First Gun CZ 452 or 455

[endrick 0]

Hi to all,

 

This is my first post and as with most first post looking for advice on the purchase of my first gun.

 

Firstly I have decided on .22 as the calibre.

 

Secondly until today I had it nailed down to either the CZ452 American or Varmint, I think I ma pretty set on 16" barrel and Moderator (requested on my FAC app)

 

I went down to local shop today to see if he had both in stock to hold side by side, they didn't and only had the Varmint in which I had previously tried and was more than happy with. They did however add further brain ache by showing my the 455 thumbhole.

 

My first impression was that it felt a bit heavier to me but felt it gave me a better natural shooting position. When I went back to the 452 what seemed perfect 5 mins ago suddenly felt unnatural to hold.

 

So the dilema has started all over again...

 

I have read quite a bit about the 452 hence what drew me to it in the first place. But not as much on the 455.

 

Any points on either would be most welcome.

 

Thanks

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Well ,all I can say is my 452 is the best tool in the box, Just fitted a rimfire magic trigger kit and have upgraded the scope on mine lately but it`s responsible for untold rabbits and has been a fantastic gun, doubt I`d ever get rid,, would just upgrade it.

Mines has the synth stock, may be looking to change the stock soon as I feel a slightly longer reach would suit me better but still , straight out the box it`s fantastic.

 

The new thumbhole cz looks great but I suspect you would still be better doing the trigger on it as well ,unless they have improved it vastly.

 

whatever you get ,you`ll be happy with it I`m sure

ATB

 

Edited to say, mines is not the varmint and is light enough not to worry about the bipod etc,

The thumbhole will have the varmint barrel as well I think, looks good but not really nesessary in my view.

[cookey 1]

get your self a ruger 10-22 and u will not b disappointed almost every accessorie u could dream of buy a cheap one then pimp it out

hear is mine after a few mods the stock is only 99 dollars from usa

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Found semis on subsonics to be a pain!....I know they are not all like that , but I`ll stick with ma CZ

[sako 23]

Get a semi, much more fun on moving rabbits

[cookey 1]

semmi are the best wee fun gun u could have and if u get the right bullet to south it u will love it

[danebrewer10 6]

the 455 is supposed to be replacing the 452, the 455 has interchangeable barrels like the Sako Quad, so the reciever will be a little heavier (as it is longer) but not by much, unless you want to go changing barrels then I'd suggest you go with the 452, it'll probably be cheaper plus if you're not happy with the stock they're cheap enough that you can always just get a new stock and trigger upgrade, and make it a shooting machine!, again the varmint barrel isn't really nessecary with sporting .22s, perhaps in the benchrest unlimited class it might, but not over 80m nobbling rabbits. Like I say I think the 452 will suit you (or anyone for that matter) fine. if you want it a bit heavier, then you can always opt for the varmint barrel model, attach a bipod, or sling a laminate stock on there!

[endrick 0]

Thanks for all the replies.

 

Having continued my research last night I found the 452 available with the thunb hole stock so seems problem solved to me

 

CZ 452 Laminate Thumbhole

 

Hope my FAC doesn't take too long in case something else throws me lol

[HUnter_zero 58]

I'll throw in my 2'p worth.

After over twenty years of owning .22rf rifles and after owning more than I can remember I have come to one conclusion. If your serious about rabbiting and lamping you will always come back to a B/A rifle. That's based on experience of many S/A rim fires, one way or another, one day or the next the rifle will jam and it will jam in a way that in the middle of the night, you will end up with a big scratch along the receiver where you have tried in the half light of the moon to remove the stuck case, which by the way will still be stuck but both the rifle and you will have the scar to prove that you should have kept the B/A rifle.

You can guarantee, if you lamp often enough and for long enough, both you and your pride and joy will meet with Doctor rain! and both end up sodden with the little B/A once again being the god sent you originally thought it was because at 2am, the last thing you want to do is strip down your S/A action to prevent rust. The last time this happened to me, Mrs. HZ was woken by screams of panic when a spring flew as if possessed by some rabbit demon across the kitchen floor, never to be found or recovered again.

KISS - keep it simple stupid, thats the key. The little .22rf is a great round, it's stood the test of time when others have fallen. Equally, the bolt action has stood the test of time and a bolt action .22rf is a great tool, with little to really complain about. Looked after it will last a life time. That said, I have on the odd occasion been drawn in to the temptation of owning a semi-auto, even recently with a mate selling his 10-22 fold down para-military stocked rifle with a 4x40 lupey scope, bargain priced to me at only £150 of my hard earned. I was temped, what a great rifle for a high seat situation when there is as much chance of shooting a deer as Santa clause! I could pop off rabbits, pheasants and the unsuspecting squirrel. NO, I resisted the tecno urge to buy a semi-auto and I feel a lot better for it, a weight taken off my shoulders. I almost feel like an adult.

 

Stick with a B/A.

 

As for which one, well do yourself a big favour get the one you most want! The one that you know is right for you.

That way you will save your self much hassle, lots of cash and less paper work. If the rifle is over budget, sit back and save. How do I know this, you might ask. Well ever since I fist spotted the little Anschutz XIV carbine I have wanted one, never really having the spare dosh and believe me once your married, there is no such thing as "spare dosh" to spend on rifles. Plenty of spare dosh for decorating or shopping but not for rifles, especially as the one you have is more than is needed, no need to waste your cash on an upgrade when the kitchen needs a make over or the bathroom needs "doing". Well I can tell you, the only thing that needs "doing" is my head!! I should have got Anschutz XIV carbine years ago and I might, just get one later this year........

 

John

Edited February 6, 2011 by HUnter_zero

[macberran 2]

I have several set ups in .308Rem Police, Sako 75 delux in 6.5, Steyer Jagdmatch in .222 but the 452 in .22wmr is the best value. Bought at auction for £40 and a £25 bushnell from a mate and it does what its meant to. I don't drool over it like I do with the Sako so its unloved so to speak. Cleaned once in three years and only 11 shots and back on the spot. A great gun great value for money and reliable also. I wouldn't change it.

[Deker 3,478]

The 452 is the tool but the 453 popped up and now the 455.

 

If you are able consider carefully the 455 (whichever model you like or can find) otherwise a 452.

 

We all have our preferences and some like heavy barrels/rifles, I don't for field work and I have yet to find a reason for carting around all that extra weight around for miles, accuracy simply isn't an arguement, there is no advantage.

 

ATB!