any birds with broken wings Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Top picking up dogs and not trailing dogs(theres a difference) would make a full of any lurcher on finding game in dense cover.... How come Lab? What is so difficult about finding dead game? My dog can smell a deer 1/2 a mile away, nose in the air.... I agree what Malt says, it would be hard to teach a lurcher not to catch but flush, but dead game finding, don't see a big difference mate. Share your knowledge and explain please if you can and don't mind. Its not the dead game thats the problem its the runners that are. Now if you can teach your lurcher to go out maybe 2/3 hundred yards then it can use its nose then i'd like to see it. Then i'd like to see it go the same distance back in a wood and return with a bird with a broken wing. Then i'd like to see it swim out and retrieve birds of water with hand signals..... Doing all this with a soft mouth as well. Look i'm not so stupid to say that it cant be done but it would be very difficult, but to say it would be up there with the top gundogs would be ludicrus. I think the problem is there are so many shite gundogs out there that some think this might be the standard.........they are far from it.. Oh and you cant go chasing anything else that pops up infornt of the dog too.... No probs mate, explained it well. i'd just like to say, maybe if you were as good at your job as the dog is at his, there wouldn't be any birds with broken wings Oh i dont shoot mate.....its they toffy nosed tweed wearing range rover driving fat b*****ds that do the missing...... Quote Link to post
mackay 3,364 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I agree with Labtastic, no lurcher can IMO be as good as a specialist bred gundog in the command/retrieving type of FT thang..., not a good one anyway, though im sure the best lurchers would be better than the worst gun dogs. ...Just going off on a tangent, has any good gundog trainer been seen with a good lurcher.? I wouldn't tag myself as a good gundog trainer as i am learning myself. Luckily i have a very good dog in the kennel which must be 75% in the dog and i've added my 25% too training. I would love to have a running dog and i'm sure 1 day i will, i would like to think i could install some training into it and be very interested to see the outcome............ Get a well bred collie x, you might get a pleasant surprise. Quote Link to post
hickymick 37 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I agree with Labtastic, no lurcher can IMO be as good as a specialist bred gundog in the command/retrieving type of FT thang..., not a good one anyway, though im sure the best lurchers would be better than the worst gun dogs. ...Just going off on a tangent, has any good gundog trainer been seen with a good lurcher.? I wouldn't tag myself as a good gundog trainer as i am learning myself. Luckily i have a very good dog in the kennel which must be 75% in the dog and i've added my 25% too training. I would love to have a running dog and i'm sure 1 day i will, i would like to think i could install some training into it and be very interested to see the outcome............ Get a well bred collie x, you might get a pleasant surprise. Not really the cross i was thinking but i'm sure a little bit of collie would be nice............ Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... Quote Link to post
jacksbignose 8 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: Shhh don't tell my local shoot but my favourite day for a mooch on my permission is the day after a shoot... just being humane if my lurcher finds the odd pricked bird! Quote Link to post
mackay 3,364 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... A more versatile athletis animal perhaps, now if I had a pound for every time I seen labs etc have gates opened for them or be lifted over a fence I'd be a rich man for sure. Quote Link to post
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... Because they can chase the birds faster...duh! I havent read this thread, I don't think I could bare it. FTB Quote Link to post
hickymick 37 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... you thinking it hasnt all ready been done,lab hybrid vigor springs to mind,but you would lose your pedigree cash,for a better dog Quote Link to post
hickymick 37 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: Shhh don't tell my local shoot but my favourite day for a mooch on my permission is the day after a shoot... just being humane if my lurcher finds the odd pricked bird! is that possible with all these super gundogs about,,,just a thought i would never take the masters birds me Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... A more versatile athletis animal perhaps, now if I had a pound for every time I seen labs etc have gates opened for them or be lifted over a fence I'd be a rich man for sure. back to these shit dogs that you have seen again mate.....6 bar gate no problem here.... Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... you thinking it hasnt all ready been done,lab hybrid vigor springs to mind,but you would lose your pedigree cash,for a better dog No papers here mate..............working dogs not show ponies.. Quote Link to post
mackay 3,364 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... A more versatile athletis animal perhaps, now if I had a pound for every time I seen labs etc have gates opened for them or be lifted over a fence I'd be a rich man for sure. back to these shit dogs that you have seen again mate.....6 bar gate no problem here.... But stop and think , the question is basically about lurchers versus gundogs (simplified I know) your comparing them to your labs, might anyone else be (me) comparing their lurchers to the labs they've seen. Answer honestly how many shite labs incapable of jumping a fence, ruining a drive, leaving birds fit for bugger all but ferret food have you seen?. Now tell me a well bred, well reared lurcher couldn't compete with them. Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: What would be the advantage of putting greyhound into a gundog?........... A more versatile athletis animal perhaps, now if I had a pound for every time I seen labs etc have gates opened for them or be lifted over a fence I'd be a rich man for sure. back to these shit dogs that you have seen again mate.....6 bar gate no problem here.... But stop and think , the question is basically about lurchers versus gundogs (simplified I know) your comparing them to your labs, might anyone else be (me) comparing their lurchers to the labs they've seen. Answer honestly how many shite labs incapable of jumping a fence, ruining a drive, leaving birds fit for bugger all but ferret food have you seen?. Now tell me a well bred, well reared lurcher couldn't compete with them. 110% they could, never said they couldn't. I've seen plenty that are an embarressment, but you could say that about some running dogs, jackers i think there called.... I'm talking about top gundogs bred for purpose.... Quote Link to post
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