FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) Excellent discussion. I think it should be a distinction between a poor day performance (always possible in the career of a dog) from stop the action while the dog work. Many Terriers stop hunting if find a competitor that severely punishes them or that they can not "dominate" psychologically. Then resume their work next time if encounter an animal that can work more easily... For me, these dogs are second-rate workers and not suitable for breeding. A game worker can, for a thousand reasons, have a bad day but NEVER go away from his enemy. Bless ABSOLUTE BULL S**T. FROM THE BREEDING SIDE OF WHAT YOUR SAYING. IVE SEEN THE BEST OF TERRIERS GET SICKENED BY ITS QUARRY AND COME AWAY AFTER A FEW HOURS OF DIGGING, THERES LIMITS, WHEN THE QUARRY CHARGES AND CHARGES NON STOP, AND IT NOWS IT CAN BEAT A TERRIER, WHICH HAPPENS WHEN THERES BIN A FEW FAILED DIGS ON IT. I WOULDENT CALL THEM SECOND RATE WORKERS IDE CALL THEM A GOOD WORKER THATS ACCOUNTED FOR ITS SELF. YOU CANT BREED FROM A OVER HARD DEAD DOG. JUST MY OPINION. Looking with a Gamedog mind at it, I have to agree with that last centence from Daniele Santoni. But saying this, I am learning at the moment that with Terriers not everything is that simple, and added to that that also everybody has a different opinion on these matters. This doesn't make it simpleat all. But if you look me in my heart, I would only breed from dogs that don't fly away from their prey like the roles are reversed. I WOULDENT BREED FROM ANYTHING THAT FLYS AWAY AWAY FROM ITS QUARRY, BUT I WOULD FROM A THINKING WORKER THATS NOT STUPID But a dog that abborts his mission is not the way to go in my opinion, thinking or not. But maybe because I am a novice at this I just don't understand you. But as I understand you are saying that it is ok for a dog to abbort his mission now and then to safe himself? NO NOT ABBORT ITS MISSION, BUT I HAVE AT TIMES SEEN A DOG CHARGED OVER AND PULLED THE DOG AWAY BECOUSE IN MY MIND ITS STALE MATE, I THINK YOU GETTING THE WRONG END OF THE STICK, IME SAYING THERS JACKERS AND THEN THERES DOGS THATS HAD ENOUGH, IN MY EYES ILE PULL THEM OUT RESULT OR NOT. YOU pull them out? But dogs YOU pull ohut didn't quit. So if this is the only excuse a dog gets from you then you are saying the same as Daniele Santoni. But in your earlier posts it sounded different in my ears. IVE PULLED DOGS OUT, AND IVE HAD A COUPLE A DOGS CHARGED OUT OVER THE YEARS. THE DOGS CHARGED OUT HAVENT BIN JACKERS. AND WANTED BACK IN. BUT I CANT SEE THE PIONT WHEN THE DOGS HEAD IS MASHED AND IME NOT GOING TO GET A RESULT Dont try and prove your point mate. You hear of these wonder dogs that never ever fail on any quarry. I have yet to see any, or hear of any first hand from a reputable source. Dogs are always heros once they are dead... FTB Edited February 26, 2011 by FightTheBan Quote Link to post
hack 301 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Excellent discussion. I think it should be a distinction between a poor day performance (always possible in the career of a dog) from stop the action while the dog work. Many Terriers stop hunting if find a competitor that severely punishes them or that they can not "dominate" psychologically. Then resume their work next time if encounter an animal that can work more easily... For me, these dogs are second-rate workers and not suitable for breeding. A game worker can, for a thousand reasons, have a bad day but NEVER go away from his enemy. Bless ABSOLUTE BULL S**T. FROM THE BREEDING SIDE OF WHAT YOUR SAYING. IVE SEEN THE BEST OF TERRIERS GET SICKENED BY ITS QUARRY AND COME AWAY AFTER A FEW HOURS OF DIGGING, THERES LIMITS, WHEN THE QUARRY CHARGES AND CHARGES NON STOP, AND IT NOWS IT CAN BEAT A