years of good hare dogs being f****d by people puting silly bull blood not gonna be any real hare dogs in years 2 come

[snap 15]

these type of topics always turn up when the schools are off

 

some might say they are ruining good bull blood by putting silly saluki blood into them

[moonlighter 1,163]

I had a saluki/bull/greyhound that was great on hares. there is a picture of her in darcy's coursing book. so long as there are bred right they are pretty handy dogs. but like i say, they have to be bred right.

[Catcher 1 639]

Every few month this debate comes up.Its getting like the chicken and the egg.

[BULLRUNNER 7]

bulls bring nothing to the modern day lurcher where anything that bites back is illegal,

so why????would anyone want bull breeds in there dogs,

Look at that silly dvd the wreckin krew,them bull things couldnrt even catch what they where bred for pre ban,Never mind bunnys and hares.

 

so now where we have a tight monitor on what we do who the flip would want to walk around with a bull x

You show me any lurcher that nails every fox it runs on darklord! take it you never been out on the fox "pre ban" and if you have or had your telling me your dogs nailed every single one you run on? if so your a liar!. Its not just about catching stuff its watching the dogs work n run.seen the dvd your on about and yeah they miss afew but there are also some good runs on there too.

WHO SAYS MY DOGS NAIL FOX PRE BAN EVERYTIME BUT NO BULL CAN NAIL EM EVERYTIME LOOK AT THE WRECKIN KREW DVD ITS EQUIVELENT IN SIZE OF A WHIPPET PAIRED UP ON A RATS AS THEM BIG USELESS THINGS PAIRED UP ON FOX AND HOW MANY RUNS WHERE THEM DOGS ANY GOOD FOR??????

WOULD THEY DO A FEW HARES THAT NIGHT A DOZEN OR SO RABBITS NO WAY,

BUT 1 THING TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND THINGS THAT BITE OR ILLEGAL TO PERSUE SO BULL XS SHOULD BE A BIG THING OF THE PAST

U muppet darklord,was refering to ALL LURCHERS!!!!! that includes bull x's. And as for lamping hares thought that was frowned upon by true dog men? basically you just dont like bull x's

[BULLRUNNER 7]

but a saluki brings,stamina what no other dog brings and also doesnt drop a load of speed,

 

in the modern day lurcher for modern day hard core lurcher work what does a bull bring to the lurcher, that a wheaton bedlington or even collie doesnt bring,?????

 

But if rabbits are your only legal quarry surely a collie/grey will give you enough stamina and speed...As i said its all down to personel preference, i personally think a bull lurcher, in the majority are calmer than wheaten or collie crosses. In my opinion far too many people assume bull lurchers are only capable of being point and slip merchants, i have owned and know many that are good ferreting dogs, lampers and more than capable of using their nose....

Well said and tried telling certain folk this but there just blinkered,funny though isn't it that you dont get many folk on here that keep bull x's saying certain other types of lurcher x are shit and cant do this or that! its upto the individual what breed he prefers for the type of job he wants the dog for!

[matt32 44]

Thes people who slag the bulls are jealous,why alse would they go on about how shite they are,maybe because bullx are doing some things there cross cant,like its been said you dont see the people who run bullx having ago at other peoples cjoice of dog,if you dont like a particular cross fine no one asking you to run one,if you dont like them fine but dont slate people for there choice of dog,i think you would fine that most people arent keen to keep stuff that doesnt catch, at least withy a properly bred bullx you know it will put in 100% into what it does and not stop when the going gets rough.This topic goes to show the quality of the lurcher forum has gone to,wish i could get on moochers. yis matt

Edited February 25, 2011 by matt32

[big chief1 40]

your right lots lads get because they think they look good with them .

