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[bouncer 51]

which is the better for night vision and which one can you see furthest with a ir laser or a lightforce 170 with infra red filter cheers.sorry for all the questions but don't want to waste money and then got to get something better.

[jamie g 17]

which is the better for night vision and which one can you see furthest with a ir laser or a lightforce 170 with infra red filter cheers.sorry for all the questions but don't want to waste money and then got to get something better.

 

the 170 will give you good distance but then you have the bother of carry that to which doesnt make it any better.

[sako 23]

I've got a blitz with IR filter and a N1000 laser, I haven't really tried the blitz againt the laser as the N1000 seems good for 200-300 yrds and it attaches to my mono so only one hand is required so haven't bothered trying. I'll be back now to answer your question..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Right ok my findings: Out to 200 yrds I would say the blitz with ir filter and N1000 are roughly the same brightness if the N1000 is on 4.But anything under 100yrds seems to bright with the blitz and will probably cook the tube quicker than the N1000 on needed on number 1. However the blitz out to about 600yrds still shows light onto the viewed area where the N1000 doesn't seem to make the distance.

My personal choice would be a laser as it's so small and easily adjustable, but a lamp with IR filter if it's mounted on a gun will do the same job. I would only want to go down this road as long as it's a cheap nv add on or cheap dedicated nv scope on the gun and as long as the lamp has a dimmer.

If it's for a mono for just viewing it has to be a laser. It's easy to follow the lamp beam with the mono but you need three hands one for the lamp one for the mono and the other for the dimmer.

If I remember rightly I gave nearly £100 for the IR filter on the blitz, I would say save a bit longer and get a laser. Hope this helps!

Edited February 17, 2011 by sako

[bouncer 51]

I've got a blitz with IR filter and a N1000 laser, I haven't really tried the blitz againt the laser as the N1000 seems good for 200-300 yrds and it attaches to my mono so only one hand is required so haven't bothered trying. I'll be back now to answer your question..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Right ok my findings: Out to 200 yrds I would say the blitz with ir filter and N1000 are roughly the same brightness if the N1000 is on 4.But anything under 100yrds seems to bright with the blitz and will probably cook the tube quicker than the N1000 on needed on number 1. However the blitz out to about 600yrds still shows light onto the viewed area where the N1000 doesn't seem to make the distance.

My personal choice would be a laser as it's so small and easily adjustable, but a lamp with IR filter if it's mounted on a gun will do the same job. I would only want to go down this road as long as it's a cheap nv add on or cheap dedicated nv scope on the gun and as long as the lamp has a dimmer.

If it's for a mono for just viewing it has to be a laser. It's easy to follow the lamp beam with the mono but you need three hands one for the lamp one for the mono and the other for the dimmer.

If I remember rightly I gave nearly £100 for the IR filter on the blitz, I would say save a bit longer and get a laser. Hope this helps!

thanks for that buddy that was very helpful. :thumbs:p.s you have a variable laser do you.

Edited February 17, 2011 by bouncer

[sako 23]

If by variable you mean the brightness then yes the N1000 has 4 clicks which goes 1dim to 4 brightest then if you go past 4 it goes to off. This is very handy as when it's on my mono it's underneath and when the mono is used as an add on it's on top so it doesn't matter which way I turn it, when it hits a stop ie: before 1 or after 4 I know it's off.It's not confusing but when its on top or below the rotation of the brighness is reversed. It also has a variable spot or flood type beam and the beam is directable ie: you can position the beam to centralise the beam in your nv device. I think a dipol has 9 settings but only has one off switch ie: off then 1-9 I dont think this is really a problem but I do like the two off positions on the N1000. The dipol is more money but I haven't got one to compare.

You can get LED lasers I have one on my mono but it only goes 100yrds that said I prefer to use that out to a 100yrds over laser or lamp filter. Then you need to turn the N1000 to see further.

How far do you need to see?

What nv are you using?

What gun?

 

Someone else will be able to tell you exactly what you need if you answer those questions.