TERRIER, WHICH HAPPENS WHEN THERES BIN A FEW FAILED DIGS ON IT. I WOULDENT CALL THEM SECOND RATE WORKERS IDE CALL THEM A GOOD WORKER THATS ACCOUNTED FOR ITS SELF. YOU CANT BREED FROM A OVER HARD DEAD DOG. JUST MY OPINION. Looking with a Gamedog mind at it, I have to agree with that last centence from Daniele Santoni. But saying this, I am learning at the moment that with Terriers not everything is that simple, and added to that that also everybody has a different opinion on these matters. This doesn't make it simpleat all. But if you look me in my heart, I would only breed from dogs that don't fly away from their prey like the roles are reversed. I WOULDENT BREED FROM ANYTHING THAT FLYS AWAY AWAY FROM ITS QUARRY, BUT I WOULD FROM A THINKING WORKER THATS NOT STUPID But a dog that abborts his mission is not the way to go in my opinion, thinking or not. But maybe because I am a novice at this I just don't understand you. But as I understand you are saying that it is ok for a dog to abbort his mission now and then to safe himself? NO NOT ABBORT ITS MISSION, BUT I HAVE AT TIMES SEEN A DOG CHARGED OVER AND PULLED THE DOG AWAY BECOUSE IN MY MIND ITS STALE MATE, I THINK YOU GETTING THE WRONG END OF THE STICK, IME SAYING THERS JACKERS AND THEN THERES DOGS THATS HAD ENOUGH, IN MY EYES ILE PULL THEM OUT RESULT OR NOT. YOU pull them out? But dogs YOU pull ohut didn't quit. So if this is the only excuse a dog gets from you then you are saying the same as Daniele Santoni. But in your earlier posts it sounded different in my ears. IVE PULLED DOGS OUT, AND IVE HAD A COUPLE A DOGS CHARGED OUT OVER THE YEARS. THE DOGS CHARGED OUT HAVENT BIN JACKERS. AND WANTED BACK IN. BUT I CANT SEE THE PIONT WHEN THE DOGS HEAD IS MASHED AND IME NOT GOING TO GET A RESULT surely we breed terriers to stay no matter how hard it comes couldnt breed off a dog that came off how could u trust it again Quote Link to post
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Excellent discussion. I think it should be a distinction between a poor day performance (always possible in the career of a dog) from stop the action while the dog work. Many Terriers stop hunting if find a competitor that severely punishes them or that they can not "dominate" psychologically. Then resume their work next time if encounter an animal that can work more easily... For me, these dogs are second-rate workers and not suitable for breeding. A game worker can, for a thousand reasons, have a bad day but NEVER go away from his enemy. Bless ABSOLUTE BULL S**T. FROM THE BREEDING SIDE OF WHAT YOUR SAYING. IVE SEEN THE BEST OF TERRIERS GET SICKENED BY ITS QUARRY AND COME AWAY AFTER A FEW HOURS OF DIGGING, THERES LIMITS, WHEN THE QUARRY CHARGES AND CHARGES NON STOP, AND IT NOWS IT CAN BEAT A TERRIER, WHICH HAPPENS WHEN THERES BIN A FEW FAILED DIGS ON IT. I WOULDENT CALL THEM SECOND RATE WORKERS IDE CALL THEM A GOOD WORKER THATS ACCOUNTED FOR ITS SELF. YOU CANT BREED FROM A OVER HARD DEAD DOG. JUST MY OPINION. Looking with a Gamedog mind at it, I have to agree with that last centence from Daniele Santoni. But saying this, I am learning at the moment that with Terriers not everything is that simple, and added to that that also everybody has a different opinion on these matters. This doesn't make it simpleat all. But if you look me in my heart, I would only breed from dogs that don't fly away from their prey like the roles are reversed. I WOULDENT BREED FROM ANYTHING THAT FLYS AWAY AWAY FROM ITS QUARRY, BUT I WOULD FROM A THINKING WORKER THATS NOT STUPID But a dog that abborts his mission is not the way to go in my opinion, thinking or not. But maybe because I am a novice at this I just don't understand you. But as I understand you are saying that it is ok for a dog to abbort his