 

overated and lately people seem to think that every dog has to have bull in em to do stuff what bites back ? dont really get it tbh .

ive never seen a decent running one yet just feks everything up

 

 

i agree! cant turn, no wind, cut easy, headstrong, defo not any brain, strong thats it, beddys do same job as a mix. jmo. but i never seen a good one yet. for all you that own one. a clever dog doesnt get bit back. mines 11 year old still could do what anyones one here could do, hes a sal, grey, beddy, mix. good on long ears, on the bushy tails, on the big stuff, and can fill the freezer up with rabbits. Loadsa mates went to wales buying first x bulls, off so called good lines. Theyre crap. my old dog showed em up every time, alright for one bushy, then cut to pieces getting blood all on my seats trying to climb over my head to get in on a run allsorts. bull x are crap! they say bit of bull gives drive, a greyhound gives plenty of drive for any lurcher. beddys also have the rough coat to add to a lurcher too. Bulls x are smooth coated, big feet, dopey ugly, ignorant shite. that are knackered after running in a straight line for 3 mins TRYING to catch something they can only just about see. ha ha!

 

bigchief speak with forked tongue and narrowmind And your claim saying your 11 year old dog can do what anybodies on here can do just removes any credibility from your post!! Your synopsis of the breeds qualities, or lack of show that ignorance is bliss As bosun says there all lurchers, and if they were that bad they would of died out long ago, if you don't like a particular cross, its simple, dont own one!!! I wouldn't own a saluki or bedlington x but i don't feel the need to slate the cross or knock those that do....

 

 

I not knocking anyone that does own bull, as states this is JMO, narrow mind? Ive seen plenty run, never seen anything that justifys bringing a fighting dog to a lurcher/ or any running dog. JMO as this is a public forum, I am a member of the public and have right to MY Opinion, truth hurts simoman thats what this thread is about. the reason they wont die out is because people are convinced they have to be tough.

foxes are not tough, PRE BAN if dog is clever, waits for strike, gets it in right place, its dead WITHIN SECONDS, few shakes of the neck, theyre not that strong. got a nasty bite thats all, any decent allround lurcher would do this, no need for bull, unless they like to see dogs cut to pieces where they steam in and grab em up the arse, or first thing they grab, only for fox to natrurally turn and defend its self, theres not much to do, dogs are naturally stronger than foxes, no contest. As for my dog, hes 11, was retired at 8 yrs, still walk him though, dont leave in kennels to die after 8 yrs excellent service, if he decides to run a fox/rabbit/pheasent/hare, its up to him in his retirement, he was introduced to fox at 6 yrs when finished daytime long ears, he caught everyone i put him on easily if given right slip. Admittedly he wasnt fast at finishing them, but thats due to the way he was only run on things that dont bite back, he still wasnt bitten, hed let go, and get a better hold to neck , never never did he let them get far, used his head see, rather him do it in his own time than get his face mashed up or leg, also other day at 11 YEARS OLD got two long ears running free behind my house, complete accident. Thats a proper dog mate, SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY DOES MY POST HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.? would you rather your dog do it with or without getting hurt?

Bulls still feel the pain, Breeding bull x crap just in case they get bit is stupid, why? If your lurcher jacks you get another, if it cant kill cxharlie and you want it to, get another dont breed that lurcher that cant do it with bull, what a joke. A good rabbit dog wouldnt need bull, a hare dog doesnt need bull, its a recent thing in last 20-30 years from a new breed of hardcore fox killers that love to see a scrap. A good fox dog would learn/ evolve something bulls are not capable of doing. IMO. and yes alot of friends own them and yes they are still friends. JMO.

 

I await your response moderator. on a subject you obviously know more about than me, it would be intresting to hear your opinion. This meaning what a bull blood brings to a lurcher, that another existing mix doesnt? and why. as for running rabbits all bull does is take away qualities already within the breeding, of course they can catch rabbits, my staffy can catch em around my land, so should I breed her with a grey.? no. that would be stupid. as is breeding bulls. bull dogs are for fighting full stop. I realise alot of people own them I,m not stupid, and if anyone can give me a meaningful answer that makes sense then maybe They could show me, and I may change my opinion, I would admit I were wrong, no dramas.

[Red Collar 28]

your right lots lads get because they think they look good with them .

