pigsy 34 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Why dont you all stop your cryin about the show and the price of the entry fees etc. I travel all over Ireland and Northern Ireland to compete at shows regardless of costs etc.. Is it not about meeting people and having a good sporting day with ur dogs etc?? That;s what I thought it was all about anyway.. Just goes to show where the lurcher world is headin when people have this kind of attitude.. Albert has gone out of his way to accomodate the folk that seem to want evrything for nothing or near enough that. I personally think its great that people are coming up with new ideas and things that we can compete in. You haveta be in the game.. Cant people just be grateful for out sport instead of letting it go to the dogs literally.. Ive got 7 dogs and we race and show every single one of them and travel a minimum of 2 hours to every show and you dont see me crying about prices. Dannyboi I am so pleased that u can afford to fill the car van what ever with diesel and travel 2 hours you must have a well paid job I work hard all week if I can get a full weeks work And I am sure I am not the only one getting it tight with money in this climate I work my lurchers in the winter andcant afford to spend my summer and my money hunting rosettes and watch the dogs bag chase you must do plent of lampin ferretin etc to have 7 dogs and work them all and keep them fit in the winter months Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannyboi 10 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Why dont you all stop your cryin about the show and the price of the entry fees etc. I travel all over Ireland and Northern Ireland to compete at shows regardless of costs etc.. Is it not about meeting people and having a good sporting day with ur dogs etc?? That;s what I thought it was all about anyway.. Just goes to show where the lurcher world is headin when people have this kind of attitude.. Albert has gone out of his way to accomodate the folk that seem to want evrything for nothing or near enough that. I personally think its great that people are coming up with new ideas and things that we can compete in. You haveta be in the game.. Cant people just be grateful for out sport instead of letting it go to the dogs literally.. Ive got 7 dogs and we race and show every single one of them and travel a minimum of 2 hours to every show and you dont see me crying about prices. Dannyboi I am so pleased that u can afford to fill the car van what ever with diesel and travel 2 hours you must have a well paid job I work hard all week if I can get a full weeks work And I am sure I am not the only one getting it tight with money in this climate I work my lurchers in the winter andcant afford to spend my summer and my money hunting rosettes and watch the dogs bag chase you must do plent of lampin ferretin etc to have 7 dogs and work them all and keep them fit in the winter months Its actually me and my dad that travel to the shows and own the dogs between us.. ive three dogs and him 4 bitches...we travel around because we love the sport and meeting up with everyone at the shows...a dont go out hunting rosettes.. i go for the days crack and if i win i win.. if a dont fair play..a better dog did on the day... the dogs actually get a cuple a months rest after the racin season and lay off fer a wile.. then they start their working and their fitness.. I put evrything I have into my dogs and as some people will know it has showed in the last cuple of years..All I was saying was tht people should be welcoming new ideas and not letting our sport vanish into thin air as thats what is guna happen.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 791 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Why dont you all stop your cryin about the show and the price of the entry fees etc. I travel all over Ireland and Northern Ireland to compete at shows regardless of costs etc.. Is it not about meeting people and having a good sporting day with ur dogs etc?? That;s what I thought it was all about anyway.. Just goes to show where the lurcher world is headin when people have this kind of attitude.. Albert has gone out of his way to accomodate the folk that seem to want evrything for nothing or near enough that. I personally think its great that people are coming up with new ideas and things that we can compete in. You haveta be in the game.. Cant people just be grateful for out sport instead of letting it go to the dogs literally.. Ive got 7 dogs and we race and show every single one of them and travel a minimum of 2 hours to every show and you dont see me crying about prices. Dannyboi I am so pleased that u can afford to fill the car van what ever with diesel and travel 2 hours you must have a well paid job I work hard all week if I can get a full weeks work And I am sure I am not the only one getting it tight with money in this climate I work my lurchers in the winter andcant afford to spend my summer and my money hunting rosettes and watch the dogs bag chase you must do plent of lampin ferretin etc to have 7 dogs and work them all and keep them fit in the winter months Its actually me and my dad that travel to the shows and own the dogs between us.. ive three dogs and him 4 bitches...we travel around because we love the sport and meeting up with everyone at the shows...a dont go out hunting rosettes.. i go for the days crack and if i win i win.. if a dont fair play..a better dog did on the day... the dogs actually get a cuple a months rest after the racin season and lay off fer a wile.. then they start their working and their fitness.. I put evrything I have into my dogs and as some people will know it has showed in the last cuple of years..All I was saying was tht people should be welcoming new ideas and not letting our sport vanish into thin air as thats what is guna happen.. Is your da BH? Which 2 month do you lay your dogs off after the racing season?