teckels used for ground work

[alcamy22 7]

hey seen a teckel (wirehaired dachshund) working underground and he was a real hardy little bastxxd the fox bolted with teckel attached anyone else work this hardy little fellows underground

[fish 148]

hey seen a teckel (wirehaired dachshund) working underground and he was a real hardy little bastxxd the fox bolted with teckel attached anyone else work this hardy little fellows underground

seen a few go

[Guest Leveller]

I have done but they were shit!

[alcamy22 7]

hey seen a teckel (wirehaired dachshund) working underground and he was a real hardy little bastxxd the fox bolted with teckel attached anyone else work this hardy little fellows underground

seen a few go

 

 

would you rate them at all

[fish 148]

hey seen a teckel (wirehaired dachshund) working underground and he was a real hardy little bastxxd the fox bolted with teckel attached anyone else work this hardy little fellows underground

seen a few go

 

 

would you rate them at all

that little lot seem to do all right.iv dug to them quit a lot and they dont seem to get hurt to much.ther not mine.i keep pats.

[tearem 31]

They are being worked in Germany on a regular basis and some are good to ground but they are very extremely built: not athletic, but with too long backs and too short, often crooked legs, and a ridiculously deep and wide chest. They can't work in stone or earths with steep tubes or in bunkers; when they fall down a chimney or over a steep edge they can't jump or climb out again.

Those from working lines have good nose and flushing capacities, and open up on warm line so you hear them hunt. This is because they are meant to be used in thick cover where you can't see dog nor quarry untill they come out.

Needless to say that a dog with such construction is unable to do the average of 20 + miles a day through heavy terrain at a sweep hunt to wild boar. And because they are so helplessly low set they cannot quickly avoid the boar when it attacks. It is a misconception that the boar then misses or goes over the teckel, in fact teckels get hit and seriously wounded quite often if they are being used to flush boar, because they are too slow.

So the good ones are willing, but being bred in such a weird shape by people, it makes work hard for them.

Do you know by the way, that a century ago, the rough coated teckels, now so popular with continental hunters, came from crosses with Dandie Dinmont and Scotch terriers (source: Rudolf Friess, Bodenjagd) when these were still working breeds?

The original teckel is a (extremely short legged) hound and hunts like a hound, although in its history it was crossed with other hunting dogs. The short coated one is the most original, the long coated one was crossed with spaniels, so they say. The teckel was created with such short legs so that they could be followed by foot folk when they were flushing and tracking hares and rabbits from coverts, and could be shot over, or stubbornly chased the prey slowly, giving tongue, untill it returned back to where it came from, in the original hound manner. The type of teckel must be very old as it was already mentioned in the 15- th century as a dog bred in Flanders, very low set and strong, among others, to go to ground to badger. They were, and still are, also used to track and find wounded big game.

[waidmann 105]

a well informed reply there!!!

i would disagree that the teckel has bowed/crooked legs and that it is not capable of 20 = miles a day on driven shoots though.

the only problem i have seen with teckel is that they have trouble in snow ( short legs!!!! then they will be slow to react when attacked by boar, i have seen more jagd terrier and bigger dogs "hit" than teckel tp be fair).

 

hut ab und waidmannsheil!!!

 

edited to add, some of the best earth dogs i have seen have been teckel (never had one get stuck yet, allthough it is true that the short legs may hinder jumping the long back helps them climb in my experiance).

Edited January 24, 2011 by waidmann

[tearem 31]

The best hunting teckels are those bred without official papers. I know someone from Belgium who has teckels a bit higher on the legs, (more the sort you see in the previous French picture) at least one of them bolted over 100 foxes in 2 or 3 seasons. This must be without any doubt, a good worker.