Glad you found the last post helpful I can only tell you my experience as I know nothing either about nv(but Im learning slowly)

[bouncer 51]

If by variable you mean the brightness then yes the N1000 has 4 clicks which goes 1dim to 4 brightest then if you go past 4 it goes to off. This is very handy as when it's on my mono it's underneath and when the mono is used as an add on it's on top so it doesn't matter which way I turn it, when it hits a stop ie: before 1 or after 4 I know it's off.It's not confusing but when its on top or below the rotation of the brighness is reversed. It also has a variable spot or flood type beam and the beam is directable ie: you can position the beam to centralise the beam in your nv device. I think a dipol has 9 settings but only has one off switch ie: off then 1-9 I dont think this is really a problem but I do like the two off positions on the N1000. The dipol is more money but I haven't got one to compare.

You can get LED lasers I have one on my mono but it only goes 100yrds that said I prefer to use that out to a 100yrds over laser or lamp filter. Then you need to turn the N1000 to see further.

How far do you need to see?

What nv are you using?

What gun?

 

Someone else will be able to tell you exactly what you need if you answer those questions.

Glad you found the last post helpful I can only tell you my experience as I know nothing either about nv(but Im learning slowly)

i need to see out to about 200 yards ihave the atn spartan mk 410 gen1 x5 magnification with the 450 mw infra red on it but it don't go far enougth i have it on a 22 rimfire at the moment but want to put it on my .222 for foxes.if you got yours on 4 at close range is it to bright cheers buddy.

[sako 23]

I wrote an essay for you but then pressed delete and lost it so here it is in short hand:

The N1000 is way to bright on my Yukon under 100yrds. Number 1 is plenty and you'll get more light through yours as it's a dedicated scope where as mine is an add on.

200yrd's I can see plain on 3 but crank it on 4 and it really light's up.

300yrd's I can see the eyes plain but can only see a fox on clear ground ie: field.

Do yourself a favour get the N1000 laser. I put mine on my .22 but because it mounts to my add on I swivelled it so that it was to the left of the gun then swivelled the lamp to the right. I'd lamp for rabbits to save scanning through the scope then lamp off look through the scope and BANG but me and my .22 dont get on YET so more often than not it was a miss even though it looked so simple through the scope. I don't really use the .22 I always shoot a 22-250 for fox and dont really bother with rabbits.Im now in the process of varying my fac so I can stick the add on on a 204(I think).

If you are going to use a lamp IR filter you need to take it on and off which can be noisy as it's hard work scanning through a scope. I've got two blitz lamps which I used to use but obviously needed someone else carrying the lamps. Now if Im going out alone I need no one and with minimum kit. I bought a deben pro for the gun scope because it's smaller than the 170 and as it's a plastic snap on mounting system and it just twists around the scope easily. for lamping alone it suits me for shots upto 300yrds. I have dropped a fox 400 yrds with it but that was more luck than judgement as I could only see it's eyes. My opinion it's gotta be a blitz for them shots. Well this turned into a short story after.

[bouncer 51]

thanks again for that buddy very helpful again.non variable would probably be to bright at 100 yards then.

[sako 23]

I would guess so, but as I've never tried one I cant answer for definate. It wouldn't be to powerful or to blinding to shoot, it will be bright as day but you wont need that much light and would therefore reduce the life of the tube. You may get away with a more powerful led but to be honest I think I'd pay the bit extra for the variable. When you are shooting 100-200 yards if the gun is on a bipod it's easy to adjust the power of the laser with your left hand, it,s a cirular twist switch right at the back of the laser which is simple to just feel for when looking though your scope at the target.

I had exactly the same dilema before buying my laser but didn't get that much info on comarison to the lamp IR.

If Im correct I think I gave nearly £90-£100 for the blitz filter so the 170 isn't going to be that much cheaper I wouldn't think. Have you priced it?

Is your 170 mounted on the gun?

[bouncer 51]

I would guess so, but as I've never tried one I cant answer for definate. It wouldn't be to powerful or to blinding to shoot, it will be bright as day but you wont need that much light and would therefore reduce the life of the tube. You may get away with a more powerful led but to be honest I think I'd pay the bit extra for the variable. When you are shooting 100-200 yards if the gun is on a bipod it's easy to adjust the power of the laser with your left hand, it,s a cirular twist switch right at the back of the laser which is simple to just feel for when looking though your scope at the target.

I had exactly the same dilema before buying my laser but didn't get that much info on comarison to the lamp IR.

If Im correct I think I gave nearly £90-£100 for the blitz filter so the 170 isn't going to be that much cheaper I wouldn't think. Have you priced it?

Is your 170 mounted on the gun?

i did see one for £100 and the lamp is hand held.