 

overated and lately people seem to think that every dog has to have bull in em to do stuff what bites back ? dont really get it tbh .

ive never seen a decent running one yet just feks everything up

 

 

i agree! cant turn, no wind, cut easy, headstrong, defo not any brain, strong thats it, beddys do same job as a mix. jmo. but i never seen a good one yet. for all you that own one. a clever dog doesnt get bit back. mines 11 year old still could do what anyones one here could do, hes a sal, grey, beddy, mix. good on long ears, on the bushy tails, on the big stuff, and can fill the freezer up with rabbits. Loadsa mates went to wales buying first x bulls, off so called good lines. Theyre crap. my old dog showed em up every time, alright for one bushy, then cut to pieces getting blood all on my seats trying to climb over my head to get in on a run allsorts. bull x are crap! they say bit of bull gives drive, a greyhound gives plenty of drive for any lurcher. beddys also have the rough coat to add to a lurcher too. Bulls x are smooth coated, big feet, dopey ugly, ignorant shite. that are knackered after running in a straight line for 3 mins TRYING to catch something they can only just about see. ha ha!

 

bigchief speak with forked tongue and narrowmind And your claim saying your 11 year old dog can do what anybodies on here can do just removes any credibility from your post!! Your synopsis of the breeds qualities, or lack of show that ignorance is bliss As bosun says there all lurchers, and if they were that bad they would of died out long ago, if you don't like a particular cross, its simple, dont own one!!! I wouldn't own a saluki or bedlington x but i don't feel the need to slate the cross or knock those that do....

 

 

I not knocking anyone that does own bull, as states this is JMO, narrow mind? Ive seen plenty run, never seen anything that justifys bringing a fighting dog to a lurcher/ or any running dog. JMO as this is a public forum, I am a member of the public and have right to MY Opinion, truth hurts simoman thats what this thread is about. the reason they wont die out is because people are convinced they have to be tough.

foxes are not tough, PRE BAN if dog is clever, waits for strike, gets it in right place, its dead WITHIN SECONDS, few shakes of the neck, theyre not that strong. got a nasty bite thats all, any decent allround lurcher would do this, no need for bull, unless they like to see dogs cut to pieces where they steam in and grab em up the arse, or first thing they grab, only for fox to natrurally turn and defend its self, theres not much to do, dogs are naturally stronger than foxes, no contest. As for my dog, hes 11, was retired at 8 yrs, still walk him though, dont leave in kennels to die after 8 yrs excellent service, if he decides to run a fox/rabbit/pheasent/hare, its up to him in his retirement, he was introduced to fox at 6 yrs when finished daytime long ears, he caught everyone i put him on easily if given right slip. Admittedly he wasnt fast at finishing them, but thats due to the way he was only run on things that dont bite back, he still wasnt bitten, hed let go, and get a better hold to neck , never never did he let them get far, used his head see, rather him do it in his own time than get his face mashed up or leg, also other day at 11 YEARS OLD got two long ears running free behind my house, complete accident. Thats a proper dog mate, SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY DOES MY POST HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.? would you rather your dog do it with or without getting hurt?

Bulls still feel the pain, Breeding bull x crap just in case they get bit is stupid, why? If your lurcher jacks you get another, if it cant kill cxharlie and you want it to, get another dont breed that lurcher that cant do it with bull, what a joke. A good rabbit dog wouldnt need bull, a hare dog doesnt need bull, its a recent thing in last 20-30 years from a new breed of hardcore fox killers that love to see a scrap. A good fox dog would learn/ evolve something bulls are not capable of doing. IMO. and yes alot of friends own them and yes they are still friends. JMO.

 

I await your response moderator. on a subject you obviously know more about than me, it would be intresting to hear your opinion. This meaning what a bull blood brings to a lurcher, that another existing mix doesnt? and why. as for running rabbits all bull does is take away qualities already within the breeding, of course they can catch rabbits, my staffy can catch em around my land, so should I breed her with a grey.? no. that would be stupid. as is breeding bulls. bull dogs are for fighting full stop. I realise alot of people own them I,m not stupid, and if anyone can give me a meaningful answer that makes sense then maybe They could show me, and I may change my opinion, I would admit I were wrong, no dramas.

Bull blood brings stamina and gameness, when you catch six, seven foxes a night, not just one fox here and there,your best to use this x jmo

[francolin 449]

I don't think many people bought them specifically as hare dogs pre ban, so why would it spell the end of the decent hare dog?