But the FCI teckel breeders in Holland and Belgium, if they don't only breed for SHOW, do nothing but artificial tests in all the countries of Europe, to collect "trophies" (test wins) on their pedigrees, and then sell their pups for incredible prices. I invited one of them, whom you will meet in every Belgian and most Dutch dog shows, who sells his teckels for 1000 Euro a piece as hunting dogs. He was going to a test: artificial earth badger in Croatia or so, I said you shouldn't go so far, the German border is only an hour's drive and 1 August he is open. Show your dogs and come with me. He never popped up. Later, he was invited to a hunt where I usually go, but I couldn't go that day, and they messed up. He was too big (fat) to dig even a little bit, and so was his mate, so after 30 cm. in sand they had to stop digging, and his teckels he let with 2 or 3 in an "earth" which was just a rabbit warren, and they started fighting inside. Which in my eyes is inexperience (to say the least)in the practical hunting field. You should hear this man brag over what he and his dogs achieve in France! He cannot even dig!

Pretenders, is the word.

I will not say a German terrier is intelligent, although there are exceptions, they are a difficult breed, but used in great numbers for boar hunting in Germany and France, in fact, they are for that purpose at the moment the number one dog. So they get hit more often, too. Big dogs get practically hit more often because they are big and get stuck in the heavy bush where the pig hides. You must experience with what rush and anger and agility such a huge boar comes storming forward to strike the dog! Teckels are however, fashionable pets, loved family members, and therefore mostly kept on the leash and not so often let out to hunt the pigs over terrain. A teckel gets hopelessly stuck in heather, for exemple, and many a time I had to overdo a search for wounded game after the teckel returned: either he couldn't get there, wouldn't because he was afraid (they are careful enough, after all they are not terriers but hounds) or the game was running through thick cover, in young fir and spruce, through blackthorn and broom, and they couldn't shoot and the teckel couldn't outrun and catch it.

Another problem with teckels (and a lot of Jagdterriers!) is they're extremely jealous, and will fight other dogs over a fallen boar, stag or fox. So they are mostly unable to hunt in packs, they are originally lone hunters and not pack dogs. In Germany, breeders try their best to alter Jagdterriers so that they do function in packs without any hassell. But since they cannot outcross they have a long, if not impossible way to go.

[Penda 3,341]

Supposed in there day they were a good dog and ideal for the job but over time the breed changes not my type of earth dog but they must have there uses

[waidmann 105]

The best hunting teckels are those bred without official papers. I know someone from Belgium who has teckels a bit higher on the legs, (more the sort you see in the previous French picture) at least one of them bolted over 100 foxes in 2 or 3 seasons. This must be without any doubt, a good worker.

But the FCI teckel breeders in Holland and Belgium, if they don't only breed for SHOW, do nothing but artificial tests in all the countries of Europe, to collect "trophies" (test wins) on their pedigrees, and then sell their pups for incredible prices. I invited one of them, whom you will meet in every Belgian and most Dutch dog shows, who sells his teckels for 1000 Euro a piece as hunting dogs. He was going to a test: artificial earth badger in Croatia or so, I said you shouldn't go so far, the German border is only an hour's drive and 1 August he is open. Show your dogs and come with me. He never popped up. Later, he was invited to a hunt where I usually go, but I couldn't go that day, and they messed up. He was too big (fat) to dig even a little bit, and so was his mate, so after 30 cm. in sand they had to stop digging, and his teckels he let with 2 or 3 in an "earth" which was just a rabbit warren, and they started fighting inside. Which in my eyes is inexperience (to say the least)in the practical hunting field. You should hear this man brag over what he and his dogs achieve in France! He cannot even dig!

Pretenders, is the word.

I will not say a German terrier is intelligent, although there are exceptions, they are a difficult breed, but used in great numbers for boar hunting in Germany and France, in fact, they are for that purpose at the moment the number one dog. So they get hit more often, too. Big dogs get practically hit more often because they are big and get stuck in the heavy bush where the pig hides. You must experience with what rush and anger and agility such a huge boar comes storming forward to strike the dog! Teckels are however, fashionable pets, loved family members, and therefore mostly kept on the leash and not so often let out to hunt the pigs over terrain. A teckel gets hopelessly stuck in heather, for exemple, and many a time I had to overdo a search for wounded game after the teckel returned: either he couldn't get there, wouldn't because he was afraid (they are careful enough, after all they are not terriers but hounds) or the game was running through thick cover, in young fir and spruce, through blackthorn and broom, and they couldn't shoot and the teckel couldn't outrun and catch it.

