jagdterriers

[blackpack 70]

bloody disgusting, just glad here in wales and all over britain were not like them twats, we have respect for our quarry and dispatch as quickly as possible

[PBurns 9]

I am pleased to see genuine and vocal disgust at baiting. The difference between hunting with terriers and baiting is not subtle, and it's important to defend the former while rejecting the latter.

 

If you go through the links to all the other German Hunt terriers web sites listed, you will that find most are to show dog sites or to folks that are also engaged in artificial earthwork of one form or another.

 

Why the use of all these artificial earths?

 

I think one factor is that many German Hunt Terriers are too big to get to ground in a natural earth, and so it's fake work or none for a large number of these over-large dogs -- the same thing we see with Kennel Club terriers here in America. The honest working Jagt terrier tends to be on the very bottom of the size scale of this breed -- or smaller, as Greg suggests.

 

 

 

 

The large size of so many Jagd terriers is, in no small part, due to the strange history of this breed -- a dog created by theorists over a decade, rather than genuine diggers over several lifetimes.

 

For those interested in reading a bit more about the size problem with these dogs, and their history, see >> http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/search?q=Jagd

 

 

Patrick

Edited February 22, 2007 by PBurns

[nelson 0]

Excellent post as usual P Burns.

 

A very good link and well worth reading, old Jerry wont let it lye will he

 

The size thing is something i can't agree more strongly with, fair game to the big terrier that thrash's his fox but, and it is a but, he has to get there first.

[matulkoh 66]

great post Patric

but y can still find a lot of small good ones, ps those artificial dens are used mainly in europe because of huge nubmer of foxes and rabies. we also use this dens, but we made them slightely different, semidiameter - 20cm so nothing for a big dog, we work these dogs also in earth, we made cca 1 fox in artificial den to 10 in earth.

 

but i agree jags start to be quit big, but if y wanna breed them they have to prove their qualities in earth and also on wild boars, this is how it is in Slovakia, NO proved worker in breeding

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

my friend s kennel, hard workers which proved their qualities X times to foxes, badgers and boars

 

boths bithes under 8kg, less than 36cm at withers, both with small chest, never have a problem with an earth

[LAKEYDUGS 0]

This thread should scrubbed f****n bang out of order that, Great ammo for the antis well done mate.

 

[matulkoh 66]

for antis? mate i m from Slovakia, so what y talkin about? we shoot bears, wolfs..... so what? we can, we re makin a good work because we have more wild life than in hole western Europe so i f.... off y antis. i try to put some pics and another point of view on that breed. there s nothing wrong with that topic. or y d like to teach us how do the job here.

 

ridiculous

[steezy 1]

for antis? mate i m from Slovakia, so what y talkin about? we shoot bears, wolfs..... so what? we can, we re makin a good work because we have more wild life than in hole western Europe so i f.... off y antis. i try to put some pics and another point of view on that breed. there s nothing wrong with that topic. or y d like to teach us how do the job here.

 

ridiculous

Hi Matulkoh !

I think he mean the thread with the yugoslavian site giving the anti´s food to shoot against all type of terrierwork , not your pic´s or something !

Greeting´s

Steezy

Edited February 25, 2007 by steezy

[valerio 32]

greet reply Steezy

bet the man has not seen a badger outside of the tv box.Mr Burns you have the bad abit to talk about things you dont know,and to think the only good things are those from america,If jagdterriers are to big why a big number of terriermen from continental europe use them??

[steezy 1]

greet reply Steezy

bet the man has not seen a badger outside of the tv box.Mr Burns you have the bad abit to talk about things you dont know,and to think the only good things are those from america,If jagdterriers are to big why a big number of terriermen from continental europe use them??

Hi Valerio !

I edit the part for PBurns , because i talk to one of the oldies about that and he told me to don´t react on thoose non-knowers ! Fact is German Jagd´s are bred for Fox and Badger work and there are a lot of small first class workers out here !

PBurn´s know nothing about German Jagds and Badgers and their den´s !

Greeting´s

Steezy

 

But i ´m interested in the american Digging history of a man that write such crap like that ...due to the strange history of this breed -- a dog created by theorists over a decade, rather than genuine diggers over several lifetimes. ???

...so who is a theorist ?

Edited February 25, 2007 by steezy

[steezy 1]

I am pleased to see genuine and vocal disgust at baiting. The difference between hunting with terriers and baiting is not subtle, and it's important to defend the former while rejecting the latter.

 

If you go through the links to all the other German Hunt terriers web sites listed, you will that find most are to show dog sites or to folks that are also engaged in artificial earthwork of one form or another.

 

Why the use of all these artificial earths?

 

I think one factor is that many German Hunt Terriers are too big to get to ground in a natural earth, and so it's fake work or none for a large number of these over-large dogs -- the same thing we see with Kennel Club terriers here in America. The honest working Jagt terrier tends to be on the very bottom of the size scale of this breed -- or smaller, as Greg suggests.

 

 

 

 

The large size of so many Jagd terriers is, in no small part, due to the strange history of this breed -- a dog created by theorists over a decade, rather than genuine diggers over several lifetimes.

