mattydski 560 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Genuine debate please......... What is the smallest percentage in a dogs history that can have an impact in a cross??? Whats the biggest percentage that shows NO effect??? Quote Link to post
rocky1 942 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 thats a good question Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Theoretically any amount of a breed that goes into the make up of a lurcher at any point in its genetic history will have an effect, it just might not be a visible one. As to the second question - we've all seen 3/4 collie greys that just look like greys, but whilst the quarter collie might not 'show' it obviously has an impact. Out of interest whats your point? Quote Link to post
Guest thebigdog Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 no way to determine what percentage is really in a dog, genetics arent accurate. just because you cross say for example a grey/saluki with a grey/bull dosent mean that you will automaticly get half grey, quarter bull, quarter saluki.people use percentages as a reference point. in reality you could and up with a more greyhound dominant dog, saluki dominant dog, or bull dominant dog, thro of the dice. percentages mean fu ck all, and whats in a dog means fu ck all, to an extent, its not about whats in them, its about what they can do. 5 Quote Link to post
mattydski 560 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Theoretically any amount of a breed that goes into the make up of a lurcher at any point in its genetic history will have an effect, it just might not be a visible one. As to the second question - we've all seen 3/4 collie greys that just look like greys, but whilst the quarter collie might not 'show' it obviously has an impact. Out of interest whats your point? It's something I always think about when I see posts about 1/8 this, 1/8 th that...... Does an 1/8 have an effect???? But as you've quite rightly said....... 3/4 crosses that look nothing like a collie.... For example.... I have a Collie/Grey/Saluki x Beddie (Full)Sire Pup (5 months) And she really is quite racy......... With Saluki ears and a Beddie Mask Cant see any Collie.......(But shes not thick) Cant see any Grey, but she has long legs and getting quite muscualr..... See where i'm coming from??? Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Theoretically any amount of a breed that goes into the make up of a lurcher at any point in its genetic history will have an effect, it just might not be a visible one. As to the second question - we've all seen 3/4 collie greys that just look like greys, but whilst the quarter collie might not 'show' it obviously has an impact. Out of interest whats your point? It's something I always think about when I see posts about 1/8 this, 1/8 th that...... Does an 1/8 have an effect???? But as you've quite rightly said....... 3/4 crosses that look nothing like a collie.... For example.... I have a Collie/Grey/Saluki x Beddie (Full)Sire Pup (5 months) And she really is quite racy......... With Saluki ears and a Beddie Mask Cant see any Collie.......(But shes not thick) Cant see any Grey, but she has long legs and getting quite muscualr..... See where i'm coming from??? Its interesting, as has been said when you cross dogs the % is just a guide because the genetic selection is random so what comes out is a random expression of the parents genetic material. Hence litter variation. There is also the factor of dominant and recessive genes and genes that follow the maternal/paternal line. I would guess also that when crossing different combinations in lurchers the genes in some dogs cancel out or override those of others (in terms of visible expression). I suppose also the individual dog has to come into it and their own genetic makeup as every beddy etc is not a clone. Sometimes you see a pup that throws very much like in looks a grandsire/dam or greatgrandsire/dam. Complicated. Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 the reason people line breed, br,ed the same type or simliar is so you dont get all the pigs and pokes stuff bred collie type to saluk type they turned out decent dogs some very good but wouldnt throw any more than that into th e pot you see some saying there dog is got several things in it i cringe as i breed for myself and to sell afew would hate to end up with a small beddie thing or over large deerhoundy thing for game , to many people breed without even thinking what percentage of pups going be like ,most good dog breders of working lurchers go for feet pace stamina were alot dont they just go for looks etc furry coat strange but intresting 4 Quote Link to post
HAMMERDAN 25 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I have a bull whippet x jrt and you can hardly tell he has any bull in him what so ever, he's real racey obviously coming from the whippet side of stuff and has no characteristics of a jacky, dog's work in mysterious ways. Quote Link to post
mattydski 560 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 the reason people line breed, br,ed the same type or simliar is so you dont get all the pigs and pokes stuff bred collie type to saluk type they turned out decent dogs some very good but wouldnt throw any more than that into th e pot you see some saying there dog is got several things in it i cringe as i breed for myself and to sell afew would hate to end up with a small beddie thing or over large deerhoundy thing for game , to many people breed without even thinking what percentage of pups going be like ,most good dog breders of working lurchers go for feet pace stamina were alot dont they just go for looks etc furry coat strange but intresting Good points there Whin... Quote Link to post
jarv5116 57 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think its hit or a miss, dont think you know what ur dog is going turn out like, if its for example a saluki/collie/grey x bedlington/grey/whippet. I think its a pure hit or miss what ur getting. Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I've said it before, but on here folk are far to hung up on percentages..!! As far as i've seen, when there is more than two different breeds involved, then its all just a throw of the dice on how they will turn out, now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of dogs that contain the assets of the different breeds in the mix but rather than say it has a drop of this or a little of that, folk work out percentages like a chemist. With their fractions worked out so well they would be do better dealing drugs than breeding lurchers! Yep, it's all well and good to know what breeds make up our dogs but the lurcher world would do better to look to how their dogs parents perform, rather than dissapointing themselves because it dosen't do as what was written on the packet! 1 Quote Link to post
Guest RAB.MCKAY Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I've said it before, but on here folk are far to hung up on percentages..!! As far as i've seen, when there is more than two different breeds involved, then its all just a throw of the dice on how they will turn out, now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of dogs that contain the assets of the different breeds in the mix but rather than say it has a drop of this or a little of that, folk work out percentages like a chemist. With their fractions worked out so well they would be do better dealing drugs than breeding lurchers! Yep, it's all well and good to know what breeds make up our dogs but the lurcher world would do better to look to how their dogs parents perform, rather than dissapointing themselves because it dosen't do as what was written on the packet! good read Quote Link to post
nighteyes 275 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 i think differnt breeds genes are stronger than others,like the bull gene seems domiant same as the beddy gene,im not into 1/8 this and that, imo they normarly throw to the sire that bit more or the dam, you still get the mix but pups will throw that little bit one way or the other imo Quote Link to post
rocky1 942 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) i think differnt breeds genes are stronger than others,like the bull gene seems domiant same as the beddy gene,im not into 1/8 this and that, imo they normarly throw to the sire that bit more or the dam, you still get the mix but pups will throw that little bit one way or the other imo bred my bitch twice and the first bred her with a deerhound grey f1 and shes 1/4 deerhound 1/4 bull 1/2 grey smooth coat had 5 pups 4 deerhound types and 1 smooth all different coulors from the sire and dam ,and the second time bred her with smooth bullx and she had 9 all came out smooth 4 the same colour as the sire and 5 brindle like the bitch its mad anything could happen and all the pups from first litter which are now 3 are all dfferent in size ,shape the only thing thats the same is they all singlhanded dogs Edited January 30, 2011 by rocky1 Quote Link to post
Guest TERRIERCENTRAL Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I prefure not to have more than 3 types in the make up of my lurchers idealy only two types. : thumbs: Quote Link to post
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