 

 

? because all the decent running dogs are getting ruined by people putting shitty bullx into its mix when theres no need what are only good for 1 thing ....

all decent dogs are getting ruined by some putting shit in the mix,not just running dogs ,but some lads try to do the right thing,there aint a easy answer .

[francolin 449]

A very well thought out thread, showing obvious clarity of thinking, experience and a balanced view............................

you are right,but might have to explain the meaning of some of the big words

[big chief1 40]

your right lots lads get because they think they look good with them .

 

overated and lately people seem to think that every dog has to have bull in em to do stuff what bites back ? dont really get it tbh .

ive never seen a decent running one yet just feks everything up

 

 

i agree! cant turn, no wind, cut easy, headstrong, defo not any brain, strong thats it, beddys do same job as a mix. jmo. but i never seen a good one yet. for all you that own one. a clever dog doesnt get bit back. mines 11 year old still could do what anyones one here could do, hes a sal, grey, beddy, mix. good on long ears, on the bushy tails, on the big stuff, and can fill the freezer up with rabbits. Loadsa mates went to wales buying first x bulls, off so called good lines. Theyre crap. my old dog showed em up every time, alright for one bushy, then cut to pieces getting blood all on my seats trying to climb over my head to get in on a run allsorts. bull x are crap! they say bit of bull gives drive, a greyhound gives plenty of drive for any lurcher. beddys also have the rough coat to add to a lurcher too. Bulls x are smooth coated, big feet, dopey ugly, ignorant shite. that are knackered after running in a straight line for 3 mins TRYING to catch something they can only just about see. ha ha!

 

bigchief speak with forked tongue and narrowmind And your claim saying your 11 year old dog can do what anybodies on here can do just removes any credibility from your post!! Your synopsis of the breeds qualities, or lack of show that ignorance is bliss As bosun says there all lurchers, and if they were that bad they would of died out long ago, if you don't like a particular cross, its simple, dont own one!!! I wouldn't own a saluki or bedlington x but i don't feel the need to slate the cross or knock those that do....

 

 

I not knocking anyone that does own bull, as states this is JMO, narrow mind? Ive seen plenty run, never seen anything that justifys bringing a fighting dog to a lurcher/ or any running dog. JMO as this is a public forum, I am a member of the public and have right to MY Opinion, truth hurts simoman thats what this thread is about. the reason they wont die out is because people are convinced they have to be tough.

foxes are not tough, PRE BAN if dog is clever, waits for strike, gets it in right place, its dead WITHIN SECONDS, few shakes of the neck, theyre not that strong. got a nasty bite thats all, any decent allround lurcher would do this, no need for bull, unless they like to see dogs cut to pieces where they steam in and grab em up the arse, or first thing they grab, only for fox to natrurally turn and defend its self, theres not much to do, dogs are naturally stronger than foxes, no contest. As for my dog, hes 11, was retired at 8 yrs, still walk him though, dont leave in kennels to die after 8 yrs excellent service, if he decides to run a fox/rabbit/pheasent/hare, its up to him in his retirement, he was introduced to fox at 6 yrs when finished daytime long ears, he caught everyone i put him on easily if given right slip. Admittedly he wasnt fast at finishing them, but thats due to the way he was only run on things that dont bite back, he still wasnt bitten, hed let go, and get a better hold to neck , never never did he let them get far, used his head see, rather him do it in his own time than get his face mashed up or leg, also other day at 11 YEARS OLD got two long ears running free behind my house, complete accident. Thats a proper dog mate, SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY DOES MY POST HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.? would you rather your dog do it with or without getting hurt?

Bulls still feel the pain, Breeding bull x crap just in case they get bit is stupid, why? If your lurcher jacks you get another, if it cant kill cxharlie and you want it to, get another dont breed that lurcher that cant do it with bull, what a joke. A good rabbit dog wouldnt need bull, a hare dog doesnt need bull, its a recent thing in last 20-30 years from a new breed of hardcore fox killers that love to see a scrap. A good fox dog would learn/ evolve something bulls are not capable of doing. IMO. and yes alot of friends own them and yes they are still friends. JMO.

