Terrier Club in Ireland

[Johnny85 50]

I think the "terrier club in ireland" post has been deleted. If it has, to the Mods I am sorry in advance for bringing the subject back up. But I would like to suggest the objectives of a club in Ireland. This is just my opinion and only making a suggestion.

To me the following should be the goals of a club:

 

1. Accept all like minded men/women who share the same respect for their dogs and game what ever that be.

2. That as a large group the could avail of group discounts in insurance, feed, equipment etc.

3. That the club would become affiliated to the HAI (Hunting Assoc of Ireland) or Countryside Allinace. If the club was to be a member of the HAI it could avial of some perks, for example all HAI registered packs will be exempt certain parts of the up coming Puppy Farm Bill.

4. By forming a club we could approach various TD.s and get backing for our sport in exchange for the club members support/vote.

5. More than ever the sport of terriers needs a political wing, like Barry Wade in the UK to tactifully fight our corner and promote the positves of our sport.

6. Organise training sessions for new comers in relation to small things like back-filling, recognising signs of badgers, basic dog welfare etc.

7. A list of useful contacts e.g. a man in cork with a JCB, or a hunting solicator in Kilkenny to defend someone, with a knowledge of dog work.

8. Publish a magazine featuring upcoming events, news of good digs/rescues, details of stud dogs or litters for sale.

9. A website similar to magazine.

10. A text service for rescues or meetings or if there anti's on the radio to ring up and so on.

As i say this is only my ideas and suggestion. Please do not turn this into a slagging match. I am heavily involved in the politics of the HAI and behind scenes work that is going on now coming up to elections time. It is now we need unity in numbers to promote and work actively to defend our sport. Maybe a club is not the answer but I think we should make an effort. Maybe if an Irish club is not wanted we could enlarge the UK clubs or approach the CAI or HAI to include a terrier man section. I hope this does not piss off anyone.

 

Good hunting

 

Johnny 85

[FightTheBan 1,147]

The only way I see such a thing working is if you differentiate between people actively involved in earthdogs and those who are not.

If you can't it will all end in tears.

 

FTB

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Irish terrier men /north /south

 

It' s easy to sit back and do nothing carry on in small groups help each other when need be.

but we live in a different world, over here we did not really think it would happen but when

it came to the wire the mfha assosation would have threw terrier work in the hat to save fox hunting

if it was not for BARRY WADE, working with all the terrier clubs to get some sort of terrier work

we would now have a complete ban , no its not perfect but they listened to them as a club with many

members the membership was the key the more you have the stronger your voice i know nothing

of Irish law or hai etc but learn from are mistakes. ignore the anti's at you peril form a club

sort out you differences and make it work for you and you sport GOOD LUCK

[fionn 21]

Irish terrier men /north /south

 

It' s easy to sit back and do nothing carry on in small groups help each other when need be.

but we live in a different world, over here we did not really think it would happen but when

it came to the wire the mfha assosation would have threw terrier work in the hat to save fox hunting

if it was not for BARRY WADE, working with all the terrier clubs to get some sort of terrier work

we would now have a complete ban , no its not perfect but they listened to them as a club with many

members the membership was the key the more you have the stronger your voice i know nothing

of Irish law or hai etc but learn from are mistakes. ignore the anti's at you peril form a club

sort out you differences and make it work for you and you sport GOOD LUCK

Edited February 12, 2011 by fionn

[jimmys shop 182]

Irish terrier men /north /south

 

Edited February 12, 2011 by jimmys shop

[wexford Pa 84]

Irish terrier men /north /south

 

It' s easy to sit back and do nothing carry on in small groups help each other when need be.

but we live in a different world, over here we did not really think it would happen but when

it came to the wire the mfha assosation would have threw terrier work in the hat to save fox hunting

if it was not for BARRY WADE, working with all the terrier clubs to get some sort of terrier work

we would now have a complete ban , no its not perfect but they listened to them as a club with many

members the membership was the key the more you have the stronger your voice i know nothing

of Irish law or hai etc but learn from are mistakes. ignore the anti's at you peril form a club

sort out you differences and make it work for you and you sport GOOD LUCK

this is what the last terrier federation tried to achieve. recently when they were a protest march hundreds of terriermen and women surported the hound people against the green party

in the end they got the stag hunting banned.people need to relise its not just about going out in the field and hunting your terrier.the farmer and his stock plus his land has to be protected,this is where insurance comes in to it.everyone would have laugh at you twenty years ago if you said hunting will be banned plus long tail working terriers.personally i wouldnt trust hound people as they sell us out for houndwork so it will have to be a all ireland terrier working club to protect our sport in my opinion.even just a comittee to start with from different parts of the country start slowly but i think we have to our own group THE WORKING TERRIER CLUB OF EIRE

