Modifying my AA S200 for fit.

[toxo 160]

Hi Guys.

 

Hope someone can help. Only had my S200 for a short while and like it a lot. Trouble is it doesn't fit properly. I feel sort of hunched over it and struggle to get the correct eye relief on the scope. Because of the limited scope rails on the S200 I can't move the scope forward so am thinking maybe I can lengthen the butt. How do I get the rubber pad off? And are there any butt extensions made for the S200? The butt length is so short I can't imagine I'm the first to ask this question.

 

Also, I can't make up my mind which multi shot magazine to go for. I seem to remember reading that the AA one is higher than the Rowan. Is this much of a difference as it's something to take into account if I have to move the scope.

I like the idea of the auto indexing on the AA but not the plastics. Has anyone had an AA mag for a while without any trouble? I'm also a little confused about "magazine kits", "spare magazines" and "magazine inserts" as I saw on the Uttings site. The Rowan site is no better for explaning. Why does everyone assume that we know everything already even though we've come to the site to buy one?

 

Please help a newbie.

I'm trying to get everything as right as I can at the start rather than keep messing with my setup later.

Thanks. Paul

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Hi Guys.

 

Hope someone can help. Only had my S200 for a short while and like it a lot. Trouble is it doesn't fit properly. I feel sort of hunched over it and struggle to get the correct eye relief on the scope. Because of the limited scope rails on the S200 I can't move the scope forward so am thinking maybe I can lengthen the butt. How do I get the rubber pad off? And are there any butt extensions made for the S200? The butt length is so short I can't imagine I'm the first to ask this question.

 

Also, I can't make up my mind which multi shot magazine to go for. I seem to remember reading that the AA one is higher than the Rowan. Is this much of a difference as it's something to take into account if I have to move the scope.

I like the idea of the auto indexing on the AA but not the plastics. Has anyone had an AA mag for a while without any trouble? I'm also a little confused about "magazine kits", "spare magazines" and "magazine inserts" as I saw on the Uttings site. The Rowan site is no better for explaning. Why does everyone assume that we know everything already even though we've come to the site to buy one?

 

Please help a newbie.

I'm trying to get everything as right as I can at the start rather than keep messing with my setup later.

Thanks. Paul

 

 

Hi Paul.

 

If you have a look in the custom stock thread, I have put a bit in there about stock fitting and other changes pages 9/10 I think.

 

I hope some of whats in there is of help to you

 

If you look carfully at the butt pad, you will see two very small marks, top and bottom, push a cross head screw driver into these marks, and into the pad, you will find the two screws that hold on the pad

 

Getting the fit right is very worth the effort mate.

 

 

ATB.

 

 

Bill.

[toxo 160]

Hi Guys.

 

Hope someone can help. Only had my S200 for a short while and like it a lot. Trouble is it doesn't fit properly. I feel sort of hunched over it and struggle to get the correct eye relief on the scope. Because of the limited scope rails on the S200 I can't move the scope forward so am thinking maybe I can lengthen the butt. How do I get the rubber pad off? And are there any butt extensions made for the S200? The butt length is so short I can't imagine I'm the first to ask this question.

 

Also, I can't make up my mind which multi shot magazine to go for. I seem to remember reading that the AA one is higher than the Rowan. Is this much of a difference as it's something to take into account if I have to move the scope.

I like the idea of the auto indexing on the AA but not the plastics. Has anyone had an AA mag for a while without any trouble? I'm also a little confused about "magazine kits", "spare magazines" and "magazine inserts" as I saw on the Uttings site. The Rowan site is no better for explaning. Why does everyone assume that we know everything already even though we've come to the site to buy one?

 

Please help a newbie.

I'm trying to get everything as right as I can at the start rather than keep messing with my setup later.

Thanks. Paul

 

 

Hi Paul.

 

If you have a look in the custom stock thread, I have put a bit in there about stock fitting and other changes pages 9/10 I think.

 

I hope some of whats in there is of help to you

 

If you look carfully at the butt pad, you will see two very small marks, top and bottom, push a cross head screw driver into these marks, and into the pad, you will find the two screws that hold on the pad

 

Getting the fit right is very worth the effort mate.

