Hare Snaring

[woodga 170]

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

just my opinion but this whole argument reminds me of when we all (hopefully) stood together up london and gave up a few days and not at inconsiderable cost to some of us, to stand up for the fox hunting people, hopefully through commeraderie,and mutual respect, inevitably hunting was banned. Within weeks the CMW is getting a steady flow of letters from disgruntled fox hunters ranting on about lamping blood thirsty maniacs rampaging around the countryside maiming foxes, and if this is allowed to carry on foxes would be wiped out in this country. blah blah. Forget the sour grapes ,lifes to short, dont start having a go at a legitimate pest control method , just because your pis..d off over something (WE) also tried to help stop so that you could continue to chase the blo..y things around for fun.

 

 

 

This is one of my most favouritist ever pictures,..

Great day out,.full of fun and games,...

I misunderstood the call to arms,..I thought they said," Come to the Disco,..not the Demo,...oops"

The noted 'anti' webmaster was inside the Pub,..supporting the bar

All the best to ALL hunting men.....

 

 

 

 

Kind regards,.CHALKWARREN...

Edited January 26, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

I've just come back to this Thread, soley on the point that I saw Chalkie had commented.

 

Fact is, I saw the original title and pictures and went on my way. No comment. But now I've read that lot above and can barely believe what I've just seen. We have an Anti as a f*cking Mod now? And an Admin who stands up for that Anti???

 

What's that other f*ck off place? " Hounds " ? " Horse & Hounds " Forum ? One or the other. Admin and the Moddie there are a pair of blatent f*king Anti's too. Whole place is a charade. Anyone dares support Hunting gets a good kicking from the Mod while the Admin lends him full support. Out debate the Mod and he simply deletes ye. Seen it. People have begged me to go there and join in. 'Support' them. I've never Registered. What's the f*cking point with Anti's in the saddle?!

 

Now it's happening here? FFS!

 

Next I s'pose we'll be hearing the millions of Anglers who'd throw us to the wolves from their little bank side stools are righteous Field Sportsmen too? Because they 'Hunt' fish? Anti is as Anti Says.

 

Comparing any legal method of taking out quarry to illegal methods is a hairs breadth away from screaming that that method too should be made illegal.

 

And to think I was whipping people into Donating to this place, even as this shit was coming down? F*ck me. What a balls up I made there! Might as well have driven them to support the LACS!

[IanB 0]

Ditch shitter your an obvious unstable character suggesting I may condone anything to do with anti-hunting....definitely f*****g weird!

 

The bloke doesn't like snaring, its his choice, I know loads who hate snaring does that make them all antis....NO!, I can imagine all the coursing lads if many still bothered with the net, seeing anything to do with this topic would send them in a rage... one person has a different view and because hes a mod, hes now an anti and I condone it....

 

SHIT!!!!!!!

[Guest Nightwalker]

It's a funny kind of anti who lamps, courses, digs, shoots, traps and fishes and who has keepered and done professional rabbit clearance work Ditch!

 

The world of fieldsports is a broad church, we dont have to like everything that everybody does, there are major differences of opinion within the community of those of us who hunt about the acceptability of all sorts of things from the rearing of game upwards and its a bit sad if we cant debate what we do without people feeling so threatened that it degenerates into name calling. One of my standards is that if I am going to hunt something I want to use methods that are very specific (i.e. as far as possible do not kill unintended victims) and which result in a quick clean kill; trapping, shooting, dog work etc meets those criteria for me, snaring does not, just as the use of the old gin trap did not. We all have our own views about various fieldsports activities, if you are proud of what you do, show me that, tell me why you see snaring as defensible when I do not, tell me why I am wrong, convince me, dont just call me names. You are usually very articulate on most topics, so why not on this one?

[Rabbithunter 456]

nightwalker, tell me, you use traps yet you quote

 

(i.e. as far as possible do not kill unintended victims)

 

from my limited knowledge ANY type of trap can take un-intended victims, i had a wild polecat in a fenn once......... and you also quote

 

which result in a quick clean kill; trapping, shooting, dog work

 

the polecat i caught in an MK6 was anything but dead!

[Guest JOEB]

Jesus.....Ian an anti....who would have thought it.....they finally got to him

 

And not DS normal considered response........a bit out of character for him......we will wait and see

 

I dont for one second think you are an anti Nightwalker and you are of course entitled to your opinion mate, its just that like pictures of dogs with there bottom lip hanging on the floor, we all know stuff happens........

BUT........I see little point in drawing unfavourable attention to a paticular facet of hunting.........

 

You can see it now on the RSPCA site "Look what they have to say about snareing themselve"......just as they would put up images of battle scarred dogs......I am sure you get my drift

 

That statement is no different to an unsavoury picture IMHO.....