 

I await your response moderator. on a subject you obviously know more about than me, it would be intresting to hear your opinion. This meaning what a bull blood brings to a lurcher, that another existing mix doesnt? and why. as for running rabbits all bull does is take away qualities already within the breeding, of course they can catch rabbits, my staffy can catch em around my land, so should I breed her with a grey.? no. that would be stupid. as is breeding bulls. bull dogs are for fighting full stop. I realise alot of people own them I,m not stupid, and if anyone can give me a meaningful answer that makes sense then maybe They could show me, and I may change my opinion, I would admit I were wrong, no dramas.

Bull blood brings stamina and gameness, when you catch six, seven foxes a night, not just one fox here and there,your best to use this x jmo

dont think so mate. gameness? any lurcher with greyhound innit is game, as for stamina, bullx lurchers dont have any?????????? why need stamina anyway for a fox that cant run fast, foxes are canny, and will evade a dog through brains around hedges etc, not through stamina.any dog will run 10 foxes. not all will catch though. same with any quarry, so why not just get a new dog if wont grab them? why bull? most dogs can do fox for speed and stamina, a pure whippet, greyhound, deerhound,saluki any thing,just need to find the ones that have the minerals, then breed from that one. Hence over generations the breed gets tougher anyways. Which is how we got so many different breeds of dogs now. Over thousands of years of selective breeding, not confusing everything by going back to the start.. At the end of the day this topic was about bull blood in COURSING DOGS, foxes are not coursing, its not much of a chase on open field, bit better in long grass or rough ground, makers a bit intresting, but defo not coursing. WHICH IS WHAT THE FELLA WAS SAYING.

[poacher3161 1,766]

big cheif 1 agree 100 pct you must be old school.Take a look at the american coyote killing lurchers that have had no bull blood in them for generations.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

your right lots lads get because they think they look good with them .

 

overated and lately people seem to think that every dog has to have bull in em to do stuff what bites back ? dont really get it tbh .

ive never seen a decent running one yet just feks everything up

 

 

i agree! cant turn, no wind, cut easy, headstrong, defo not any brain, strong thats it, beddys do same job as a mix. jmo. but i never seen a good one yet. for all you that own one. a clever dog doesnt get bit back. mines 11 year old still could do what anyones one here could do, hes a sal, grey, beddy, mix. good on long ears, on the bushy tails, on the big stuff, and can fill the freezer up with rabbits. Loadsa mates went to wales buying first x bulls, off so called good lines. Theyre crap. my old dog showed em up every time, alright for one bushy, then cut to pieces getting blood all on my seats trying to climb over my head to get in on a run allsorts. bull x are crap! they say bit of bull gives drive, a greyhound gives plenty of drive for any lurcher. beddys also have the rough coat to add to a lurcher too. Bulls x are smooth coated, big feet, dopey ugly, ignorant shite. that are knackered after running in a straight line for 3 mins TRYING to catch something they can only just about see. ha ha!

 

bigchief speak with forked tongue and narrowmind And your claim saying your 11 year old dog can do what anybodies on here can do just removes any credibility from your post!! Your synopsis of the breeds qualities, or lack of show that ignorance is bliss As bosun says there all lurchers, and if they were that bad they would of died out long ago, if you don't like a particular cross, its simple, dont own one!!! I wouldn't own a saluki or bedlington x but i don't feel the need to slate the cross or knock those that do....

 

 

I not knocking anyone that does own bull, as states this is JMO, narrow mind? Ive seen plenty run, never seen anything that justifys bringing a fighting dog to a lurcher/ or any running dog. JMO as this is a public forum, I am a member of the public and have right to MY Opinion, truth hurts simoman thats what this thread is about. the reason they wont die out is because people are convinced they have to be tough.