 

 

 

Fionn ,after watching and reading the previous thread on this subject ,i honestly think that you,s,

the people of the republic would not stand together as a devoted club to fight this .Theres to many

disagreements amongst fellow teriermen to try and form a club .Don,t get me wrong the topic needs

addresing and a party formed to talk on behalf of terriermen throughout the republic .I wish you all the

luck trying to achieve it and getting politicians to listen to you,s and take your case forward to All Partys

who would need convincing that terrier work is still the way .

 

Just pause for a moment and think how easy it would be for it to go against yous ,What if yous took someone in

as a member of your club in all good faith ,means they are accepted without question ,without proof ,and without

any evidence that are 100% commited to your club and your beliefs .So maybe after several months of sitting with

yous ,listening to meetings ,finding the clauses that your gonna use for your argument that terrier work is still

the way forward yous suddenly realise that yous have " Not only a scoundrel but a very fundementally wicked person

amongst yous who has been gathering information about your club ,your members ,your strategy ,and now has the power and

position to use it against yous at any time ".

 

I am only saying his because ive read the previous thread this past two days ,honestly lads my opinion is

" IF YOUS ARE HAVING DOUBTS ABOUT WHETHER YOU,S CAN ACTUALLY TRUST A PERSON ...... CHANCES ARE YOU,S CANT ! ! !

 

Whatever yous choose lads GOOD LUCK its a long oul road to face .

very good post

[tinytiger 822]

Irish terrier men /north /south

 

It' s easy to sit back and do nothing carry on in small groups help each other when need be.

but we live in a different world, over here we did not really think it would happen but when

it came to the wire the mfha assosation would have threw terrier work in the hat to save fox hunting

if it was not for BARRY WADE, working with all the terrier clubs to get some sort of terrier work

we would now have a complete ban , no its not perfect but they listened to them as a club with many

members the membership was the key the more you have the stronger your voice i know nothing

of Irish law or hai etc but learn from are mistakes. ignore the anti's at you peril form a club

sort out you differences and make it work for you and you sport GOOD LUCK

 

THe horsey and greyhound crowd are only after our numbers when they want something themselves,,they dont give a f**k about people who are involved with terrier/lurcher work etc.-different scion of irish society altogether.DIGGING etc is an easy target

Edited February 10, 2011 by tinytiger

[artful212 394]

Irish terrier men /north /south

 

It' s easy to sit back and do nothing carry on in small groups help each other when need be.

but we live in a different world, over here we did not really think it would happen but when

it came to the wire the mfha assosation would have threw terrier work in the hat to save fox hunting

if it was not for BARRY WADE, working with all the terrier clubs to get some sort of terrier work

we would now have a complete ban , no its not perfect but they listened to them as a club with many

members the membership was the key the more you have the stronger your voice i know nothing

of Irish law or hai etc but learn from are mistakes. ignore the anti's at you peril form a club

sort out you differences and make it work for you and you sport GOOD LUCK

this is what the last terrier federation tried to achieve. recently when they were a protest march hundreds of terriermen and women surported the hound people against the green party

in the end they got the stag hunting banned.people need to relise its not just about going out in the field and hunting your terrier.the farmer and his stock plus his land has to be protected,this is where insurance comes in to it.everyone would have laugh at you twenty years ago if you said hunting will be banned plus long tail working terriers.personally i wouldnt trust hound people as they sell us out for houndwork so it will have to be a all ireland terrier working club to protect our sport in my opinion.even just a comittee to start with from different parts of the country start slowly but i think we have to our own group THE WORKING TERRIER CLUB OF EIRE

 

 

 

Fionn ,after watching and reading the previous thread on this subject ,i honestly think that you,s,

the people of the republic would not stand together as a devoted club to fight this .Theres to many

disagreements amongst fellow teriermen to try and form a club .Don,t get me wrong the topic needs

addresing and a party formed to talk on behalf of terriermen throughout the republic .I wish you all the

luck trying to achieve it and getting politicians to listen to you,s and take your case forward to All Partys

who would need convincing that terrier work is still the way .

 

Just pause for a moment and think how easy it would be for it to go against yous ,What if yous took someone in

as a member of your club in all good faith ,means they are accepted without question ,without proof ,and without

any evidence that are 100% commited to your club and your beliefs .So maybe after several months of sitting with

yous ,listening to meetings ,finding the clauses that your gonna use for your argument that terrier work is still

the way forward yous suddenly realise that yous have " Not only a scoundrel but a very fundementally wicked person

amongst yous who has been gathering information about your club ,your members ,your strategy ,and now has the power and

position to use it against yous at any time ".

 

I am only saying his because ive read the previous thread this past two days ,honestly lads my opinion is

" IF YOUS ARE HAVING DOUBTS ABOUT WHETHER YOU,S CAN ACTUALLY TRUST A PERSON ...... CHANCES ARE YOU,S CANT ! ! !

 

Whatever yous choose lads GOOD LUCK its a long oul road to face .

 

 

good point mate

[sionnach 44]

i don't think a club will work imho as was already stated here earlier. as for going under the hai banner forget it they have no intrest in terrier work only for our support to save there own sport. i was trying to get them to cover terrier men when we had the r.i.s.e meeting to organise the waterford march. if you look at bigger picture alot of working terrier an lurcher men turned out that day to support stag hunting an against the puppy farming bill. what did we gain nothing only registered packs an greyhound owners got excemptions from bill regarding breeding an pups.the less the public know about our sport the less info the antis will have on us. this is just what i think not slagging off anyone, y.i.s, sionnach

[scent 509]

some valid points johnny ,but i know plenty of hound men that detest terrier and lurcher men.I think there is too much anamosity between terrier men anyway to join together anyway ,as we saw in th earlier thread .They are too busy with peronal cruisades .They couldn agree on the colour of their own shit

Edited February 11, 2011 by scent

[fionn 21]

just out of interset to the lads that have replyed to topic how many of ye have insurance .gun club dosent cover digging lucher work beagle work bushing etc unless its an organize club event correct me if i wrong i know most of ye and yer decent lads so this is not meant to start an arguemnt.if we try and give the for and against on this thread without the bullshit all of us might benifit from it

[Johnny85 50]

I take all the points on board and agree with most of them. The only thing I would say is its easy for the horsey crowd to ride all over us (excuse the pun) when we have no mandate. If we had a club we could get members on the HAI committee and then we would be in control as mush as them. As I said earlier, only my opinion. We need someone to defend our sport. No one knows even how many people work dogs in Ireland?

 

Fionn. Countryside alliance for €60 insures pretty much everything legal inc. digging and shows. As a memeber pack of the Irish Foot Harriers Assoc we also have a pack insurance policy for the hounds, shows etc. I think every man with only a ferret or man with 100 Hounds should be insured. When we meet non-hunting farmers to get permission for hunting the ask three questions generally: have we horses, have we guns and are we insured?.

Been a member of the IFA(Irish Farmers Assoc) is also a benefit I think.

 

Good Hunting

 

Johnny85

[Tassa 64]

Its all a good idea but i think it would go down like a lead balloon. As Jimmy's Shop said how do you weed the good from the bad. Jimmy's shop is very correct about anti's maybe getting into the proposed club. The problem i think would arise is the actual working dog men bickering within the club. You are always going to get some clown in the club that likes the sound of his own voice and will spread the business of the club all over the country and end up giving information to the wrong people.

[scent 509]

just out of interset to the lads that have replyed to topic how many of ye have insurance .gun club dosent cover digging lucher work beagle work bushing etc unless its an organize club event correct me if i wrong i know most of ye and yer decent lads so this is not meant to start an arguemnt.if we try and give the for and against on this thread without the bullshit all of us might benifit from it

countryside alliance insurance

Edited February 11, 2011 by scent

[fionn 21]

Its all a good idea but i think it would go down like a lead balloon. As Jimmy's Shop said how do you weed the good from the bad. Jimmy's shop is very correct about anti's maybe getting into the proposed club. The problem i think would arise is the actual working dog men bickering within the club. You are always going to get some clown in the club that likes the sound of his own voice and will spread the business of the club all over the country and end up giving information to the wrong people.

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Edited February 12, 2011 by fionn