Artifical earths

[neil cooney 10,416]

This is just my own opinion on artificials.

The Anti's love them. They argue "why do we say we control foxes but yet we make places for them to breed and live".

Most hunts have stopped making them as they leave it to easy for poachers.

And mostly IMO, when I approach an earth with my terrier pulling on it's couple and then I let it go I'm wondering "how deep?" "where does it go?"

"can I watch all the entrances?".

Those that work artificials wonder is there someone at home and that's all.

I doubt anyones every put an artificial 12 foot deep, LOL.

It seems at the moment (if youtube is anything to go by) that it's a big thing on the continent to run your terrier in an artificial and think it's the real deal.

They're fooling themselves.

[scent 509]

This is just my own opinion on artificials.

The Anti's love them. They argue "why do we say we control foxes but yet we make places for them to breed and live".

Most hunts have stopped making them as they leave it to easy for poachers.

And mostly IMO, when I approach an earth with my terrier pulling on it's couple and then I let it go I'm wondering "how deep?" "where does it go?"

"can I watch all the entrances?".

Those that work artificials wonder is there someone at home and that's all.

I doubt anyones every put an artificial 12 foot deep, LOL.

It seems at the moment (if youtube is anything to go by) that it's a big thing on the continent to run your terrier in an artificial and think it's the real deal.

They're fooling themselves.

i agree neill i too have seen the videos on the net ,they think they have a right terrier on their hands cause they can find in an artificial .I cant imagine there are too many roots and stones and other obsticiles in their way whilst travelling those tight tubes

[erik 71]

i personally never met someone who sayed to me that there use of those set's was the real deal cuz most of the user of those set's are hunter who just have a jagd,fox or teckel or whatever they have but anyway they are not digging people just hunters whit dogs ,,,and artificial set's

[welshhound2 20]

This is just my own opinion on artificials.

The Anti's love them. They argue "why do we say we control foxes but yet we make places for them to breed and live".

Most hunts have stopped making them as they leave it to easy for poachers.

And mostly IMO, when I approach an earth with my terrier pulling on it's couple and then I let it go I'm wondering "how deep?" "where does it go?"

"can I watch all the entrances?".

Those that work artificials wonder is there someone at home and that's all.

I doubt anyones every put an artificial 12 foot deep, LOL.

It seems at the moment (if youtube is anything to go by) that it's a big thing on the continent to run your terrier in an artificial and think it's the real deal.

They're fooling themselves.

fair comment nc

[CarraghsGem 92]

This is just my own opinion on artificials.

The Anti's love them. They argue "why do we say we control foxes but yet we make places for them to breed and live".

Most hunts have stopped making them as they leave it to easy for poachers.

And mostly IMO, when I approach an earth with my terrier pulling on it's couple and then I let it go I'm wondering "how deep?" "where does it go?"

"can I watch all the entrances?".

Those that work artificials wonder is there someone at home and that's all.

I doubt anyones every put an artificial 12 foot deep, LOL.

It seems at the moment (if youtube is anything to go by) that it's a big thing on the continent to run your terrier in an artificial and think it's the real deal.

They're fooling themselves.

 

food for thought

[mickyatch 37]

i only want to help bring my young dog on like fellas if i had a season working terrier i wouldnt bother as you are right half the fun is diggin unexpected earths

[FightTheBan 1,147]

This is just my own opinion on artificials.

The Anti's love them. They argue "why do we say we control foxes but yet we make places for them to breed and live".

Most hunts have stopped making them as they leave it to easy for poachers.

And mostly IMO, when I approach an earth with my terrier pulling on it's couple and then I let it go I'm wondering "how deep?" "where does it go?"

"can I watch all the entrances?".

Those that work artificials wonder is there someone at home and that's all.

I doubt anyones every put an artificial 12 foot deep, LOL.

It seems at the moment (if youtube is anything to go by) that it's a big thing on the continent to run your terrier in an artificial and think it's the real deal.

