are you bothered about the greyhound blood in your line???/

[Guest INTERNET-HUNTER]

The thing is, if your worried about what greyhound blood is in your lurcher, it's too late...!

 

The lurcher world was fed the notion "that ANY 'ol greyhound would do" in regards to lurcher production from the late 70's to the early 90's curtesy of Mr Plummer, who quoted this often in his books, and in the subsiquent lurcher boom many bought into it.

To be fair, in the early days, with the different climate in hunting methods and fewer litters being produced, i really don't think it made much difference.

 

These days its a different world. A million lurchers out there and everyone seems to want the best ('though shalt not covert thy neigbours dog'..!), so people are constantly questioning the need to have the best blood. Well how many of us produce original first crosses.. Not many!

Out of the thousands of lurchers bred each year, those that do, usually have 'em off breeders who specialise in F1's, the likes of Platt and Hancock etc.

Then theres also the route of adding greyhound to your dog and again many don't know of a greyhound man who has the right dog or is willing to use it. No, most would go to someone they've seen in an advert in a lurcher publication, the likes of Sleight etc.

 

So the rest of us just own Lurchers of one type or another and we are totally in the dark as to what greyhound blood is in there, well in my opinion, it doesn't matter one little bit..!! Because if we all worked our dogs as we should, we would know what is worth breeding off and what ain't, over a good few years graft and if that dog has performed to the best of its ability and proved its worth, then breed from it, you've got a good 'un and if it don't, then buy one in, from the best blood you can find and start over.

Whatever your chosen type, it's too late to worry about what greyhound blood is in there, your far better worrying if you can find it enough quarry to test it properly..!!

all very true mate but when/if i breed off my black and white bitch i think the best option would be a greyhound and i brought mine in so i know what he can do in the field and all about the dog himself i know excatly how my bitch is bred and what she can do in the field and ive now traced the history of my blue dog through his tattos and finding out what he can do aswell i want good pups in the future for myself not profit and this is what i meant the pups i will have in the future IF i do breed my two i personally will no there history not just some random litter that i know nothing about and thats what is what im getting at mate i suppose its piece of mind if nothing else, you dont want a weak link in any line as once its in it can take years to breed out :thumbs:

 

Then in your case mate, good stuff, your going about it the right way

cheers mate i know you know your stuff stoatarse told me your a good lad :laugh: and glad you see my way of thinking, nothing ventured nothing gained :thumbs:

[stevemac 443]

seems plenty dont give a f**k :doh: maybe why so many shit dogs end up going nowhere the greyhound you use should be tested in the field not just any old track bitch FACT i cant see why or how anyone could see it any other way, if you want a working dog then breed it off working dogs any old greyhound bitch can be bred off but can also throw shite to get the best you got to breed the best :thumbs:

So I take it from your post that you beleive that to top hunters wont through a dud. Youve not breed or hunted many dogs then!

 

Yes it would be nice to have a pool of coursing greyhounds to pick dogs from but in Australia competive coursing was baned in the 70's Victoria was the last state to bring in the ban after dogs were shot, sent to hunters, some went to the dog track to try their hand. but the coursing greyhound was dispersed and disappeared as a group.

The track greyhound is a poor cousin to the coursing dog its true but lets look at the job of the greyhound in the production of a hunting dog. The greyhound is still a sighthound with good eye for movement the greyhound is a sprinter these days thoung with some training can be taught to pace himself a bit and develop slow twitch mussels. And the breed still poses the love of the chase. lets face it a slow greyhound is way faster than any other breed around.

So your starting out with a raw product One thats keen on the chase is alert and loves to smash game. not a bad building block Id say.

[Tassa 64]

Good debate here lad, fact is there is a lot off shite being bred around the country out of crap greyhounds just so lads can line their pockets. If anyone had red Dave Sleights recent articles in EDRD he talked a lot of sense and said, any old greyhound will not do.

[Red Collar 28]

Good debate here lad, fact is there is a lot off shite being bred around the country out of crap greyhounds just so lads can line their pockets. If anyone had red Dave Sleights recent articles in EDRD he talked a lot of sense and said, any old greyhound will not do.

I recently went to hancocks for a three quarter grey quarter collie,speaking to his daughter I asked wer the greys come from,she told me they wer ex track dogs, I asked her why they don't use coursing greys,her answer was the pups from them are too big and strong with wider chests and thicker legs,the more she went on the more I wanted one haha

[Guest INTERNET-HUNTER]

Good debate here lad, fact is there is a lot off shite being bred around the country out of crap greyhounds just so lads can line their pockets. If anyone had red Dave Sleights recent articles in EDRD he talked a lot of sense and said, any old greyhound will not do.

yes mate your spot on there and i remember that article well i went through my earth dogs running dogs only yesterday to find the one with the black "red" fox on the cover as the recent thread reminded me of it. its no 176 march 2007 and in it is another article by dave on his stud dog nobby and in it he says...

" now..., lets get something straight before we go any further. both this and other magazines have had "experts" telling us that "a greyhound is a greyhound" or that "there is only a split second between a good greyhound and a bad one"... absolute rubbish. such things are written by people with no idea about greyhounds - or they come with such crap because they are breeding of discarded rubbish! if you are pumping out pups for profit then any in season bitch is a potential "earner" hence "non triers" "to slow to grade" and "non chasers" are used in such establishments to breed lurchers and if the parents are no good what do you think the offspring will be like?"

100% true in my eyes

[Guest INTERNET-HUNTER]

seems plenty dont give a f**k :doh: maybe why so many shit dogs end up going nowhere the greyhound you use should be tested in the field not just any old track bitch FACT i cant see why or how anyone could see it any other way, if you want a working dog then breed it off working dogs any old greyhound bitch can be bred off but can also throw shite to get the best you got to breed the best :thumbs:

So I take it from your post that you beleive that to top hunters wont through a dud. Youve not breed or hunted many dogs then!