 

For those interested in reading a bit more about the size problem with these dogs, and their history, see >> http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/search?q=Jagd

 

 

Patrick

ok ! a little more info ! I don´t know what for shows or showdog PB mean ! the breed is a very well used hunting dog breed in germany and i never heard of show´s for theese dog´s or seen some on other show´s !

85 % of the German Jagd´s here are smaller in size than the Patterdale´s from Uk ... so will you say that nearly all Patterdale´s are not useable !

You talk about GregD ... i know both parent´s of his dog and belive me they are the right size for Fox and Badger working ...what about your dog´s ? Did they work Fox and Badger ? What did you know about Badger and their den´s and the Terriers that work them ? I think nothing !!!

How many of your mikeymouse hamster dog´s work on Badger ? What can a badger do for damage on a Terrier ?

I personally prefer patterdale´s but don´t write crap about a great dog breed you didn´t know !

...and like Matulkoh write what do you know about artifictuall´s , about their size and their use before you write about them ?

The german jagd is a great dog breed and they are digged more in their history than most of the US people will do in the future !

Greeting´s again

Steezy

[nelson 0]

Great replies from the Continental contingent. Good on yer lads, stick up for the fact you lucky b'stards have still got the right to work your dogs to ALL Vermin.

[valerio 32]

I've posted a photo of two jagdterriers I worked with today accounting for 5 of the hardest terrier quarry in another topic.the photo is shit quality,but belive me this dogs are made for the job.

talking about dog size a well built dog with bood angles,and a real passion for the job can push himself were a smaller sized can't.

[matulkoh 66]

may be but bit late for such a reply and why an ammo for antis, it s different country, y should see such an event to judge, these kind of dens are all over the europe, it should be the first contact of the dog and ban, it s for educating the dog, if there is a contest y should have 1 fox for one dog, if there is a contact this fox is out. it has long and strict rules, it has long history here on continent, so try to get more info before judgin, for those link - i m absolutely against those crap, badgers are banned, and it looks it s just for an advertise the dogs.

 

only thing y can do it s just to write that y disagree but nothing more, in balkan are many great dogs, and great genuine terriermen who do the great job, may be y re angry that y cant do the same, make some digs on big quary, breed the bulldogs and and keep them for sport, test the big owcharkas how we test them.....

do not judge, or y think y better than boys in germany, austria, italy, czech, slovakia, poland, russia, balkan countries..... y know we all can F.... OFF antis in Britain, we do the job how many generations before us and we will do until the F from EU banned this.

we hunt foxes, badgers... for some reason not because of it s a national field sport, excuse me - for genuine terriermen who do the job for protectin birds, rabbits....and keeping and breeding the dogs for the purpose of their lifes.

[nelson 0]

talking about dog size a well built dog with bood angles,and a real passion for the job can push himself were a smaller sized can't.

 

If you have two terriers of equal working ability, same athletic build but one larger than the other, how can the larger one get where the smaller one can't ?

 

Both dogs want to get to their quarry with the same amount of heart, one is physically more able than the other so logically it should be able to get further up a tube than the larger dog.

 

My only experience is obviously with fox, maybe terriers shrink when used for Badger.

 

Have you never had a dog stuck, being hurt by his quarry and not able to react 'cos its too big, or a terrier that cannot get close to its quarry for the same reason. I know i have and for that reason i avoid keeping large terrier's, only keeping terriers with a big heart.

 

I reckon the lads who work their Jagd's do the same matey.

 

Good to talk about a different breed in another country though, after all we are all in the same game lads.

[steezy 1]

talking about dog size a well built dog with bood angles,and a real passion for the job can push himself were a smaller sized can't.

 

If you have two terriers of equal working ability, same athletic build but one larger than the other, how can the larger one get where the smaller one can't ?

 

Both dogs want to get to their quarry with the same amount of heart, one is physically more able than the other so logically it should be able to get further up a tube than the larger dog.

 

My only experience is obviously with fox, maybe terriers shrink when used for Badger.

 

Have you never had a dog stuck, being hurt by his quarry and not able to react 'cos its too big, or a terrier that cannot get close to its quarry for the same reason. I know i have and for that reason i avoid keeping large terrier's, only keeping terriers with a big heart.

 

I reckon the lads who work their Jagd's do the same matey.

 

Good to talk about a different breed in another country though, after all we are all in the same game lads.

but about what size we talk about ? Like i say most Jagd´s are the same size than Patt´s , Few are lower , few are more but mostly the same ! In Us they need the smaller dog´s , Ok for them , but we need every size here but we don´t talk bad about smaller dog´s or the job´s they had to do !

We need small dog´s for the Foxes in Rabbitdens , we need medium sized dog´s for normal Foxdens and Badgers and the Bigger one´s we can use for boars ! and only while the US Dude need the small dog´s for the groundhog´s , big dog´s are bad ?!

It isn´t allways the the big dog wich gets hurt by his quarry !

For a good job ( whatever that is ) every Terrier with everysize need a big heart and that´s the dog´s i like , if it is a Jagd , a Patt , a Jack Russel , a Fox Terrier or a x it dosen´t matter !

greeting´s

Steezy

 

 

ps. but Fact is the Jagd Terrier is a breed bred only for work and only from the best´s workers and NOT for show´s or look !

Edited February 25, 2007 by steezy