could the lurcher

[DottyDoo 500]

had afew lurcher in the fetching department would be up with the best and done it in public ,fetch stop to wistle work to hand signal ,but that was not his job traine dhim to be a good allround dog fetched in water and fetched to hand signals out in left [bANNED TEXT] would i do it again nope but he was up with the best of them held rabbits to the wistle alive dropped to wistle same dog would catch all sorts but alot of work for what nothing in the end

Up there with the best what, Gundogs?............

 

I'd join in but I'm running out of line lol

line or time..........

 

funny old place.... you can flash your wifes tits, you can arrange fights, you can slag bull crosses, small fields, trainer wearing hunters, practically anything but for the love of god, don't slag a saluki!!!

Ironic that cause there f*****g shite!!!!!!!

whats the betting some sad c**t will bite

 

 

 

but will they retreive

[jacksbignose 8]

but will they retreive

 

Aye... if you can run 2.5 miles before the dog drops it!

 

Just joshin.

[mackay 3,364]

So when we say lurchers we are lumping all running dogs together, lets narrow it down to say a first x collie/greyhound. I had one who knew when she was out lurchering so to speak and was well trained and bright enough to know when out shooting/beating. She as good as any gundog I met and was a country mile in front of most. It is possible but to be honest well beyond the needs or dare I say it capabilities of most lurchermen.

Only 4 pages before it arrived....."good as any gundog i met and was a country mile in front of the rest".........allow me to tell you the shoot you went to was full of pat-lickers then.....

Yes lurchers can do a decent enough job retrieving game but proper picking up isn't just dolly droppers in an open field. Run them thats what there for and leave the real work to the gundogs.......

 

 

I suppose with your user name the likliehood of nudging your nose out of joint was a fore going conclusion.

I'll elaborate slightly, I don't think every greyhound blooded dog would better a gundog breed, most wouldn't, but a dog with a strong baseline IE collie is capable of doing what a gundog does as well as or better, in point of fact it may not be fashionable but I think a border collie would be a better prospect than the majority of gundogs i've encountered.

I will concede though, having owned a mere five lurchers in my life (three being collie blooded) the bitch I'm referring to was better. The other two ( a mere 25% collie) were capable of holding their own with gundog breeds, most lurchers however couldn't partly due to the way they are bred, the fact most lurcher owners wouldn't want them to and lastly said lurcher owners are incapable of training the dog to the task.

[J Darcy 5,871]

Some strong views.....Keep 'em coming lads.....

[J Darcy 5,871]

Coo, coo, I just want you......

[Lab 10,979]

So when we say lurchers we are lumping all running dogs together, lets narrow it down to say a first x collie/greyhound. I had one who knew when she was out lurchering so to speak and was well trained and bright enough to know when out shooting/beating. She as good as any gundog I met and was a country mile in front of most. It is possible but to be honest well beyond the needs or dare I say it capabilities of most lurchermen.

Only 4 pages before it arrived....."good as any gundog i met and was a country mile in front of the rest".........allow me to tell you the shoot you went to was full of pat-lickers then.....

Yes lurchers can do a decent enough job retrieving game but proper picking up isn't just dolly droppers in an open field. Run them thats what there for and leave the real work to the gundogs.......

 

 

I suppose with your user name the likliehood of nudging your nose out of joint was a fore going conclusion.

I'll elaborate slightly, I don't think every greyhound blooded dog would better a gundog breed, most wouldn't, but a dog with a strong baseline IE collie is capable of doing what a gundog does as well as or better, in point of fact it may not be fashionable but I think a border collie would be a better prospect than the majority of gundogs i've encountered.

I will concede though, having owned a mere five lurchers in my life (three being collie blooded) the bitch I'm referring to was better. The other two ( a mere 25% collie) were capable of holding their own with gundog breeds, most lurchers however couldn't partly due to the way they are bred, the fact most lurcher owners wouldn't want them to and lastly said lurcher owners are incapable of training the dog to the task.

Disagree again but i dont see us agreeing on this 1 so here goes............A collie although 1 of the most intelligent dog breeds would not do a better job than a lab which is born and bred for the job. Thats why you dont see anybody using them.

Any dog trained to a decent standard could probably hold there own with standard gundogs and i think they are the dogs that you have been talking about. Top picking up dogs and not trailing dogs(theres a difference) would make a full of any lurcher on finding game in dense cover....

[Malt 379]

So when we say lurchers we are lumping all running dogs together, lets narrow it down to say a first x collie/greyhound. I had one who knew when she was out lurchering so to speak and was well trained and bright enough to know when out shooting/beating. She as good as any gundog I met and was a country mile in front of most. It is possible but to be honest well beyond the needs or dare I say it capabilities of most lurchermen.

Only 4 pages before it arrived....."good as any gundog i met and was a country mile in front of the rest".........allow me to tell you the shoot you went to was full of pat-lickers then.....

Yes lurchers can do a decent enough job retrieving game but proper picking up isn't just dolly droppers in an open field. Run them thats what there for and leave the real work to the gundogs.......

 

 

I suppose with your user name the likliehood of nudging your nose out of joint was a fore going conclusion.

I'll elaborate slightly, I don't think every greyhound blooded dog would better a gundog breed, most wouldn't, but a dog with a strong baseline IE collie is capable of doing what a gundog does as well as or better, in point of fact it may not be fashionable but I think a border collie would be a better prospect than the majority of gundogs i've encountered.

I will concede though, having owned a mere five lurchers in my life (three being collie blooded) the bitch I'm referring to was better. The other two ( a mere 25% collie) were capable of holding their own with gundog breeds, most lurchers however couldn't partly due to the way they are bred, the fact most lurcher owners wouldn't want them to and lastly said lurcher owners are incapable of training the dog to the task.

