teckels used for ground work

[waidmann 105]

the dachs hound is a "pure breed" the only categories are due to size and weight, standard,dwarf, and rabbit teckel ( they really are tiny, and really are used like a ferret lol).

 

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[fat man 4,741]

A friend of mine has a small gun pack consisting of 8 harriers and 2 foot beagels.Recently the two beagles have started to go to ground when the harriers are marking.Theyve had to be dug out twice and are becoming a problem as it holds up the days hunting

[tearem 31]

I'd say there is a difference between going or trying to go to ground to defenseless game like rabbits. Or fox, badger, raccoon etc. I don't know if woodchuck are defenseless, I've heard they are small but can bite. Funny that Beagles try to dig themselves in, though. They must be the real sort.

The problem with teckels, dachshund or whatever you want to call them (and yes, they are a FCI or kennel club registered breed in 3 different sizes and coat shapes) is that they are admired, and bought, by non hunting public and so bred by most breeders that they will hunt only on paper, and their shape doesn't make them fit for hunting distance.

The owner must be blamed, Waidmann sais, well then in Holland, Belgium and Germany there are a lot of owners who over estimate their teckels, for they all use them to track wounded game. No one in these countries wants to buy a working terrier, who can easily catch a roe deer in flight with 3 legs, or outrun and hold in place a big wounded boar; a teckel cannot. Still, the latter breed is being presented by its breeders as the best dog for doing such work and with easier disposition than a terrier, which has a bad reputation. I have some very quiet, easy going, but hard hunting terriers though. And many teckels I know, are a problem with people and dogs.

Then I blame the breeders of teckels for breeding them so low set and with such extreme long backs. They weren't always like that! Show made them so! But then give up on hunting and don't force a dog you first breed into a deformed shape, to hunt like he used to when he was still fit and able.

It's all just a matter of fashion.

I have a fifth generation of non pedigree working terriers, whose (grand) parents hunted till they dropped, and have the greatest of problems to put them all with hunters for say 200 euro, while teckels are being sold as bona fide hunting dogs by posers for 1000 euros.

Many times someone has ordered a terrier pup from me (especially after having seen them work) but once the pups were born they let me down because they had already bought a teckel.

But people want to be deceived, and are very prone to fashion. Then let them be deceived, and have their fashionable dog, and love it.

I know a teckel will never be able to compete in England, terrier country, against real working terriers, mostly because of their absurd shape, (in the Lake district a teckel wouldn't survive one rock earth, or a day out up on the hills if he had to walk up) although there are some really good ones working on the continent.

Ah well there are a lot of terriers nowadays unable to work, most cannot work and only a few can.

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

I'd say there is a difference between going or trying to go to ground to defenseless game like rabbits. Or fox, badger, raccoon etc. I don't know if woodchuck are defenseless, I've heard they are small but can bite. Funny that Beagles try to dig themselves in, though. They must be the real sort.

The problem with teckels, dachshund or whatever you want to call them (and yes, they are a FCI or kennel club registered breed in 3 different sizes and coat shapes) is that they are admired, and bought, by non hunting public and so bred by most breeders that they will hunt only on paper, and their shape doesn't make them fit for hunting distance.

The owner must be blamed, Waidmann sais, well then in Holland, Belgium and Germany there are a lot of owners who over estimate their teckels, for they all use them to track wounded game. No one in these countries wants to buy a working terrier, who can easily catch a roe deer in flight with 3 legs, or outrun and hold in place a big wounded boar; a teckel cannot. Still, the latter breed is being presented by its breeders as the best dog for doing such work and with easier disposition than a terrier, which has a bad reputation. I have some very quiet, easy going, but hard hunting terriers though. And many teckels I know, are a problem with people and dogs.

Then I blame the breeders of teckels for breeding them so low set and with such extreme long backs. They weren't always like that! Show made them so! But then give up on hunting and don't force a dog you first breed into a deformed shape, to hunt like he used to when he was still fit and able.

It's all just a matter of fashion.

I have a fifth generation of non pedigree working terriers, whose (grand) parents hunted till they dropped, and have the greatest of problems to put them all with hunters for say 200 euro, while teckels are being sold as bona fide hunting dogs by posers for 1000 euros.

Many times someone has ordered a terrier pup from me (especially after having seen them work) but once the pups were born they let me down because they had already bought a teckel.

But people want to be deceived, and are very prone to fashion. Then let them be deceived, and have their fashionable dog, and love it.

I know a teckel will never be able to compete in England, terrier country, against real working terriers, mostly because of their absurd shape, (in the Lake district a teckel wouldn't survive one rock earth, or a day out up on the hills if he had to walk up) although there are some really good ones working on the continent.

Ah well there are a lot of terriers nowadays unable to work, most cannot work and only a few can.

 

good thread and a refreshing post mate

my uncle got a russel x yorkie looks just like a teckel its still alive now still at 17 game as a badger not that this has anything to do with this thread lol

[waidmann 105]

i see we must agree to disagree on the point that a teckel can and will work all day long.

 

i have worked teckel ove years above and below ground ( i automaticly presumed when we spoke of ground work that rabbits were not the target and that we were speaking of standard/dwarf teckel which are also very game dogs)

 

i have never found the teckel (or jagd for that matter) to be lacking in any department they were trained work (bushing,wide searching for boar and deer,tracking (warm and cold trail up to 100 hours on trials) but that may be because i tend not to hunt with fashion concious pet owners.

 

indeed the dogs that were owned by "non hunting" people had the same training and attitude to work as those owned by hunting men and women in the club (it often led to them doing a hunting licence tbf).

 

that "fashion kept fifi's" are bred from is i am afraid utter bull, they will not get papers from the "dtk" (teckel club) unless the parents are up to "breeding standard" ( form and a minimum of trials, trail loud,form at least good/very good and the fox trial in a man made earth to name a few).

a ywith all working dogs buy from working lines and you have a good chance of getting the potential to START with ( this system must be seen as better by far than breeding terriers with no trial and no papers? on trust basis? shit who can you trust?).the tekel has been a breed since well before 1888 so i would say thats more than just fashion!

 

sounds to me mate that you have the hump after seing one or two teckel work and being messed with while selling your pups, i would ask you not to generalise ( look at the figures for foxes and badgers accounted for by teckel and jagd terrier last year, they compare very well!!!)

 

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