foxes are not tough, PRE BAN if dog is clever, waits for strike, gets it in right place, its dead WITHIN SECONDS, few shakes of the neck, theyre not that strong. got a nasty bite thats all, any decent allround lurcher would do this, no need for bull, unless they like to see dogs cut to pieces where they steam in and grab em up the arse, or first thing they grab, only for fox to natrurally turn and defend its self, theres not much to do, dogs are naturally stronger than foxes, no contest. As for my dog, hes 11, was retired at 8 yrs, still walk him though, dont leave in kennels to die after 8 yrs excellent service, if he decides to run a fox/rabbit/pheasent/hare, its up to him in his retirement, he was introduced to fox at 6 yrs when finished daytime long ears, he caught everyone i put him on easily if given right slip. Admittedly he wasnt fast at finishing them, but thats due to the way he was only run on things that dont bite back, he still wasnt bitten, hed let go, and get a better hold to neck , never never did he let them get far, used his head see, rather him do it in his own time than get his face mashed up or leg, also other day at 11 YEARS OLD got two long ears running free behind my house, complete accident. Thats a proper dog mate, SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY DOES MY POST HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.? would you rather your dog do it with or without getting hurt?

Bulls still feel the pain, Breeding bull x crap just in case they get bit is stupid, why? If your lurcher jacks you get another, if it cant kill cxharlie and you want it to, get another dont breed that lurcher that cant do it with bull, what a joke. A good rabbit dog wouldnt need bull, a hare dog doesnt need bull, its a recent thing in last 20-30 years from a new breed of hardcore fox killers that love to see a scrap. A good fox dog would learn/ evolve something bulls are not capable of doing. IMO. and yes alot of friends own them and yes they are still friends. JMO.

 

I await your response moderator. on a subject you obviously know more about than me, it would be intresting to hear your opinion. This meaning what a bull blood brings to a lurcher, that another existing mix doesnt? and why.as for running rabbits all bull does is take away qualities already within the breeding, of course they can catch rabbits, my staffy can catch em around my land, so should I breed her with a grey.? no. that would be stupid. as is breeding bulls. bull dogs are for fighting full stop. I realise alot of people own them I,m not stupid, and if anyone can give me a meaningful answer that makes sense then maybe They could show me, and I may change my opinion, I would admit I were wrong, no dramas.

[merle24 61]

your right lots lads get because they think they look good with them .

 

overated and lately people seem to think that every dog has to have bull in em to do stuff what bites back ? dont really get it tbh .

ive never seen a decent running one yet just feks everything up

 

 

i agree! cant turn, no wind, cut easy, headstrong, defo not any brain, strong thats it, beddys do same job as a mix. jmo. but i never seen a good one yet. for all you that own one. a clever dog doesnt get bit back. mines 11 year old still could do what anyones one here could do, hes a sal, grey, beddy, mix. good on long ears, on the bushy tails, on the big stuff, and can fill the freezer up with rabbits. Loadsa mates went to wales buying first x bulls, off so called good lines. Theyre crap. my old dog showed em up every time, alright for one bushy, then cut to pieces getting blood all on my seats trying to climb over my head to get in on a run allsorts. bull x are crap! they say bit of bull gives drive, a greyhound gives plenty of drive for any lurcher. beddys also have the rough coat to add to a lurcher too. Bulls x are smooth coated, big feet, dopey ugly, ignorant shite. that are knackered after running in a straight line for 3 mins TRYING to catch something they can only just about see. ha ha!

 

bigchief speak with forked tongue and narrowmind And your claim saying your 11 year old dog can do what anybodies on here can do just removes any credibility from your post!! Your synopsis of the breeds qualities, or lack of show that ignorance is bliss As bosun says there all lurchers, and if they were that bad they would of died out long ago, if you don't like a particular cross, its simple, dont own one!!! I wouldn't own a saluki or bedlington x but i don't feel the need to slate the cross or knock those that do....

 

 

I not knocking anyone that does own bull, as states this is JMO, narrow mind? Ive seen plenty run, never seen anything that justifys bringing a fighting dog to a lurcher/ or any running dog. JMO as this is a public forum, I am a member of the public and have right to MY Opinion, truth hurts simoman thats what this thread is about. the reason they wont die out is because people are convinced they have to be tough.