They're fooling themselves.

 

 

 

Know of one 6 foot down, all stone built, multiple enterances, ledges the lot. Figure of 8 shape and holds regular.

 

Also know of an old hunt one 4 foot down, runs for 300 yards. Cubbed in it last year and ive dug it 3 times this year.

 

Piddly plastic pipes barely below the surface are a waste of time, only good for starting pups and rarely if ever hold.

 

Just what I have found.

 

 

FTB

[mickyatch 37]

a wanna make them from stone like old school drains cos i want them to last not bothered if they dnt start holding for a few season yet

["Earth!" 503]

very posh jb but a 9inch ribbed drainage pipe used for french drains ect and a ply box dose the same job and costs less in price have used these on numerous occasions and very productive

 

cant beat the clay or concrete pipes.

got alot of artificials on estates i do the terriers on,rarely find in the plastic pipes compared to others.

[Jonathan Booth France 5]

Mr Cooney you have many valid points .I must admit we ourself prefer to hunt natural earths especaily with seasoned terriers (as for Anti's Nothing pleases them! and as long as it humain who want's to try to!? Anyway The guy's in that part of Germany do have problem land and little or no fox earths prior to the false ones "needs must!" and I supose anyone can make them as deep and as complecated as they wish! But the guys told us if they set then less than one meter they seem to rarly hold . Dad tells me when Locators first came out many old timmers complained "just for the sake of it!" such is some human nature!"But he found if he switched it of" they often changed their tune and asked for it to be switched back! and quite quickly after listening failed in deep places. in Sport Jonathan

Edited February 4, 2011 by Jonathan Booth France

[just hunt 69]

This is just my own opinion on artificials.

The Anti's love them. They argue "why do we say we control foxes but yet we make places for them to breed and live".

Most hunts have stopped making them as they leave it to easy for poachers.

And mostly IMO, when I approach an earth with my terrier pulling on it's couple and then I let it go I'm wondering "how deep?" "where does it go?"

"can I watch all the entrances?".

Those that work artificials wonder is there someone at home and that's all.

I doubt anyones every put an artificial 12 foot deep, LOL.

It seems at the moment (if youtube is anything to go by) that it's a big thing on the continent to run your terrier in an artificial and think it's the real deal.

They're fooling themselves.

fair comment nc

i think the artificial has its place too . we have placed a few on big sheep country and found them very useful in fox control.not many sheep farmers want hounds and horses this time of year.by the way is a 12ft dig twice as good as 6ft one ...i dont think so they all need digging... only my view

[neil cooney 10,416]

Just hunt, like I say, why say we need to control the fox but yet we build them a home ?????

But I do agree an artificial can quicken the hunt in finding a problem fox. My arguement ??? Backfill digs properly and he'll use the natural earths even faster.

As for a twelve footer being better then a six footer ????

Unless there's a big difference in the soil/clay/rock of course it is. Don't be silly.

[fireman 10,934]

The word is control not irradication so why not give them somewhere to breed or lie up in?.

Not aimed at anyone just an answer to the question.

[just hunt 69]

Just hunt, like I say, why say we need to control the fox but yet we build them a home ?????

But I do agree an artificial can quicken the hunt in finding a problem fox. My arguement ??? Backfill digs properly and he'll use the natural earths even faster.

As for a twelve footer being better then a six footer ????

Unless there's a big difference in the soil/clay/rock of course it is. Don't be silly.

i think the original post said he was short on holding earths on his patch .maby there is cover beside him that he not allowed or a farm where he has no permission .by the way you cant poach foxes they not game or fish now you dont be silly.....

[mart 131]

how big is this local patch of yours?

cause if its only a small piece of land, you should`nt expect to find a whole lot of earths anyways, and if this is the case building artificials won´t do you any good.

the foxes you are seeing could be just passing trough, but you could very well be successfull if you try to bait them in to the earth you`ve already found.