danw 1,748 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Yes mate we click the shots and count spent cartridges but only count birds picked, as all 15 days are family days it really makes no difference what returns we get as long as they have a good day and make some where close to bag but as you know there is a huge amount of pride involved when a keeper talks of percentage returns.The worst day this year was a 200 bird day they managed 192 for 1680 shots we kept running the guns out of cartridges Still alot of pressure....more so maybe as there all the bosses days...... I asked if you counted none picked birds as that might give you a closer percentage to what your looking for mate. I didnt count them also when i had a shoot i just counted the bag at the end of the day. But i am now picking up at a shoot where each drive is logged in a wee book, the total in the cart is written down and beside that is the number of birds that weren't picked. Now i'm not talking about a tickled bird i'm talking about runners that are not picked and really hard hit birds that go miles away. I reckon on a 200 bird shoot normally there are 20 to 30 birds that are just not possible to pick for whatever reason and over the course of a 40 day season that ammounts to 800-1200 birds not accounted for........ Now that doesn't half lift the percentage at the end of the year.... p.s I'll just add its not my dogs missing the birds............... I think to be honest we have concentrated on our pheasant a bit more this year they where so strong and flew so well that some drives made 11/12-1 rather than our partridge which are in a different part of the estate and not quite so hard only going 3/4-1 the returns on my partridge have pulled the total return down which is a shame but they are bag fillers and not as sporting. I put 3000 in each of the 2 partridge drives and there is still a shit load left.The pheasant returns however are a bit more encouraging. On the 400 bird days I have 8 picker ups 2 of which stay behind on each drive to sweep the back of the drives right up to the pegs even then I am sure some are missed and it's quite common to find dead birds the next day though some of those will have been pricked and fallen of roost rather than being missed Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Yes mate we click the shots and count spent cartridges but only count birds picked, as all 15 days are family days it really makes no difference what returns we get as long as they have a good day and make some where close to bag but as you know there is a huge amount of pride involved when a keeper talks of percentage returns.The worst day this year was a 200 bird day they managed 192 for 1680 shots we kept running the guns out of cartridges Still alot of pressure....more so maybe as there all the bosses days...... I asked if you counted none picked birds as that might give you a closer percentage to what your looking for mate. I didnt count them also when i had a shoot i just counted the bag at the end of the day. But i am now picking up at a shoot where each drive is logged in a wee book, the total in the cart is written down and beside that is the number of birds that weren't picked. Now i'm not talking about a tickled bird i'm talking about runners that are not picked and really hard hit birds that go miles away. I reckon on a 200 bird shoot normally there are 20 to 30 birds that are just not possible to pick for whatever reason and over the course of a 40 day season that ammounts to 800-1200 birds not accounted for........ Now that doesn't half lift the percentage at the end of the year.... p.s I'll just add its not my dogs missing the birds............... Yes mate - we have this problem! Our return this year is a bit worrying until you take into account what the f*****g boar ate and what dropped down over one of our boundries into no mans land (they throw rocks at us if we go to pick up!). Also been finding shot birds with the dogs day after the shoot which makes me a a little angry!!! (Considering i'm using sighthounds and they fuckers have labs). But yer, counting these makes our return look a bit better! Thank christ we dont have boar up here as well!!!. We also have a drive on the boundary that we are not allowed to go onto, its a top drive too and the old boot that stays over there is always there with her spaniel and fat rescue lab'......i have moments of deafness but i'm sure she is shouting "Get those bloody labs' off my property"...... If in the future i do get another shoot(always looking) then i will be counting these birds that get away, i think a decent set of guns when shooting shite should understand why you are counting them...... The f*****g boar know what the score is now mate. They line up behind the guns and run to get under the falling birds! Wont touch a unharmed bird but soon as its pricked its lunch! I think its fair to run two totals. Total picked and total shot for the season (as best guess). Sometimes also sit behind the gun line (a fair way) on certain drives (with dodgy boundry) and act as back gun, dropping the glidders that have been pricked well and are going to run, helps a bit and not a prob if the guns are happy with that. When you get a shoot gimmie a shout. . . . .. . If i get a shoot again.....and i will, it will just have to be the right place....size wise and travelling distance wise.... i might just have a THL day and see who wants to come........ Do you ever shoot the boar on these days? Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 seen pictures of this sort of thing before personally i think its a shame to shoot so many hares it definetly is not sport,they should be left to run with dogs not to be shot what happens to all these hares after they are killed Sent overseas for the table. Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Yes mate we click the shots and count spent cartridges but only count birds picked, as all 15 days are family days it really makes no difference what returns we get as long as they have a good day and make some where close to bag but as you know there is a huge amount of pride involved when a keeper talks of percentage returns.The worst day this year was a 200 bird day they managed 192 for 1680 shots we kept running the guns out of cartridges Still alot of pressure....more so maybe as there all the bosses days...... I asked if you counted none picked birds as that might give you a closer percentage to what your looking for mate. I didnt count them also when i had a shoot i just counted the bag at the end of the day. But i am now picking up at a shoot where each drive is logged in a wee book, the total in the cart is written down and beside that is the number of birds that weren't picked. Now i'm not talking about a tickled bird i'm talking about runners that are not picked and really hard hit birds that go miles away. I reckon on a 200 bird shoot normally there are 20 to 30 birds that are just not possible to pick for whatever reason and over the course of a 40 day season that ammounts to 800-1200 birds not accounted for........ Now that doesn't half lift the percentage at the end of the year.... p.s I'll just add its not my dogs missing the birds............... Yes mate - we have this problem! Our return this year is a bit worrying until you take into account what the f*****g boar ate and what dropped down over one of our boundries into no mans land (they throw rocks at us if we go to pick up!). Also been finding shot birds with the dogs day after the shoot which makes me a a little angry!!! (Considering i'm using sighthounds and they fuckers have labs). But yer, counting these makes our return look a bit better! Thank christ we dont have boar up here as well!!!. We also have a drive on the boundary that we are not allowed to go onto, its a top drive too and the old boot that stays over there is always there with her spaniel and fat rescue lab'......i have moments of deafness but i'm sure she is shouting "Get those bloody labs' off my property"...... If in the future i do get another shoot(always looking) then i will be counting these birds that get away, i think a decent set of guns when shooting shite should understand why you are counting them...... The f*****g boar know what the score is now mate. They line up behind the guns and run to get under the falling birds! Wont touch a unharmed bird but soon as its pricked its lunch! I think its fair to run two totals. Total picked and total shot for the season (as best guess). Sometimes also sit behind the gun line (a fair way) on certain drives (with dodgy boundry) and act as back gun, dropping the glidders that have been pricked well and are going to run, helps a bit and not a prob if the guns are happy with that. When you get a shoot gimmie a shout. . . . .. . If i get a shoot again.....and i will, it will just have to be the right place....size wise and travelling distance wise.... i might just have a THL day and see who wants to come........ Do you ever shoot the boar on these days? Sadly not! They are owned by the land owner (bit of a mad guy) and are part of his forest ecology/re-generation plan. They are a special bloodline or something and he's a bit precious about them. The odd one or two may strangly go missing however and its all a big mystery, i guess they must be getting through a fence somewhere . . . . p.s - I'd come beat/shoot a day for you. . . . maybe do a bit of ferreting Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Yes mate we click the shots and count spent cartridges but only count birds picked, as all 15 days are family days it really makes no difference what returns we get as long as they have a good day and make some where close to bag but as you know there is a huge amount of pride involved when a keeper talks of percentage returns.The worst day this year was a 200 bird day they managed 192 for 1680 shots we kept running the guns out of cartridges Still alot of pressure....more so maybe as there all the bosses days...... I asked if you counted none picked birds as that might give you a closer percentage to what your looking for mate. I didnt count them also when i had a shoot i just counted the bag at the end of the day. But i am now picking up at a shoot where each drive is logged in a wee book, the total in the cart is written down and beside that is the number of birds that weren't picked. Now i'm not talking about a tickled bird i'm talking about runners that are not picked and really hard hit birds that go miles away. I reckon on a 200 bird shoot normally there are 20 to 30 birds that are just not possible to pick for whatever reason and over the course of a 40 day season that ammounts to 800-1200 birds not accounted for........ Now that doesn't half lift the percentage at the end of the year.... p.s I'll just add its not my dogs missing the birds............... Yes mate - we have this problem! Our return this year is a bit worrying until you take into account what the f*****g boar ate and what dropped down over one of our boundries into no mans land (they throw rocks at us if we go to pick up!). Also been finding shot birds with the dogs day after the shoot which makes me a a little angry!!! (Considering i'm using sighthounds and they fuckers have labs). But yer, counting these makes our return look a bit better! Thank christ we dont have boar up here as well!!!. We also have a drive on the boundary that we are not allowed to go onto, its a top drive too and the old boot that stays over there is always there with her spaniel and fat rescue lab'......i have moments of deafness but i'm sure she is shouting "Get those bloody labs' off my property"...... If in the future i do get another shoot(always looking) then i will be counting these birds that get away, i think a decent set of guns when shooting shite should understand why you are counting them...... The f*****g boar know what the score is now mate. They line up behind the guns and run to get under the falling birds! Wont touch a unharmed bird but soon as its pricked its lunch! I think its fair to run two totals. Total picked and total shot for the season (as best guess). Sometimes also sit behind the gun line (a fair way) on certain drives (with dodgy boundry) and act as back gun, dropping the glidders that have been pricked well and are going to run, helps a bit and not a prob if the guns are happy with that. When you get a shoot gimmie a shout. . . . .. . If i get a shoot again.....and i will, it will just have to be the right place....size wise and travelling distance wise.... i might just have a THL day and see who wants to come........ Do you ever shoot the boar on these days? Sadly not! They are owned by the land owner (bit of a mad guy) and are part of his forest ecology/re-generation plan. They are a special bloodline or something and he's a bit precious about them. The odd one or two may strangly go missing however and its all a big mystery, i guess they must be getting through a fence somewhere . . . . p.s - I'd come beat/shoot a day for you. . . . maybe do a bit of ferreting Honestly mate if i get a shoot up and running you'd be more than welcome......... Maybe if 1 of them boars got out again it could hitch a lift up with you, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm delicious...... Quote Link to post
Rake aboot 4,936 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 mmmmmmmmmmmm! Boarrrr!! luvly on a roll with apple sauce! Startin a shoot Lab ??, ATB Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 mmmmmmmmmmmm! Boarrrr!! luvly on a roll with apple sauce! Startin a shoot Lab ??, ATB Always on the look out. Its hard trying to get a good place, there all taken. Keep my ears open though.... Quote Link to post
scothunter 12,609 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 mmmmmmmmmmmm! Boarrrr!! luvly on a roll with apple sauce! Startin a shoot Lab ??, ATB Always on the look out. Its hard trying to get a good place, there all taken. Keep my ears open though.... gimme a shout,ill exercise your long ears lol Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) seen pictures of this sort of thing before personally i think its a shame to shoot so many hares it definetly is not sport,they should be left to run with dogs not to be shot what happens to all these hares after they are killed Sent overseas for the table. Game dealers pay £5 per hare down here any amount as Ideation said for the overseas market Edited February 7, 2011 by danw Quote Link to post
Rake aboot 4,936 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 mmmmmmmmmmmm! Boarrrr!! luvly on a roll with apple sauce! Startin a shoot Lab ??, ATB Always on the look out. Its hard trying to get a good place, there all taken. Keep my ears open though.... Tell me about it mate,, I`m currentley working my knuckles away lookin for somit to provide all my shooting ,rather than the spread out long drive I do just now. Not that I`m complaining about too much permissions though!. Lots of shoots round my way bud ,so the knuckles will get worn down a good bit yet methinks ! Quote Link to post
buddylove 6 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 My first thoughts were - thats obscene shooting that many. However when you think more they are all wild and if they are shooting those numbers year in year out clearly the population can withstand it. Whats more the numbers clearly need to be controlled. Is it because numbers are lower elsewhere that the rest of us think its not on. If he had written saying he had caught that number of rabbits there would have been loads of congratulations and well done's on here. I personally can not even imagine that number of hares or for that matter the damage they could cause. course there would be! Rabbits are vermin pal! A hare isnt. It was the kings sport mate to run a dog on hare.. Feck me, at one time the rule was, you couldnt hunt hares on a sunday, now you can kill fecking 100's! It is the most powerful of all our wild animals to live on top of our land. It is magical, and majestic in its own right.. And it has nothing to do with the numbers being lower, its the fact that they survive through every kind of predation, and live in harsh cold winter enviroments, struggle, run at speeds of breath taking power. Then bang bang bang say it again another 200+ times.. Its a crime in my eyes. I actually love it(preban) when a good strong hare outfoxs the dog and gets away to run another day, you think "wow, what an animal". People have passion mate. So i would say basically, no it has nothing to do with numbers low... Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 mmmmmmmmmmmm! Boarrrr!! luvly on a roll with apple sauce! Startin a shoot Lab ??, ATB Always on the look out. Its hard trying to get a good place, there all taken. Keep my ears open though.... gimme a shout,ill exercise your long ears lol Some shoot this is going to be........Have to be near on my doorstep, abundance of rabbits for Ideation, thousands of hares for Scothunter and make me a living..... ......Anybody looking for stalking cause am sure there will be gold medal bucks running free on the place.......... Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 mmmmmmmmmmmm! Boarrrr!! luvly on a roll with apple sauce! Startin a shoot Lab ??, ATB Always on the look out. Its hard trying to get a good place, there all taken. Keep my ears open though.... gimme a shout,ill exercise your long ears lol Some shoot this is going to be........Have to be near on my doorstep, abundance of rabbits for Ideation, thousands of hares for Scothunter and make me a living..... ......Anybody looking for stalking cause am sure there will be gold medal bucks running free on the place.......... We'll be like one retarded but happy family! Quote Link to post
stevethefish 80 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 just dont mention HARES, if you shoot any. Quote Link to post
irish stevie 32 Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 just dont mention HARES, if you shoot any. you should of thought,before you mention lt Quote Link to post
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