foxes are not tough, PRE BAN if dog is clever, waits for strike, gets it in right place, its dead WITHIN SECONDS, few shakes of the neck, theyre not that strong. got a nasty bite thats all, any decent allround lurcher would do this, no need for bull, unless they like to see dogs cut to pieces where they steam in and grab em up the arse, or first thing they grab, only for fox to natrurally turn and defend its self, theres not much to do, dogs are naturally stronger than foxes, no contest. As for my dog, hes 11, was retired at 8 yrs, still walk him though, dont leave in kennels to die after 8 yrs excellent service, if he decides to run a fox/rabbit/pheasent/hare, its up to him in his retirement, he was introduced to fox at 6 yrs when finished daytime long ears, he caught everyone i put him on easily if given right slip. Admittedly he wasnt fast at finishing them, but thats due to the way he was only run on things that dont bite back, he still wasnt bitten, hed let go, and get a better hold to neck , never never did he let them get far, used his head see, rather him do it in his own time than get his face mashed up or leg, also other day at 11 YEARS OLD got two long ears running free behind my house, complete accident. Thats a proper dog mate, SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY DOES MY POST HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.? would you rather your dog do it with or without getting hurt?

Bulls still feel the pain, Breeding bull x crap just in case they get bit is stupid, why? If your lurcher jacks you get another, if it cant kill cxharlie and you want it to, get another dont breed that lurcher that cant do it with bull, what a joke. A good rabbit dog wouldnt need bull, a hare dog doesnt need bull, its a recent thing in last 20-30 years from a new breed of hardcore fox killers that love to see a scrap. A good fox dog would learn/ evolve something bulls are not capable of doing. IMO. and yes alot of friends own them and yes they are still friends. JMO.

 

I await your response moderator. on a subject you obviously know more about than me, it would be intresting to hear your opinion. This meaning what a bull blood brings to a lurcher, that another existing mix doesnt? and why. as for running rabbits all bull does is take away qualities already within the breeding, of course they can catch rabbits, my staffy can catch em around my land, so should I breed her with a grey.? no. that would be stupid. as is breeding bulls. bull dogs are for fighting full stop. I realise alot of people own them I,m not stupid, and if anyone can give me a meaningful answer that makes sense then maybe They could show me, and I may change my opinion, I would admit I were wrong, no dramas.

 

Stick that in ya pipe and smoke it,,,, ,, spot on, written by a man who obviously knows what hes talking about,, .

[Red Collar 28]

your right lots lads get because they think they look good with them .

 

overated and lately people seem to think that every dog has to have bull in em to do stuff what bites back ? dont really get it tbh .

ive never seen a decent running one yet just feks everything up

 

 

i agree! cant turn, no wind, cut easy, headstrong, defo not any brain, strong thats it, beddys do same job as a mix. jmo. but i never seen a good one yet. for all you that own one. a clever dog doesnt get bit back. mines 11 year old still could do what anyones one here could do, hes a sal, grey, beddy, mix. good on long ears, on the bushy tails, on the big stuff, and can fill the freezer up with rabbits. Loadsa mates went to wales buying first x bulls, off so called good lines. Theyre crap. my old dog showed em up every time, alright for one bushy, then cut to pieces getting blood all on my seats trying to climb over my head to get in on a run allsorts. bull x are crap! they say bit of bull gives drive, a greyhound gives plenty of drive for any lurcher. beddys also have the rough coat to add to a lurcher too. Bulls x are smooth coated, big feet, dopey ugly, ignorant shite. that are knackered after running in a straight line for 3 mins TRYING to catch something they can only just about see. ha ha!

 

bigchief speak with forked tongue and narrowmind And your claim saying your 11 year old dog can do what anybodies on here can do just removes any credibility from your post!! Your synopsis of the breeds qualities, or lack of show that ignorance is bliss As bosun says there all lurchers, and if they were that bad they would of died out long ago, if you don't like a particular cross, its simple, dont own one!!! I wouldn't own a saluki or bedlington x but i don't feel the need to slate the cross or knock those that do....

