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[nellie123 4]

Hi a quick question, talking to a few lads earlier and we were wondering if you bought an air rifle that's above the legal limit[unknowingly] through being tampered with ,can you take it to a shop to get it returned to the lecgal limit

 

thanks nellie

[benji benji 60]

no they take them of you

[johnboy19 38]

If you go to a shop and they find out its over the limit, they are legally not allowed to let you wall back oit the shop with it. But i think they can send it away to get it fixed for you but you foot the bill for it

[pianoman 3,587]

I'm pretty sure that if you talk reasonably to your gunsmith first and arrange with him to take the unlicensed rifle to his premises for returning to legal limits, he would do it without getting his knickers in a twist and confiscating the rifle for the police.

 

If however, he says that's what he'll do if you approach him, he's a bloody waste of business and not to be bothered with in future.

 

Common sense and reason or pedantic application of the law.

 

Years ago, before I had an FAC, I had an Original 45 .22 air rifle confiscated by an RFD who used the law to confiscate my rifle, despite the fact that I approached him reasonably to return the rifle to legal limits. Cue years later and he turns up with the shooting syndicate that shoots on my brother's farmland looking for permission...

 

Permission denied. He was instructed never to approach us for shooting permission ever again. And my friend Ian whose land I shoot over, denied him permission too.

 

Simon

Edited February 24, 2011 by pianoman

[zini 1,939]

Rightly so too Simon buddy.

 

Screw him, if he wants to be a idiot he should remember that what goes around comes around sometimes.

 

Let him look for permission somewhere else.

 

Si

[Marksman 934]

That's karma for you

 

On the power thing though it depends where you bought it from.... If it was from a dealer then they have a legal responsibility to make sure the rifle is within the limit before sale

 

Darryl

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Simon surely that is theft, you had returned it to him to modify it, you had asked him beforehand and he had agreed to do the work, knowing it was overpowered and all you were seeking to return it to a legal limit, therefore you had an agreement to return the gun to a legal status, which is not illegal. Even the police would agree it was theft and you would have been able to get the idiot arrested, which I believe could have well knackered his FAC, after all he was using it to commit theft!

[rossy08 33]

Simon surely that is theft, you had returned it to him to modify it, you had asked him beforehand and he had agreed to do the work, knowing it was overpowered and all you were seeking to return it to a legal limit, therefore you had an agreement to return the gun to a legal status, which is not illegal. Even the police would agree it was theft and you would have been able to get the idiot arrested, which I believe could have well knackered his FAC, after all he was using it to commit theft!

 

i think you mean his RFD licence not his FAC mate

 

Andy

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Could have knackered both, they do have a thing about criminals having a firearms certificate! That could have been suspended for a few months as well as his RFD loss! After all it was theft of a firearm!

Edited February 25, 2011 by secretagentmole

[rossy08 33]

could have well knackered his FAC, after all he was using it to commit theft!

 

 

its this bit i was refering to mate.

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Surely matey dealer has to have an FAC as well as his RFD?

[matt_hooks 188]

Surely matey dealer has to have an FAC as well as his RFD?

 

Strangely no. There is no requirement to hold an FAC to hold an RFD. You can get development RFD certs which allow you to carry and fire the rifles too (most gunsmiths have these to allow for testing) but a normal RFD certificate doesn't allow the use of the weapons, only possession for the purpose of business.

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Good grief, well live and learn, but I do not think I would ever take my guns to a gunsmith or dealer who did not have an FAC!

[Buster321c 1,010]

Good grief, well live and learn, but I do not think I would ever take my guns to a gunsmith or dealer who did not have an FAC!

 

 

What a stupid thing to say ! I have a very good mechanic friend who does`nt drive , is that the same ?

[secretagentmole 1,701]

yes, because when he fixes your car and cannot test the blasted thing who are you going to blame when the darned brakes don't work or the steering fails as it was not tested under road conditions? I believe that an excellent gunsmith should hold an FAC and enjoy the sport as well, because that way I know he enjoys what he is doing!

 

The same way I would not trust a mechanic who cannot drive to fix a car or my motorbikes! If they cannot test it properly I would not trust them to fix it at all! But it is the person who is paying for it at the end of the day, I would just rather my gun was fixed by someone who could fire it, especially if it required a Firearm Certificate!

Edited February 25, 2011 by secretagentmole