(Did n't know there was a season for racing?) By "not letting our sport vanish into thin air" Lurchers were bred for pot filling NOT pot hunting Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannyboi 10 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Why dont you all stop your cryin about the show and the price of the entry fees etc. I travel all over Ireland and Northern Ireland to compete at shows regardless of costs etc.. Is it not about meeting people and having a good sporting day with ur dogs etc?? That;s what I thought it was all about anyway.. Just goes to show where the lurcher world is headin when people have this kind of attitude.. Albert has gone out of his way to accomodate the folk that seem to want evrything for nothing or near enough that. I personally think its great that people are coming up with new ideas and things that we can compete in. You haveta be in the game.. Cant people just be grateful for out sport instead of letting it go to the dogs literally.. Ive got 7 dogs and we race and show every single one of them and travel a minimum of 2 hours to every show and you dont see me crying about prices. Dannyboi I am so pleased that u can afford to fill the car van what ever with diesel and travel 2 hours you must have a well paid job I work hard all week if I can get a full weeks work And I am sure I am not the only one getting it tight with money in this climate I work my lurchers in the winter andcant afford to spend my summer and my money hunting rosettes and watch the dogs bag chase you must do plent of lampin ferretin etc to have 7 dogs and work them all and keep them fit in the winter months Its actually me and my dad that travel to the shows and own the dogs between us.. ive three dogs and him 4 bitches...we travel around because we love the sport and meeting up with everyone at the shows...a dont go out hunting rosettes.. i go for the days crack and if i win i win.. if a dont fair play..a better dog did on the day... the dogs actually get a cuple a months rest after the racin season and lay off fer a wile.. then they start their working and their fitness.. I put evrything I have into my dogs and as some people will know it has showed in the last cuple of years..All I was saying was tht people should be welcoming new ideas and not letting our sport vanish into thin air as thats what is guna happen.. Is your da BH? Which 2 month do you lay your dogs off after the racing season?(Did n't know there was a season for racing?) By "not letting our sport vanish into thin air" Lurchers were bred for pot filling NOT pot hunting Y.I.S Leeview well theres the racing season that the shows run...normally from April to September and then a few inbtween...if u wanna attack me for what i do go on ahead. i don;t have to defend what i do..What I do with my dogs is my own choice as is evryone else's choice.. i race and show my dogs and they get a bita hunting and work..atm i have nli pups so dont hunt them as there too young..mi dogs were bred for racing and thats what they mainly do!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsy 34 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Dannyboy Dont come on here telling us to stop whinning and how wonderful you are racing and show your dogs with the min of 2 hour journey if I think it is too expensive too show the dogs and wish to say that is my right freedom of speech and all that fair play if you only race and trophy hunt that is entirly up to you and I am not telling you any different wont like to pick your bill up for birr between fuel entry in the show and 7 dogs to show and race Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannyboi 10 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Dannyboy Dont come on here telling us to stop whinning and how wonderful you are racing and show your dogs with the min of 2 hour journey if I think it is too expensive too show the dogs and wish to say that is my right freedom of speech and all that fair play if you only race and trophy hunt that is entirly up to you and I am not telling you any different wont like to pick your bill up for birr between fuel entry in the show and 7 dogs to show and race Im not saying how wonderful I am racing anf showing my dogs. what i am saying is that us folks that do show and race our dogs do need new incentives and ideas as the shows are getting less and less every year and soon down the line theyl be nothing there for us to go to.If you think its too expensive as someone else has previously said on here if you don't like it don't go.. I'll go too any expense for mi dogs..You'l not be piking my bill so all's good..And Im not a trophy hunter..I know people who are but that's not me..I do it for the days crak and to give the dogs a wee run too... if i win nethin its a bonus.