 

 

I not knocking anyone that does own bull, as states this is JMO, narrow mind? Ive seen plenty run, never seen anything that justifys bringing a fighting dog to a lurcher/ or any running dog. JMO as this is a public forum, I am a member of the public and have right to MY Opinion, truth hurts simoman thats what this thread is about. the reason they wont die out is because people are convinced they have to be tough.

foxes are not tough, PRE BAN if dog is clever, waits for strike, gets it in right place, its dead WITHIN SECONDS, few shakes of the neck, theyre not that strong. got a nasty bite thats all, any decent allround lurcher would do this, no need for bull, unless they like to see dogs cut to pieces where they steam in and grab em up the arse, or first thing they grab, only for fox to natrurally turn and defend its self, theres not much to do, dogs are naturally stronger than foxes, no contest. As for my dog, hes 11, was retired at 8 yrs, still walk him though, dont leave in kennels to die after 8 yrs excellent service, if he decides to run a fox/rabbit/pheasent/hare, its up to him in his retirement, he was introduced to fox at 6 yrs when finished daytime long ears, he caught everyone i put him on easily if given right slip. Admittedly he wasnt fast at finishing them, but thats due to the way he was only run on things that dont bite back, he still wasnt bitten, hed let go, and get a better hold to neck , never never did he let them get far, used his head see, rather him do it in his own time than get his face mashed up or leg, also other day at 11 YEARS OLD got two long ears running free behind my house, complete accident. Thats a proper dog mate, SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY DOES MY POST HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.? would you rather your dog do it with or without getting hurt?

Bulls still feel the pain, Breeding bull x crap just in case they get bit is stupid, why? If your lurcher jacks you get another, if it cant kill cxharlie and you want it to, get another dont breed that lurcher that cant do it with bull, what a joke. A good rabbit dog wouldnt need bull, a hare dog doesnt need bull, its a recent thing in last 20-30 years from a new breed of hardcore fox killers that love to see a scrap. A good fox dog would learn/ evolve something bulls are not capable of doing. IMO. and yes alot of friends own them and yes they are still friends. JMO.

 

I await your response moderator. on a subject you obviously know more about than me, it would be intresting to hear your opinion. This meaning what a bull blood brings to a lurcher, that another existing mix doesnt? and why. as for running rabbits all bull does is take away qualities already within the breeding, of course they can catch rabbits, my staffy can catch em around my land, so should I breed her with a grey.? no. that would be stupid. as is breeding bulls. bull dogs are for fighting full stop. I realise alot of people own them I,m not stupid, and if anyone can give me a meaningful answer that makes sense then maybe They could show me, and I may change my opinion, I would admit I were wrong, no dramas.

Bull blood brings stamina and gameness, when you catch six, seven foxes a night, not just one fox here and there,your best to use this x jmo

dont think so mate. gameness? any lurcher with greyhound innit is game, as for stamina, bullx lurchers dont have any?????????? why need stamina anyway for a fox that cant run fast, foxes are canny, and will evade a dog through brains around hedges etc, not through stamina.any dog will run 10 foxes. not all will catch though. same with any quarry, so why not just get a new dog if wont grab them? why bull? most dogs can do fox for speed and stamina, a pure whippet, greyhound, deerhound,saluki any thing,just need to find the ones that have the minerals, then breed from that one. Hence over generations the breed gets tougher anyways. Which is how we got so many different breeds of dogs now. Over thousands of years of selective breeding, not confusing everything by going back to the start.. At the end of the day this topic was about bull blood in COURSING DOGS, foxes are not coursing, its not much of a chase on open field, bit better in long grass or rough ground, makers a bit intresting, but defo not coursing. WHICH IS WHAT THE FELLA WAS SAYING.

How is any lurcher with greyhound game ? Game for what,i'm talking game enough to get stuck in,maybe stamina was the wrong word, I mean it brings the type of stamina that makes a dog want to and be capable of working a good long night on the foxes pre ban of course,without jibbing, I can only say what I seen pre ban. we lamped,bushed foxes, bullx dogs always give it all, some nights after lamping from eleven o'clock in the night till it went light you seen which dogs had it in them. I can honestly say I have seen hundreds of lurchers work,I have seen them work all quarry, I have seen good dogs and shit dogs in all crosses,obviously for hares a saluki grey is better than bull grey,and I have seen salukis which can catch foxes and kill them but with bullx it will catch and kill foxes three four nights a week and a couple of days a week,saluki crosses will soon pack it in,foxes can run fast mate ,and I'm talking killing four five upwards foxes at least couple nights a week that's where ye bulx is a better x than most and that's why people who work them love them they will run through a wall for a fox rabbit hare deer,so there you go. :thumbs: