airgun security

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Not everyone who does not secure there guns is an "idiot,who does not give a shit"

All my liscenced weapons are locked away, but my air guns are not. Why should they be ?? there are no children in my house and when I go out I lock the house.

 

The facts as I see them are that 99% of airgun crime ,is some kids running about with a BB gun, softair etc, and theese bang up the crime numbers and give the Police and Polititions plenty of ammo,for when a serious event occurs (which is quite rare)

Who here has heard of an incedent where children got there hands on a parents airgun, (yes I know it`s happened, but it`s BLOODY rare)

 

In my view this is a precursor to liscensing all airguns, and I am against this.

 

ATB

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Been thinking about this more. This law is to stop unautherised access to under 18 yes ?? if that is so then it will surely only apply to people with under 18`s in the house.

If you have children then securing your gun makes sense. I stil don`t like the way this is going, Up here in Scotland we have big noises wanting all aiguns banned so maybe I am a bit more sensitive to change than some of you Southerners!

 

I still maintain that if you have kids 14 to 18 at home ,then you can give them writtn permission to shoot in the house, That should cover you !

 

As an aside, I am seriously thinking about putting my Daystate on ticket, as it makes no diffeence to where it can be used and I may have to stick it in the cabinet anyway.

 

ATB

[rossy08 33]

i can not really vote on the poll on this one,as there is not a sutiable option for me.

 

yes my guns are now all locked but there not in a safe.

 

take now for exsample i have 8 guns in my home some are myn and others are with me for repairs. if it was just my guns that i have all the time yes i would have a safe,but its not i can at any time have any number of guns.

 

therefor i have a alcove in the frount room that now has a gun rack built in(bit like you would see in a shop) where i can put up to 10 rifles and the all get chained to the wall on either side of the alcove.

 

i will add i live on my own in an upstairs flat that has two fround doors that are both locked when im out as are my windows..

 

i do think the law is a good thing, but with that said i also belive its paveing the way for a sub 12flb airgun lisense.

 

which as Andy has pointed there should be tighter laws on other things first ie xbows.

some of these things can produce 165flb and thats with a 16in bolt,and will easly kill. even the pistol xbows are up to 80flb and cost as little as £20.

 

cant belive even after the xbow canibal killer thing they havent looked into the laws on them.

 

just my views.

 

Andy

[PeakOil 352]

On the face of it the new law looks like 'common sense' being applied to firearms, but I can't help thinking airguns will eventually have to be stored in police / home office approved cabinets like FAC / SGC guns. As my airguns are stored out of sight in the house and no kids are in the house / have access I can't see the new laws affecting me, yet.

[rossi_j 99]

My rifles are safe from my daughter, they are in a cupboard, wich at the moment she can not even reach the handle too, the pellets and mags ect are on the top shelf wich my mrs cant even reach lmao, does this constitute as secure from my child?? Obviously the second she may be able to reach the handle a hasp and padlock will be fitted, or will I have to do this now in accordance with the new law??

 

I have allways taken a common sense approach until now.

 

.atb. .ste.

[rossy08 33]

My rifles are safe from my daughter, they are in a cupboard, wich at the moment she can not even reach the handle too, the pellets and mags ect are on the top shelf wich my mrs cant even reach lmao, does this constitute as secure from my child?? Obviously the second she may be able to reach the handle a hasp and padlock will be fitted, or will I have to do this now in accordance with the new law??

 

I have allways taken a common sense approach until now.

 

.atb. .ste.

 

Id say that you would be better off locking it now mate...just incase you upset the missis.

 

jocking aside what happens if the first time she can reach your not looking. for the price of a lock mate may as well do it. better safe than sorry.

Andy

[rossi_j 99]

I appreciate what you are saying andy, my daughter is two, my rifle is un cocked, mag removed, safety on in a zipped up bag in a cupboard she can not open, projectiles well out of the way, I doubt she would be able to do anything to that rifle that would make it unsafe even if I handed it to her (obviously something I would never do, I dont think she has ever seen it to be honest) I am 100% sure no harm could come to my daughter and if I was not what kind of father would that make me??

 

I worry more about her chokeing on food or falling over and banging her head.

 

I will be putting a lock on the cupboard anyway, another line in protection cant hurt, I just know I will loose the keys tho and have to jimmy it open lol

 

.atb. .ste.

[rossy08 33]

yes mate i was thinking about that. looses my keys im buggerd. so i left a spear key the locks in the safe at work..and a key to my door with a freind..

 

Andy

[rossi_j 99]

yes mate i was thinking about that. looses my keys im buggerd. so i left a spear key the locks in the safe at work..and a key to my door with a freind..

 

Andy

 

Good thinking, my mrs has a house key also so thats not a poblem, not sure she can be trusted with a key for the cupboard tho, anything could happen, my camo's may get washed and if she tidied it up id never find anything in there again, thats settled then, keep the spare at work

Better get myself a lock then!! Wouldent want to get caught foul of the law, will that be enough tho as I would tear a hasp an lock of a wooden door and frame in under in a second if I realy wanted to get in, im a little confused!?

 

What level of security are we talking here?

 

Were talking gun cabinet really to seriously reduce the risk of any child getting at them weather it be your child or some little menace who has broken in.

 

What are your security arrangements andy?

 

I know you got a security device with your new rifle how does that work??

 

.atb. .ste.

 

Edited to say sory andy you have already posted details of your arrangements, would be nice to hear about others too

Edited February 2, 2011 by rossi_j

[matt_hooks 188]

I really don't like the wording of the law.

 

I have space at the moment for one of my airguns in my FAC cabinet. The other two have trigger locks applied which make them impossible to fire, and are stored out of sight. No under 18's come into the house, but according to the way I read this law, I could still be prosecuted with failing to keep the rifles away from under 18's.

 

Surely an air gun that is disabled in some way, say by fitting a decent trigger lock, or removing a working part, should be classed as "secured", but the way I read the new legislation that wouldn't be the case.

[rossy08 33]

I really don't like the wording of the law.

 

I have space at the moment for one of my airguns in my FAC cabinet. The other two have trigger locks applied which make them impossible to fire, and are stored out of sight. No under 18's come into the house, but according to the way I read this law, I could still be prosecuted with failing to keep the rifles away from under 18's.

 

Surely an air gun that is disabled in some way, say by fitting a decent trigger lock, or removing a working part, should be classed as "secured", but the way I read the new legislation that wouldn't be the case.

 

 

i no what you mean by the wording of the law.

 

as its written "reasonalbe percautions" thats a massive gray area.

 

as i said on another thread about this, if i lock my door when i go out,thats me using reasonalble percaution to secure all my goods shurly?????

 

Andy