mission now and then to safe himself? NO NOT ABBORT ITS MISSION, BUT I HAVE AT TIMES SEEN A DOG CHARGED OVER AND PULLED THE DOG AWAY BECOUSE IN MY MIND ITS STALE MATE, I THINK YOU GETTING THE WRONG END OF THE STICK, IME SAYING THERS JACKERS AND THEN THERES DOGS THATS HAD ENOUGH, IN MY EYES ILE PULL THEM OUT RESULT OR NOT. YOU pull them out? But dogs YOU pull ohut didn't quit. So if this is the only excuse a dog gets from you then you are saying the same as Daniele Santoni. But in your earlier posts it sounded different in my ears. IVE PULLED DOGS OUT, AND IVE HAD A COUPLE A DOGS CHARGED OUT OVER THE YEARS. THE DOGS CHARGED OUT HAVENT BIN JACKERS. AND WANTED BACK IN. BUT I CANT SEE THE PIONT WHEN THE DOGS HEAD IS MASHED AND IME NOT GOING TO GET A RESULT surely we breed terriers to stay no matter how hard it comes couldnt breed off a dog that came off how could u trust it again How many litters have you bred? FTB Quote Link to post
hack 301 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Excellent discussion. I think it should be a distinction between a poor day performance (always possible in the career of a dog) from stop the action while the dog work. Many Terriers stop hunting if find a competitor that severely punishes them or that they can not "dominate" psychologically. Then resume their work next time if encounter an animal that can work more easily... For me, these dogs are second-rate workers and not suitable for breeding. A game worker can, for a thousand reasons, have a bad day but NEVER go away from his enemy. Bless ABSOLUTE BULL S**T. FROM THE BREEDING SIDE OF WHAT YOUR SAYING. IVE SEEN THE BEST OF TERRIERS GET SICKENED BY ITS QUARRY AND COME AWAY AFTER A FEW HOURS OF DIGGING, THERES LIMITS, WHEN THE QUARRY CHARGES AND CHARGES NON STOP, AND IT NOWS IT CAN BEAT A TERRIER, WHICH HAPPENS WHEN THERES BIN A FEW FAILED DIGS ON IT. I WOULDENT CALL THEM SECOND RATE WORKERS IDE CALL THEM A GOOD WORKER THATS ACCOUNTED FOR ITS SELF. YOU CANT BREED FROM A OVER HARD DEAD DOG. JUST MY OPINION. Looking with a Gamedog mind at it, I have to agree with that last centence from Daniele Santoni. But saying this, I am learning at the moment that with Terriers not everything is that simple, and added to that that also everybody has a different opinion on these matters. This doesn't make it simpleat all. But if you look me in my heart, I would only breed from dogs that don't fly away from their prey like the roles are reversed. I WOULDENT BREED FROM ANYTHING THAT FLYS AWAY AWAY FROM ITS QUARRY, BUT I WOULD FROM A THINKING WORKER THATS NOT STUPID But a dog that abborts his mission is not the way to go in my opinion, thinking or not. But maybe because I am a novice at this I just don't understand you. But as I understand you are saying that it is ok for a dog to abbort his mission now and then to safe himself? NO NOT ABBORT ITS MISSION, BUT I HAVE AT TIMES SEEN A DOG CHARGED OVER AND PULLED THE DOG AWAY BECOUSE IN MY MIND ITS STALE MATE, I THINK YOU GETTING THE WRONG END OF THE STICK, IME SAYING THERS JACKERS AND THEN THERES DOGS THATS HAD ENOUGH, IN MY EYES ILE PULL THEM OUT RESULT OR NOT. YOU pull them out? But dogs YOU pull ohut didn't quit. So if this is the only excuse a dog gets from you then you are saying the same as Daniele Santoni. But in your earlier posts it sounded different in my ears. IVE PULLED DOGS OUT, AND IVE HAD A COUPLE A DOGS CHARGED OUT OVER THE YEARS. THE DOGS CHARGED OUT HAVENT BIN JACKERS. AND WANTED BACK IN. BUT I CANT SEE THE PIONT WHEN THE DOGS HEAD IS MASHED AND IME NOT GOING TO GET A RESULT surely we breed terriers to stay no matter how hard it comes couldnt breed off a dog that came off how could u trust it again How many litters have you bred? FTB im no young kid mate breed quite a few litters over 20 years or so not trying to say got world beaters just wouldnt breed off a dog that came off Quote Link to post