 

As intelligent as a collie is, it doesn't have the same traits that a specialist bred gun dog possesses, no matter how well it's trained. There's much more to a working dog than what a human can train it to do. How often do we hear on here about the need for breeding from proven, working stock? Up until the advent of organisations like the kennel club, form followed function. The gun dog breeds we see today are the result of a few hundred years of specialised breeding. IE: they have been bred specifically for the traits that were most needed for the job the dog was needed for.

 

I've always read that most breeds of dog can be trained to a degree where they can do an approximation of another breeds job, but they will not master it in the same way a good example of the latter breed would, or pick it up as quickly.

 

Think about it this way: If there was some all round dog which could master all the disciplines of fieldwork to a high degree, how come we've ended up with a multitude of specialised breeds when one could suffice?

[mackay 3,364]

Labtastic, we will agree to disagree mate, on the subject of finding game (dead or alive) I never seen said bitch bettered and I can say that with all honesty.

[Lab 10,979]

Labtastic, we will agree to disagree mate, on the subject of finding game (dead or alive) I never seen said bitch bettered and I can say that with all honesty.

Fair enough.....

[baw 4,360]

Top picking up dogs and not trailing dogs(theres a difference) would make a full of any lurcher on finding game in dense cover....

 

How come Lab? What is so difficult about finding dead game? My dog can smell a deer 1/2 a mile away, nose in the air.... I agree what Malt says, it would be hard to teach a lurcher not to catch but flush, but dead game finding, don't see a big difference mate. Share your knowledge and explain please if you can and don't mind.

[J Darcy 5,871]

I agree with Labtastic, no lurcher can IMO be as good as a specialist bred gundog in the command/retrieving type of FT thang..., not a good one anyway, though im sure the best lurchers would be better than the worst gun dogs. ...Just going off on a tangent, has any good gundog trainer been seen with a good lurcher.?

[Lab 10,979]

Top picking up dogs and not trailing dogs(theres a difference) would make a full of any lurcher on finding game in dense cover....

 

How come Lab? What is so difficult about finding dead game? My dog can smell a deer 1/2 a mile away, nose in the air.... I agree what Malt says, it would be hard to teach a lurcher not to catch but flush, but dead game finding, don't see a big difference mate. Share your knowledge and explain please if you can and don't mind.

Its not the dead game thats the problem its the runners that are. Now if you can teach your lurcher to go out maybe 2/3 hundred yards then it can use its nose then i'd like to see it. Then i'd like to see it go the same distance back in a wood and return with a bird with a broken wing. Then i'd like to see it swim out and retrieve birds of water with hand signals..... Doing all this with a soft mouth as well.

Look i'm not so stupid to say that it cant be done but it would be very difficult, but to say it would be up there with the top gundogs would be ludicrus. I think the problem is there are so many shite gundogs out there that some think this might be the standard.........they are far from it..

Oh and you cant go chasing anything else that pops up infornt of the dog too....

[mackay 3,364]

On an added note most people reading this when thinking gundogs are visualising the old tried and tested breeds IE, lab, cocker, springer etc, lets throw it open a bit wider, weimaraners, vislas, clumbers,gordon setters irish setters and now tell me a well bred, well reared lurcher trained by a knowledgable owner isn't capable of holding it's own. If we are to consider all types/breeds of lurcher then it's only fair to compare them to all types of gundog.

[Lab 10,979]

I agree with Labtastic, no lurcher can IMO be as good as a specialist bred gundog in the command/retrieving type of FT thang..., not a good one anyway, though im sure the best lurchers would be better than the worst gun dogs. ...Just going off on a tangent, has any good gundog trainer been seen with a good lurcher.?

I wouldn't tag myself as a good gundog trainer as i am learning myself. Luckily i have a very good dog in the kennel which must be 75% in the dog and i've added my 25% too training. I would love to have a running dog and i'm sure 1 day i will, i would like to think i could install some training into it and be very interested to see the outcome............

[poacher3161 1,766]

So when we say lurchers we are lumping all running dogs together, lets narrow it down to say a first x collie/greyhound. I had one who knew when she was out lurchering so to speak and was well trained and bright enough to know when out shooting/beating. She as good as any gundog I met and was a country mile in front of most. It is possible but to be honest well beyond the needs or dare I say it capabilities of most lurchermen.

Only 4 pages before it arrived....."good as any gundog i met and was a country mile in front of the rest".........allow me to tell you the shoot you went to was full of pat-lickers then.....

Yes lurchers can do a decent enough job retrieving game but proper picking up isn't just dolly droppers in an open field. Run them thats what there for and leave the real work to the gundogs.......

 

 

I suppose with your user name the likliehood of nudging your nose out of joint was a fore going conclusion.

I'll elaborate slightly, I don't think every greyhound blooded dog would better a gundog breed, most wouldn't, but a dog with a strong baseline IE collie is capable of doing what a gundog does as well as or better, in point of fact it may not be fashionable but I think a border collie would be a better prospect than the majority of gundogs i've encountered.

I will concede though, having owned a mere five lurchers in my life (three being collie blooded) the bitch I'm referring to was better. The other two ( a mere 25% collie) were capable of holding their own with gundog breeds, most lurchers however couldn't partly due to the way they are bred, the fact most lurcher owners wouldn't want them to and lastly said lurcher owners are incapable of training the dog to the task.

Sorry i carnt agree that a collie would be a better prospect than a good line of well bred gundog wether it be labs or spaniels.