All the best,

J

[Stabs 3]

I’ve snared before in my pest control capacity and I can’t say that it’s something that excites me but it was a means to an end and I did it with great care and attention. I was taught by my old man when I was a bairn and it was something his old man taught him. Now my old granddad kept lurchers, which to him were whippet x greyhounds and nothing else and they were there not for a hobby or a pastime, but to fill the pot. Snaring was a way of supplementing this meagre existence and it paid good dividends. I am proud that I know how to snare and I can always bring a bunny or two home for the family. It’s not the way I choose to do things as I’d much rather put a dog on the arse end of the quarry.

 

Lads, let’s get things into perspective. Nightwalker has every right to have his say on this. He doesn’t like snaring…so f*****g what. I’m a mod and so is he, but we aren’t all born diplomats and believe it or not we do have opinions of our own. Nightwalkers comments were directed at Mitch and rightly or wrongly they should be taken for one mans opinion. To then say that he is an anti and that Ian is an anti is f*****g ridiculous and some of you need to give your heads a shake.

 

Nightwalker doesn’t like snaring, so f*****g what? He’s as entitled to his opinions as anyone else. Isn’t it better that he voices them in a snaring forum than keep quiet? If you disagree with him then f*****g say so! He’s a big man and can argue for himself. Try him out and see for yourself. What I totally f*****g object to is him and Ian being called antis…..that’s ignorant knee jerk reaction shit. Nightwalker is there for the debate…don’t just call him a witch and burn him. These forums are here for us to debate so f**k the name calling off and start acting like rational human beings.

[Guest Nightwalker]

nightwalker, tell me, you use traps yet you quote

 

(i.e. as far as possible do not kill unintended victims)

 

from my limited knowledge ANY type of trap can take un-intended victims, i had a wild polecat in a fenn once......... and you also quote

 

which result in a quick clean kill; trapping, shooting, dog work

 

the polecat i caught in an MK6 was anything but dead!

 

Nothing is absolutely 100% but we just have to try our best. Properly set, the unintended kill from traps is much lower than for snaring, I used to work with a head keeper who was snare mad, he caught the occasional fox but also all sorts of otehr things while I was there. I used terriers, lurchers, my shotguin and a 22/250 and had no unintentional kills. I eventually persuaded him to use cage traps and we made up some big cage traps, we put them in every bit of game cover and one or two other spots, and cleaned up the foxes, there was no by-kill and we no longer had everybody and there uncle continually complaining to the boss.

 

Traps do sometimes fail, but set properly they are much more specific than snares and if you have protected animals like polecats or ground nesting birds like shelduck on your ground (there were a lot of these in a place on the coast where I used to keeper) and using rabbit burrows then I wouldn't use traps. These days, night-shooting with a rifle or air-rifle using night-vision gear is the single most efficient and selective way of killing rabbits in the open (although much more difficult in woodland). I use this method a lot, it's not sport but it is lethal.

 

Lamping with lurchers is much more sporting and if rabbits numbers are not at plague proportions you can keep numbers down doing this and again it's totally selective, rabbits are killed very quickly or brought back alive and dispatched, just as you can with ferreting. I just see no need for snaring at all

[Guest JOEB]

NW......you said in one of your previous posts about convincing you to think differenly, well I think you and I know that that wont happen......you have your views and stand by them.........I respect that.

 

All I will do is tell you why I enjoy getting out on occasion with the wire.........to me its something basic, primevil if you like....its a very simple & primitive method that involves no modern mechanical doings, ok we use modern materiels, but a snare can be fashioned from most things at need, when I am setting the wire, I could have been doing the same a thousand years ago.

Anyway Its a bit like blokes and BBQs......... ....there is something that takes you back to our ancestors there!

 

You have stated why you dislike, I and I have stated why I like............be intresting to see if any others can tell you what they like about it.......other than it being a very efficent method.

All the best,

J

 

And TOMO.....Dont tell em about the 1 that got away

[Guest MOLLY]

There is probably more in hunting i actually dislike than like, so i only do what i like...quite simple.

For me its all about the dogs.

Im a tree hugger and proud of it

MOLL.

[Yokel Matt 918]

It's a funny kind of anti who lamps, courses, digs, shoots, traps and fishes and who has keepered and done professional rabbit clearance work.

 

Fair doo's... maybe the term Anti is banded around a bit too easily some times.

 

All the same, as someone has already said, the name on the door is Snares, Traps & Pest Control... full stop...

 

We all have our preferences mate and most of the lads seem to love a debate but the initial pop at mitch for snaring in favour of a longdog in a thread where a pooch is not really that relevant has ruffled a few feathers... (and alsoimplying snaring is unselective compared to bodygrips and fenns which is just plain bollocks)

 

You Mods do a good job... dogs and hares just seem to be a pretty emotive subject but i don't see them being that relevant in this section. JMHO...

 

Mutual respect, peace and love, high fives and back slaps to all

[john b 38]

That sounds to me like a good note to close this thread on .....................