 

 

ATB.

 

 

Bill.

 

Well I looked and I looked and then I got the "good" glasses out and looked again. Then I got the magnifying glass WITH the "good" glasses and had another look, all with the same result. Nothing could I see! But Bill said so I got a screwdriver and had a stab at where they would be if I were drilling those holes and there they were the little suckers. Thanks Bill.

 

I actually read your custom stock thread in the wee small hours of the night (sleep patterns gone completely pear shaped, zzzzzzzzzzz oops sorry. Where was I?). Well done on a great job by the way, especially with no tools. Top marks. BUT you didn't mention where to get the goodies like butt plates or extensions.

 

I actually had a thought that rather than do all the mods, It might be an idea to trade up to the S4** assuming it's a better fit. Then again I like the idea of walking around the fields with a light gun like the S200. Mmmm! I've got lots of thin lightweight foam around so I might just roughly fashion some fill in pieces and try it for fit. I'm assuming I'm going to put a stanley knife or somesuch through the join of the two layers of rubber. Is this the way?

 

atb Paul

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Hi Guys.

 

Hope someone can help. Only had my S200 for a short while and like it a lot. Trouble is it doesn't fit properly. I feel sort of hunched over it and struggle to get the correct eye relief on the scope. Because of the limited scope rails on the S200 I can't move the scope forward so am thinking maybe I can lengthen the butt. How do I get the rubber pad off? And are there any butt extensions made for the S200? The butt length is so short I can't imagine I'm the first to ask this question.

 

Also, I can't make up my mind which multi shot magazine to go for. I seem to remember reading that the AA one is higher than the Rowan. Is this much of a difference as it's something to take into account if I have to move the scope.

I like the idea of the auto indexing on the AA but not the plastics. Has anyone had an AA mag for a while without any trouble? I'm also a little confused about "magazine kits", "spare magazines" and "magazine inserts" as I saw on the Uttings site. The Rowan site is no better for explaning. Why does everyone assume that we know everything already even though we've come to the site to buy one?

 

Please help a newbie.

I'm trying to get everything as right as I can at the start rather than keep messing with my setup later.

Thanks. Paul

 

 

Hi Paul.

 

If you have a look in the custom stock thread, I have put a bit in there about stock fitting and other changes pages 9/10 I think.

 

I hope some of whats in there is of help to you

 

If you look carfully at the butt pad, you will see two very small marks, top and bottom, push a cross head screw driver into these marks, and into the pad, you will find the two screws that hold on the pad

 

Getting the fit right is very worth the effort mate.

 

 

ATB.

 

 

Bill.

 

Well I looked and I looked and then I got the "good" glasses out and looked again. Then I got the magnifying glass WITH the "good" glasses and had another look, all with the same result. Nothing could I see! But Bill said so I got a screwdriver and had a stab at where they would be if I were drilling those holes and there they were the little suckers. Thanks Bill.

 

I actually read your custom stock thread in the wee small hours of the night (sleep patterns gone completely pear shaped, zzzzzzzzzzz oops sorry. Where was I?). Well done on a great job by the way, especially with no tools. Top marks. BUT you didn't mention where to get the goodies like butt plates or extensions.

 

I actually had a thought that rather than do all the mods, It might be an idea to trade up to the S4** assuming it's a better fit. Then again I like the idea of walking around the fields with a light gun like the S200. Mmmm! I've got lots of thin lightweight foam around so I might just roughly fashion some fill in pieces and try it for fit. I'm assuming I'm going to put a stanley knife or somesuch through the join of the two layers of rubber. Is this the way?

 

atb Paul

 

 

Hi Paul.

 

Glad you found the screws mate.......and there was me thinking I was the only blind bugger on here, nice to have company

 

The adjustable butt pads are made by Bisley, there are others out there.

You can find them easily on the net, or at your local RFD.

I you want to make your own spacers, Tesco sell the nylon chopping boards quite cheap.

They are easy to cut and shape.

 

Try and find your natural length of pull, using the method I put up on the custom stock section, it is a good guide.

 

You will get a rough idea of how much length you need to add buddy.

 

As for changing to a 400, up to you mate, they do a super lite version now aswell.

 

Keep us posted how you get on mate.

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

[baconbuttie 0]

I you want to make your own spacers, Tesco sell the nylon chopping boards quite cheap.

They are easy to cut and shape.

Blindin' idea ! I've recently been thinking about material to make spacers for my S200T, never thought of a chopping board. Cheers.

Edited February 13, 2011 by baconbuttie

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

I you want to make your own spacers, Tesco sell the nylon chopping boards quite cheap.

They are easy to cut and shape.

Blindin' idea ! I've recently been thinking about material to make spacers for my S200T, never thought of a chopping board. Cheers.

 

 

Hi BB.

 

Glad you found it of use mate, they do different colours too

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

[Karpman 44]

After info on best multi shot converter also!

 

Or they both about the same? Would like self indexing though.

 

Any advise would be great, Love me S200.

 

Karpman

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Hi Karp.

 

Without doubt the AA multi adaptor is brilliant, I have one on my s200.

Never had a spot of bother with it.

 

Follow instructions on fitting, and DO NOT overtighten the screws mate.

 

The Rowen ones are very nice, but not self indexing.

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

Bill.

[Karpman 44]

Hi Karp.

 

Without doubt the AA multi adaptor is brilliant, I have one on my s200.

Never had a spot of bother with it.

 

Follow instructions on fitting, and DO NOT overtighten the screws mate.

 

The Rowen ones are very nice, but not self indexing.

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

Bill.

 

Cheers pal,

 

AA one it is then! Gonna extend me stock via but plate as suggested too, Get a black chopping board and get hacking. Also want to rub me stock down and give the plainish looking grain a black wash then re oil/varnish in clear matt.

 

Any suggestions on materials very welcome!

 

karpman

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Hi Karp.

 

Without doubt the AA multi adaptor is brilliant, I have one on my s200.

Never had a spot of bother with it.

 

Follow instructions on fitting, and DO NOT overtighten the screws mate.

 

The Rowen ones are very nice, but not self indexing.

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

Bill.

 

Cheers pal,

 

AA one it is then! Gonna extend me stock via but plate as suggested too, Get a black chopping board and get hacking. Also want to rub me stock down and give the plainish looking grain a black wash then re oil/varnish in clear matt.

 

Any suggestions on materials very welcome!

 

karpman

 

 

Hiya Karpman.

 

After you rub the stock down well, dust it off, and then wipe over with a lint free cloth dampend with turps/white spirit.

 

Just a suggestion......if you use a SOLVENT based wood stain on the wood, you will still be able to see the grain of the timber through it.

Being solvent based, it will accept a nice stock oil too, no need to varish

 

Read the instructions on the tin buddy, and shake it till your arm drops off before applying

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

[Karpman 44]

Hi Karp.

 

Without doubt the AA multi adaptor is brilliant, I have one on my s200.

Never had a spot of bother with it.

 

Follow instructions on fitting, and DO NOT overtighten the screws mate.

 

The Rowen ones are very nice, but not self indexing.

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

 

Cheers pal,

 

AA one it is then! Gonna extend me stock via but plate as suggested too, Get a black chopping board and get hacking. Also want to rub me stock down and give the plainish looking grain a black wash then re oil/varnish in clear matt.

 

Any suggestions on materials very welcome!

 

karpman

 

 

Hiya Karpman.

 

After you rub the stock down well, dust it off, and then wipe over with a lint free cloth dampend with turps/white spirit.

 

Just a suggestion......if you use a SOLVENT based wood stain on the wood, you will still be able to see the grain of the timber through it.

Being solvent based, it will accept a nice stock oil too, no need to varish

 

Read the instructions on the tin buddy, and shake it till your arm drops off before applying

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

Thanks for the tips pal, The father in law gets discount at the hardware store being old and all lol, Gonna knock me self out on solvents this weekend

 

Can you get the solvent based stains in a black or color mate, Sounds just like the effect I'm after just to jazz it up a little. I love the 2 piece stock on the mk 2 s200 just lacks a little shabaz.

And don't fancy the plastcote route not until I have fecked every other avenue up .

 

Time to get a stock key also!