Nick 14 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Excellent discussion. I think it should be a distinction between a poor day performance (always possible in the career of a dog) from stop the action while the dog work. Many Terriers stop hunting if find a competitor that severely punishes them or that they can not "dominate" psychologically. Then resume their work next time if encounter an animal that can work more easily... For me, these dogs are second-rate workers and not suitable for breeding. A game worker can, for a thousand reasons, have a bad day but NEVER go away from his enemy. Bless ABSOLUTE BULL S**T. FROM THE BREEDING SIDE OF WHAT YOUR SAYING. IVE SEEN THE BEST OF TERRIERS GET SICKENED BY ITS QUARRY AND COME AWAY AFTER A FEW HOURS OF DIGGING, THERES LIMITS, WHEN THE QUARRY CHARGES AND CHARGES NON STOP, AND IT NOWS IT CAN BEAT A TERRIER, WHICH HAPPENS WHEN THERES BIN A FEW FAILED DIGS ON IT. I WOULDENT CALL THEM SECOND RATE WORKERS IDE CALL THEM A GOOD WORKER THATS ACCOUNTED FOR ITS SELF. YOU CANT BREED FROM A OVER HARD DEAD DOG. JUST MY OPINION. Looking with a Gamedog mind at it, I have to agree with that last centence from Daniele Santoni. But saying this, I am learning at the moment that with Terriers not everything is that simple, and added to that that also everybody has a different opinion on these matters. This doesn't make it simpleat all. But if you look me in my heart, I would only breed from dogs that don't fly away from their prey like the roles are reversed. I WOULDENT BREED FROM ANYTHING THAT FLYS AWAY AWAY FROM ITS QUARRY, BUT I WOULD FROM A THINKING WORKER THATS NOT STUPID But a dog that abborts his mission is not the way to go in my opinion, thinking or not. But maybe because I am a novice at this I just don't understand you. But as I understand you are saying that it is ok for a dog to abbort his mission now and then to safe himself? NO NOT ABBORT ITS MISSION, BUT I HAVE AT TIMES SEEN A DOG CHARGED OVER AND PULLED THE DOG AWAY BECOUSE IN MY MIND ITS STALE MATE, I THINK YOU GETTING THE WRONG END OF THE STICK, IME SAYING THERS JACKERS AND THEN THERES DOGS THATS HAD ENOUGH, IN MY EYES ILE PULL THEM OUT RESULT OR NOT. YOU pull them out? But dogs YOU pull ohut didn't quit. So if this is the only excuse a dog gets from you then you are saying the same as Daniele Santoni. But in your earlier posts it sounded different in my ears. IVE PULLED DOGS OUT, AND IVE HAD A COUPLE A DOGS CHARGED OUT OVER THE YEARS. THE DOGS CHARGED OUT HAVENT BIN JACKERS. AND WANTED BACK IN. BUT I CANT SEE THE PIONT WHEN THE DOGS HEAD IS MASHED AND IME NOT GOING TO GET A RESULT Dont try and prove your point mate. You hear of these wonder dogs that never ever fail on any quarry. I have yet to see any, or hear of any first hand from a reputable source. Dogs are always heros once they are dead... FTB Not trying to pull somebodys leg here, just genuinely interested as opinions are very different on these matters and is very confusing. And yes I think we all like a dog that never fails on any quarry, but I can't tel or there are many around? How long are you in the dogs? Never seen one? Anybody else seen one? Quote Link to post