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kegs 40 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Why dont you all stop your cryin about the show and the price of the entry fees etc. I travel all over Ireland and Northern Ireland to compete at shows regardless of costs etc.. Is it not about meeting people and having a good sporting day with ur dogs etc?? That;s what I thought it was all about anyway.. Just goes to show where the lurcher world is headin when people have this kind of attitude.. Albert has gone out of his way to accomodate the folk that seem to want evrything for nothing or near enough that. I personally think its great that people are coming up with new ideas and things that we can compete in. You haveta be in the game.. Cant people just be grateful for out sport instead of letting it go to the dogs literally.. Ive got 7 dogs and we race and show every single one of them and travel a minimum of 2 hours to every show and you dont see me crying about prices. dannyboi dont tell me im cryin,its called discussion,5 euro is takin the piss when the prizes are much the same as any other show.where is all this talk about less shows every year coming from as there is far more shows now than 6 years ago,why are you defending shanes and birr when youre the ones who got barred a few years back over a dispute on winning with mawtlc.and before you slate me i was there and you were robbed thats if you are BH,if youre not then dont worry about it. so you race and show youre dogs great and fair play,with out the show people there wouldnt be shows so good enough,but dont slate the hunting people of the south for complaining when we get charge near double than you do at shanes,as ive said before fair play to albert and i mean it,but the mawltc refuse to answer and thats why he gets the stick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 791 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Is your da BH? Which 2 month do you lay your dogs off after the racing season?(Did n't know there was a season for racing?) By "not letting our sport vanish into thin air" Lurchers were bred for pot filling NOT pot hunting Y.I.S Leeview well theres the racing season that the shows run...normally from April to September and then a few inbtween...if u wanna attack me for what i do go on ahead. i don;t have to defend what i do..What I do with my dogs is my own choice as is evryone else's choice.. i race and show my dogs and they get a bita hunting and work..atm i have nli pups so dont hunt them as there too young..mi dogs were bred for racing and thats what they mainly do!! So K***ty you dont work your dogs on game? Just rags it is your choice BUT why run them at a lurcher and terrier show against genuine lads with working dogs? As you say your dogs are bred for racing and thats what you mainly do OK Albert this is where your prize money is going not to working lurcher lads but people with purpose bred race dogs Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsy 34 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Dannyboy Dont come on here telling us to stop whinning and how wonderful you are racing and show your dogs with the min of 2 hour journey if I think it is too expensive too show the dogs and wish to say that is my right freedom of speech and all that fair play if you only race and trophy hunt that is entirly up to you and I am not telling you any different wont like to pick your bill up for birr between fuel entry in the show and 7 dogs to show and race Im not saying how wonderful I am racing anf showing my dogs. what i am saying is that us folks that do show and race our dogs do need new incentives and ideas as the shows are getting less and less every year and soon down the line theyl be nothing there for us to go to.If you think its too expensive as someone else has previously said on here if you don't like it don't go.. I'll go too any expense for mi dogs..You'l not be piking my bill so all's good..And Im not a trophy hunter..I know people who are but that's not me..I do it for the days crak and to give the dogs a wee run too... if i win nethin its a bonus.. Dannyboi your opening commet is stop crying dont come on here telling anyone what to do No one is on at Albert as it is the mid antrim terrier&lurcher club that sets the ring prices if you read a reply from me on her iI said I would not be going to Birr as it was too expensive if racing is your thing why not go greyhound rscing it is on all year. Or you would sooner spend your summer racing working lurchers with with lurchers that are breed back to a greyhound for the 6 or 7 generations Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted March 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I would turn your question round and ask which UK or Irish game or country fair ( with equivalent prizes) offers a better deal than two days admission and an entry into the lurcher racing and a show class for €7 more than the normal admission fee? I will finish off and say that the concession agreed this year will stand this year and I will revisit it with the MA in 2012. This is not me being 'arrogant' simply sticking by a deal I came to. Albertj [Albert lets clear this one up WHY CANT THE LURCHER SHOW AND RACING BE ON THE SAME DAY? one day for lurchers and the other for terriers Y.I.S Leeview Leeview, At last a positive suggestion and one that merits discussion. I assume both terrier & lurcher people would prefer to have the Sunday. But do lets have feedback on this. However this year as I have repeated time and again T&L enthusiasts can go two days to the fair and run their dog on the Saturday for €17. After that they can choose to enter as many dogs in as many classes as they want at €5 a class. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted March 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 AlbertJ Just as a matter of interest who actually pays for the rosettes and trophies and prize money for the shows, as I understand it's around £4 for each entry into the lurcher & terrier classes which goes to the Mid Antrim club. If they are providing the rosettes and trophies then they do need recompense even though it seems quite dear, if they are not then why does it need to be that expensive as they have not imo had a significant outlay to justify it. It seems you haven't answered my question yet which is a shame as if it is the MA club providing everything then people would perhaps understand better why it's so expensive to enter a class. Dukie, Not ducking the question as you may have guessed I was away last week. Dare I say it - a minor invasion of Just Huntin's country! This year the MA Terrier Club costs will include : Travel,some judges expenses & gifts, accommodation; class trophies; rosettes, insurance and a donation to a charity of my choice ( previously their own choice). In addition they have some tasks to fulfill in terms of promoting the show. Obviously they are not getting any revenue on the Saturday - so overall its not quite the 'gravy train' that people think it is. What is clear is that people who choose to come both days are getting a good deal and obviously a better one than last year BUT I have said I will look again at the whole issue in 2012 - incuding Leeview's ideas of an entry fee for the first class followed by nominal entry fees for other classes such as happens in KC shows and/or his idea of a dedicated day for each , breed. Now lets have some positive discussion on these ideas. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsy 34 Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 May be I am being silly here But here goes in the interest of the blokes and ladies with 4 or more lurcgers whippet terriera etc why cant they pay for a conession stamp on the their hand this set at a price giving them dicount in the show ring enabling them to afford to show their dogs after all the rossette for first and reserve still cost the same if there is 1 dog or 12 in the ring Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted March 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) May be I am being silly here But here goes in the interest of the blokes and ladies with 4 or more lurcgers whippet terriera etc why cant they pay for a conession stamp on the their hand this set at a price giving them dicount in the show ring enabling them to afford to show their dogs after all the rossette for first and reserve still cost the same if there is 1 dog or 12 in the ring Pigsy, Another suggestion that will be taken on board when we discuss 2012. I have three colleagues for Birr and four for Shanes. Each group usually meets once a month ( or six weeks) and we like to have our arrangements and budgets for everything in place at the beginning of the year. Having persuaded my colleagues to invest more money in the terriers & lurchers and at the same time offering admission concessions my colleagues are becoming increasingly frustrated by the fact that unlike our other sports and competitions the T&L fratermity like Oliver Twist come back asking for 'more and more'. To sum up they already have lower entry fees than any other sport; they have as good a prize structure as any other sport and I have given a unique two day concession. No other group has had more attention paid to them this year and in spite of the sums bandied about by people doing very simple arithmetic it is likely that our gate receipts from the T&L will not cover the costs associated with staging the event. As you can appreciate it is difficult to persuade my colleagues that I am making a sensible investment when our fairs take flack for pumping more money into a sporting event! So at our last directors' meetings I stated that our last agreement i.e. €2 sweepstakes first day ( with no fees going to the organising club who would meet their costs out of the second day) and two day admission to all entrants for the racing on the first day. would be the last change to this year's programme. Thus any new ideas such as your current one will be looked at for 2012. Albertj Edited March 22, 2011 by AlbertJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fionn 21 Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 right albert iv sold a pup for 150 sterling a while back thinking of keeping it for birr what will entrance fee plus entrance for each dog be in sterling.there so much on topic its hard to know how much the day is going to cost ill have 4 terrier the wife and two kids plus my brother how much in euro and sterling will the day cost before i buy food drinks petrol etc urs on the dole fionn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 791 Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I would turn your question round and ask which UK or Irish game or country fair ( with equivalent prizes) offers a better deal than two days admission and an entry into the lurcher racing and a show class for €7 more than the normal admission fee? I will finish off and say that the concession agreed this year will stand this year and I will revisit it with the MA in 2012. This is not me being 'arrogant' simply sticking by a deal I came to. Albertj [Albert lets clear this one up WHY CANT THE LURCHER SHOW AND RACING BE ON THE SAME DAY? one day for lurchers and the other for terriers Y.I.S Leeview Leeview, At last a positive suggestion and one that merits discussion. I assume both terrier & lurcher people would prefer to have the Sunday. But do lets have feedback on this. However this year as I have repeated time and again T&L enthusiasts can go two days to the fair and run their dog on the Saturday for €17. After that they can choose to enter as many dogs in as many classes as they want at €5 a class. Albertj Alternate them annually Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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