Do you need land when applying for a FAC

[Stuart1985 256]

Hello

 

Just wanted to see if anybody could give me some info about apply successfully for a firearms cert without having land?

 

I work as a pest controller will that help my application?

 

I am no going to ask for something i dont require but would like .22lr for rabbit control plus i do have freinds that have land i could go on with.

 

also want to ask farmers locally if i could help in the control of there rabbits etc.

 

just feel that a .22lr would give me more range and a better more humane kill than a air rifle.

 

sorry i am guessing question like this will have been asked a hunderd times

 

Kind regards

 

Stuart

Edited February 16, 2011 by Stuart1985

[Jonophilpott 0]

You have to have land permission slips until you are able to have an "open" ticket which then you can shoot land at your discretion

[lapin2008 1,587]

Hello

 

Just wanted to see if anybody could give me some info about apply successfully for a firearms cert without having land?

 

I work as a pest controller who that help my application?

 

I am no going to ask for something i dont require but would like .22lr for rabbit control plus i do have freinds that have land i could go on with.

 

also want to ask farmers locally if i could help in the control of there rabbits etc.

 

just feel that a .22lr would give me more range and a better more humane kill than a air rifle.

 

sorry i am guessing question like this will have been asked a hunderd times

 

Kind regards

 

Stuart

I think you will struggle to get an FAC without land to shoot it on as you need to show a justifiable reason why you need one. Best to have a word with your mates whos permission/land yu shoot to speak to the owners. Other then that try a club which will allow you to get a rifle but your FAC will still state target shooting only one your ticket until you get that permission/land/reason to have one to shoot vermin etc...

For an 22rf though you dont need to have much land. I got mine through with 5 acres with adjacent roads/houses but depends largely on local police force.

good luck

[jamie g 17]

You have to have land permission slips until you are able to have an "open" ticket which then you can shoot land at your discretion

 

thats not fully true mate. you can shoot on other land with out having it past if you have open fac but you still need permission to shoot the land from farmer/land owner.

 

also to be granted or renewing fac you still have to have land to get the ticket. and even if you have open ticket the land you put forward for renewal still must be past for the firearms you have.

 

silly i know if on open but thats they way they do it

[stubby 175]

are you a working fully quailified pest controller, or do you do pest control in your free time?

 

as if its the first, then it may help you to get an open ticket on first application, but as already stated, you'll still need that first bit of land

[Stuart1985 256]

i am fully quailified pest controller and work for a large pest control company not rentokil

 

I have asked for years for a permision but havent every gotten any where, i am polite and try buy offering my service as a pest controller

[The one 8,467]

Your going to struggle in your area mate ,be better heading north up Perth way more chance of permission on rabbits

[dadioles 68]

To get a FAC you have to prove to the police that you actually need it. Not like a shotgun certificate where they would have to show why you should not have it.

Vermin control (rabbits) is one justification for having an FAC. It is a bit chicken and egg and unfortunately it comes down to knowing the right people, a friendly farmer who will let you shoot his land.

If a landowner asks you to control his rabbits, and gives you that in writing - a "permission" or "land authority" - that is good enough to get you started. It does not have to be a big piece of land, or more than one permission.

Frustrating isn't it.

An "open" ticket simply means that it is up to the shooter to make the decision if the land is suitable (safe) for shooting, the requirement for it to have been "cleared" or "approved" by the police is waived. In effect the shooter clears his own land. The shooter still, of course, needs the prior approval of the landowner and would be a fool not to have that in writing.

You are unlikely to get an open ticket on first application, generally it takes until first renewal but does not hurt to ask.

Is there any chance that your employer could help out, a statement to the effect that they would like to branch out into shooting vermin rather than just squirting wasps and laying poison. It is all about proving a need and that an FAC is the tool for the job.

[HUnter_zero 58]

firearms cert without having land?

 

You need "suitable" land before you can be granted a firearms certificate. The land has to be suitable for the calibres you require, with suitable quarry.

 

 

I work as a pest controller will that help my application?

 

 

Never helped with my applications.

 

John

[stubby 175]

You are unlikely to get an open ticket on first application, generally it takes until first renewal but does not hurt to ask.

 

 

 

 

I work as a pest controller will that help my application?

 

 

Never helped with my applications.

 

John

 

maybe its down to how you come across in the interview with the FAO then, as yes I mentioned pest control job, would be a fool not too, but also asked for an "open ticket" on first application, had 2 pieces of land with permission, and yes, recieved my open ticket, although was refussed a section 1 shotgun,

[lapin2008 1,587]

You are unlikely to get an open ticket on first application, generally it takes until first renewal but does not hurt to ask.

 

 

 

 

I work as a pest controller will that help my application?

 

 

Never helped with my applications.

 

John

 

maybe its down to how you come across in the interview with the FAO then, as yes I mentioned pest control job, would be a fool not too, but also asked for an "open ticket" on first application, had 2 pieces of land with permission, and yes, recieved my open ticket, although was refussed a section 1 shotgun,

 

I also got an open ticket on first application. I asked the FEO to pass a five acre field for the rimfire, but also said I had few thousand more acres which i also shoot on which i will need to use the rifle on but don't want to put them down as I don't want you to have to bother all my other landowners. He didn't have an issue with it. I can imagine though its one of those things that depends on local police force/FEO/interview etc

[matt_hooks 188]

To get a FAC you have to prove to the police that you actually need it.

 

Wrong.

 

The firearms act specifically states that you should have "good reason" to hold. It goes on to state that "good reason should not be equated with need".

 

I don't "need" the .22 that I use for controlling ground vermin and the like, but those reasons are "reasonable cause to hold"

 

It's a narrow distinction, but there nonetheless!

 

The act does say that "reasonable cause" should not be equated with desire either, so "I want one" is not reasonable cause.

[jamie g 17]

i no a pest controler that got open on 1st ticket. he still had to put land forward though.

 

with you being in scotland im sure if you can find some ground to put forward. your ticket might be open from start any how.

 

as alot of people on here from over the border have open from start

[kev1986 0]

on the application does it not give you a part were each caliber is to be used on the right hand side of the boxes were you state calibers and action etc , also i know that they do get signed to a piece of land and when i got my certs i had to send them copys of permission letters i had this may just be my county being fussy but i would deffo say try get your self some land first mate

atb

kev

[dadioles 68]

To get a FAC you have to prove to the police that you actually need it.

 

Wrong.

 

The firearms act specifically states that you should have "good reason" to hold. It goes on to state that "good reason should not be equated with need".

 

I don't "need" the .22 that I use for controlling ground vermin and the like, but those reasons are "reasonable cause to hold"

 

It's a narrow distinction, but there nonetheless!

 

The act does say that "reasonable cause" should not be equated with desire either, so "I want one" is not reasonable cause.

 

Quite right Matt, I was not precise enough in my choice of words. The point I was trying to get across was that for a firearms certificate you have to pursuade the police to let you have one ".... good reason for each firearm ...". For a shotgun certificate it is up to the police to make a case for you not to have one "... application may not be refused merely because an applicant wants to possess but not use a shotgun ....".

But as I said, you are correct with your wording, thanks. Careful though, if you don't need the .22 then you have no reason to own it! (smile).