dead-eye 3 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Excellent discussion.I think it should be a distinction between a poor day performance (always possible in the career of a dog) from stop the action while the dog work.Many Terriers stop hunting if find a competitor that severely punishes them or that they can not "dominate" psychologically. Then resume their work next time if encounter an animal that can work more easily...For me, these dogs are second-rate workers and not suitable for breeding.A game worker can, for a thousand reasons, have a bad day but NEVER go away from his enemy.Bless ABSOLUTE BULL S**T. FROM THE BREEDING SIDE OF WHAT YOUR SAYING. IVE SEEN THE BEST OF TERRIERS GET SICKENED BY ITS QUARRY AND COME AWAY AFTER A FEW HOURS OF DIGGING, THERES LIMITS, WHEN THE QUARRY CHARGES AND CHARGES NON STOP, AND IT NOWS IT CAN BEAT A TERRIER, WHICH HAPPENS WHEN THERES BIN A FEW FAILED DIGS ON IT. I WOULDENT CALL THEM SECOND RATE WORKERS IDE CALL THEM A GOOD WORKER THATS ACCOUNTED FOR ITS SELF. YOU CANT BREED FROM A OVER HARD DEAD DOG. JUST MY OPINION.Looking with a Gamedog mind at it, I have to agree with that last centence from Daniele Santoni. But saying this, I am learning at the moment that with Terriers not everything is that simple, and added to that that also everybody has a different opinion on these matters. This doesn't make it simpleat all.But if you look me in my heart, I would only breed from dogs that don't fly away from their prey like the roles are reversed.I WOULDENT BREED FROM ANYTHING THAT FLYS AWAY AWAY FROM ITS QUARRY, BUT I WOULD FROM A THINKING WORKER THATS NOT STUPID But a dog that abborts his mission is not the way to go in my opinion, thinking or not. But maybe because I am a novice at this I just don't understand you. But as I understand you are saying that it is ok for a dog to abbort his mission now and then to safe himself?NO NOT ABBORT ITS MISSION, BUT I HAVE AT TIMES SEEN A DOG CHARGED OVER AND PULLED THE DOG AWAY BECOUSE IN MY MIND ITS STALE MATE, I THINK YOU GETTING THE WRONG END OF THE STICK, IME SAYING THERS JACKERS AND THEN THERES DOGS THATS HAD ENOUGH, IN MY EYES ILE PULL THEM OUT RESULT OR NOT.YOU pull them out? But dogs YOU pull ohut didn't quit. So if this is the only excuse a dog gets from you then you are saying the same as Daniele Santoni. But in your earlier posts it sounded different in my ears.IVE PULLED DOGS OUT, AND IVE HAD A COUPLE A DOGS CHARGED OUT OVER THE YEARS. THE DOGS CHARGED OUT HAVENT BIN JACKERS. AND WANTED BACK IN. BUT I CANT SEE THE PIONT WHEN THE DOGS HEAD IS MASHED AND IME NOT GOING TO GET A RESULTsurely we breed terriers to stay no matter how hard it comes couldnt breed off a dog that came off how could u trust it again Id rather have a dog that would abort its mission today if it got to hard and be able to work tomorrow, than a dog that gets smashed today and not be able to work for a month Quote Link to post
alan626 305 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 the dog should be able to stay there as long as it takes no matter how hard of punnishment its getting. once it reaches its quarry it should stay till dug if it comes out u can accept it once because u dont know wat just happened under there any more than once it becomes a habbit to the dog, thats no good if u cant trust the dog Quote Link to post
fish 148 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 the dog should be able to stay there as long as it takes no matter how hard of punnishment its getting. once it reaches its quarry it should stay till dug if it comes out u can accept it once because u dont know wat just happened under there any more than once it becomes a habbit to the dog, thats no good if u cant trust the dog tell you what bud sounds like i must have missed something over the years about the terrier game.there must be some super terriers about.think i have to have a rethink about were iv been going wrong. Quote Link to post
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Tell me about it fish. If I knew there were as many hero terriers about like the above I would have to have a serious rethink. Lol Wake up! FTB Quote Link to post
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