 

Yes it would be nice to have a pool of coursing greyhounds to pick dogs from but in Australia competive coursing was baned in the 70's Victoria was the last state to bring in the ban after dogs were shot, sent to hunters, some went to the dog track to try their hand. but the coursing greyhound was dispersed and disappeared as a group.

The track greyhound is a poor cousin to the coursing dog its true but lets look at the job of the greyhound in the production of a hunting dog. The greyhound is still a sighthound with good eye for movement the greyhound is a sprinter these days thoung with some training can be taught to pace himself a bit and develop slow twitch mussels. And the breed still poses the love of the chase. lets face it a slow greyhound is way faster than any other breed around.

So your starting out with a raw product One thats keen on the chase is alert and loves to smash game. not a bad building block Id say.

no never bred a litter in my life... yet

[NOG 48]

all comes down to giving a shit about other people's dogs and who's breeding what, just get on with it work the dogs and enjoy it, alot of shit gets talked in the lurcher game same old shit time and time again, you got one young greyhound done next to nothing and have loads to say,just get on with it ffs :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy:

[Catcher 1 639]

all comes down to giving a shit about other people's dogs and who's breeding what, just get on with it work the dogs and enjoy it, alot of shit gets talked in the lurcher game same old shit time and time again, you got one young greyhound done next to nothing and have loads to say,just get on with it ffs :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy:

 

 

I find that the most annoying thing on the site.To many experts on other peoples dogs.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Catcher 1

[johnny boy68 11,726]

seems plenty dont give a f**k :doh: maybe why so many shit dogs end up going nowhere the greyhound you use should be tested in the field not just any old track bitch FACT i cant see why or how anyone could see it any other way, if you want a working dog then breed it off working dogs any old greyhound bitch can be bred off but can also throw shite to get the best you got to breed the best :thumbs:

So the lurchers you run now can you trace the greyhound blood used in these dogs?And were these all "working" greyhounds?

I'm not sure if I'm understanding this post properly but are you saying "if" they weren't working greyhounds used in the breeding then they're sub-standard compared to dogs with working greyhound blood in the make up.

Not trying to cause an argument or anything but it seems to me that now you've got a greyhound that was rescued because it was going to be PTS has it wasn't able to make the grade then a "working" grey is the only way.

We'd all like to use the best of the best and know exactly whats in our dogs but sadly its not always feasible

[DottyDoo 500]

every dog i have owned and others i have seen jack over the years all had 1 thing in common

 

 

 

 

greyhound

 

 

 

 

 

thinka bout that

 

 

 

if i was ever gonna use a full grey in the breeding of a litter of lurcher pups, i wouldnt, lol, i would much rather use a fast up an at them well bred coursin dog

Edited February 1, 2011 by DottyDoo

[Catcher 1 639]

To question the abilites a greyhoud brings to the lurcher is bewilldering.

Edited February 2, 2011 by Catcher 1

[Guest INTERNET-HUNTER]

seems plenty dont give a f**k :doh: maybe why so many shit dogs end up going nowhere the greyhound you use should be tested in the field not just any old track bitch FACT i cant see why or how anyone could see it any other way, if you want a working dog then breed it off working dogs any old greyhound bitch can be bred off but can also throw shite to get the best you got to breed the best :thumbs:

So the lurchers you run now can you trace the greyhound blood used in these dogs?And were these all "working" greyhounds?

I'm not sure if I'm understanding this post properly but are you saying "if" they weren't working greyhounds used in the breeding then they're sub-standard compared to dogs with working greyhound blood in the make up.

Not trying to cause an argument or anything but it seems to me that now you've got a greyhound that was rescued because it was going to be PTS has it wasn't able to make the grade then a "working" grey is the only way.

We'd all like to use the best of the best and know exactly whats in our dogs but sadly its not always feasible

not my old bitch mate but ill never breed of her but i do in my youngest bitch and this is the one ill breed off in the future. yes i rescued him thats something ive never not admitted but having him has made me think about all this thats all. i used to think any old grey would do but having one and actually taking a proper interest in the breed made me think otherwise

[Guest INTERNET-HUNTER]

To question the abilites a greyhoud bring to the lurcher is bewilldering.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

seems plenty dont give a f**k :doh: maybe why so many shit dogs end up going nowhere the greyhound you use should be tested in the field not just any old track bitch FACT i cant see why or how anyone could see it any other way, if you want a working dog then breed it off working dogs any old greyhound bitch can be bred off but can also throw shite to get the best you got to breed the best :thumbs:

So the lurchers you run now can you trace the greyhound blood used in these dogs?And were these all "working" greyhounds?

I'm not sure if I'm understanding this post properly but are you saying "if" they weren't working greyhounds used in the breeding then they're sub-standard compared to dogs with working greyhound blood in the make up.

Not trying to cause an argument or anything but it seems to me that now you've got a greyhound that was rescued because it was going to be PTS has it wasn't able to make the grade then a "working" grey is the only way.

We'd all like to use the best of the best and know exactly whats in our dogs but sadly its not always feasible

not my old bitch mate but ill never breed of her but i do in my youngest bitch and this is the one ill breed off in the future. yes i rescued him thats something ive never not admitted but having him has made me think about all this thats all. i used to think any old grey would do but having one and actually taking a proper interest in the breed made me think otherwise

[Guest INTERNET-HUNTER]

all comes down to giving a shit about other people's dogs and who's breeding what, just get on with it work the dogs and enjoy it, alot of shit gets talked in the lurcher game same old shit time and time again, you got one young greyhound done next to nothing and have loads to say,just get on with it ffs :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy: :lazy:

thanks for your positive input to the thread