 

Cheers mate karpman

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Hi Karp.

 

Without doubt the AA multi adaptor is brilliant, I have one on my s200.

Never had a spot of bother with it.

 

Follow instructions on fitting, and DO NOT overtighten the screws mate.

 

The Rowen ones are very nice, but not self indexing.

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

 

Cheers pal,

 

AA one it is then! Gonna extend me stock via but plate as suggested too, Get a black chopping board and get hacking. Also want to rub me stock down and give the plainish looking grain a black wash then re oil/varnish in clear matt.

 

Any suggestions on materials very welcome!

 

karpman

 

 

Hiya Karpman.

 

After you rub the stock down well, dust it off, and then wipe over with a lint free cloth dampend with turps/white spirit.

 

Just a suggestion......if you use a SOLVENT based wood stain on the wood, you will still be able to see the grain of the timber through it.

Being solvent based, it will accept a nice stock oil too, no need to varish

 

Read the instructions on the tin buddy, and shake it till your arm drops off before applying

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

Thanks for the tips pal, The father in law gets discount at the hardware store being old and all lol, Gonna knock me self out on solvents this weekend

 

Can you get the solvent based stains in a black or color mate, Sounds just like the effect I'm after just to jazz it up a little. I love the 2 piece stock on the mk 2 s200 just lacks a little shabaz.

And don't fancy the plastcote route not until I have fecked every other avenue up .

 

Time to get a stock key also!

 

Cheers mate karpman

 

 

Go for "Rustins" solvent stain if you can get it, and yes, they do come in black.

Hardware store might have it, but a decorators merchant would be better.

[matt_hooks 188]

Best place for wood stains is a woodworkers merchant, somewhere that caters for the hobby turners and the like. They usually hold a big stock of all sorts of stains, and can give good advice on using them too!

 

The only one I know of is in Bedford, they have a website that you can order stuff off too, Bedford Tool and Saw company clickybut I'm sure there must be others!

Edited February 16, 2011 by matt_hooks

[toxo 160]

I didn't realise this thread was still going. Must've forgot to "watch" it.

Anyway, Karpman we seem to be on a parallel plane. I too thought about which mag to go for and I too have decided to go with the AA. I think There might be a problem though with the limited scope rails on the S200 if you extend the butt. I've extended my butt (rifle) by around an inch temporarily and I'm not sure that I've finished yet. This brings the eye relief point further back and both my scopes are "zoom" ones. The zoom ring means it's going to be difficult to site the scope bearing in mind that the AA mag takes up some of the space on the back rail. Can't be sure cos I don't know yet exactly how much space they take up plus the height of the scope mounts to clear the mag is also critical because most "zoom rings have a slope that may well allow some tolerance because from the pics I've seen of the AA mag, that also has a slope to it.

I think the whole scope rail/butt length thing was carefully worked out specifically for the shorter armed person.

I'll put up some pics tomorrow to see if I can make it clearer.

Maybe someone else has had the same problem?

[toxo 160]

First pic shows the (unfinished) extended butt. I've used layers of the kind of foam you get in camera cases. I have lots of this if you want any posted Karpman. I think it makes good extension material although don't know how I'll finish it when it comes to it. Best thing is you can add/subtract layers easily.

 

http://www.unusual-gifts.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Scope016.jpg

 

This pic shows where I was trying to find a place for the scope where i would have the correct eye relief. In this pic the scope really wants to come back a bit but the turret block won't allow so it's got to go to the back block.

 

http://www.unusual-gifts.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Scope003.jpg

 

This pic shows it on the back blocks but now the scope wants to go farward a bit for me. Have the eyepiece right out cos trying to sort it indoors so will get a bit forward on that plus can probably gain another 1/4 of an inch by overhanging the front block a bit. I'll probably leave it somewhere here and extend the butt a little bit more which should feel good.

All I've got to worry about now is the height of the scope mounts bearing in mind the mag has to go under the turret block and not the tube. How that will affect the eye line I have no idea.

Can anyone provide the clearance measurement for the AA mag? And also, what scope mounts to buy? Do they just come in low/medium/high or are there variations?

 

http://www.unusual-gifts.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Scope030.jpg