Another problem with teckels (and a lot of Jagdterriers!) is they're extremely jealous, and will fight other dogs over a fallen boar, stag or fox. So they are mostly unable to hunt in packs, they are originally lone hunters and not pack dogs. In Germany, breeders try their best to alter Jagdterriers so that they do function in packs without any hassell. But since they cannot outcross they have a long, if not impossible way to go.

 

 

i am not doubting your experiance of teckel (or their owners, i have seen enough belgian and dutch turning up at shows in germany!!).

but surely you are confusing the teckel with a dachshund? ( teckel is a working dachs hound). any teckel used for a follow up on "flighty" ( fluechtiges) game/wild is not at fault for his lack in speed but his handler for taking on too much for his dog!!!!!! ( any follow up requireing a chase ( hetz) should be done by a dog capable of catching and holding!) ground sign will dertermine whether any dog can folllow up, if not available ( 1000 reasons for this, over keen shooters,first available dog follow ups eating them ( i have seen a few lol ) or simply the weather). then a capable dog should be used or a a chasing dog( hetz hund) added to the team.

these are not failures of the teckel but the handler.

 

if you want a dog to hunt take a teckel, that he will take into possesion what he has ( the kill) is clear, he is a blood hound and it is part of the trial for them to do this, a hunting up teckel must be "kill clean" and move on.

 

that the teckel will not hunt in packs i beg to differ, mine would hunt alone untill "stand laut" ( standing tongue) and would then if possible help in, as would the jagd and parsons which ran with them( often from different packs might i add!!).

 

the teckel is a working dog through and through and i find the pet owner" thing" a bit strange forsomeone whohas read "boden jagd" or any other book tbf, no insult intended.

 

waidmannsheil!!

 

michael

[STUNTMAN 552]

Tearem I agree , A good friend in the states has them and hunts every day on rabbit on woodchuck some fox. The better ones had more leg and almost never get hurt or have to be put up and will hunt the next day.

 

 

 

 

The best hunting teckels are those bred without official papers. I know someone from Belgium who has teckels a bit higher on the legs, (more the sort you see in the previous French picture) at least one of them bolted over 100 foxes in 2 or 3 seasons. This must be without any doubt, a good worker.

But the FCI teckel breeders in Holland and Belgium, if they don't only breed for SHOW, do nothing but artificial tests in all the countries of Europe, to collect "trophies" (test wins) on their pedigrees, and then sell their pups for incredible prices. I invited one of them, whom you will meet in every Belgian and most Dutch dog shows, who sells his teckels for 1000 Euro a piece as hunting dogs. He was going to a test: artificial earth badger in Croatia or so, I said you shouldn't go so far, the German border is only an hour's drive and 1 August he is open. Show your dogs and come with me. He never popped up. Later, he was invited to a hunt where I usually go, but I couldn't go that day, and they messed up. He was too big (fat) to dig even a little bit, and so was his mate, so after 30 cm. in sand they had to stop digging, and his teckels he let with 2 or 3 in an "earth" which was just a rabbit warren, and they started fighting inside. Which in my eyes is inexperience (to say the least)in the practical hunting field. You should hear this man brag over what he and his dogs achieve in France! He cannot even dig!

Pretenders, is the word.

I will not say a German terrier is intelligent, although there are exceptions, they are a difficult breed, but used in great numbers for boar hunting in Germany and France, in fact, they are for that purpose at the moment the number one dog. So they get hit more often, too. Big dogs get practically hit more often because they are big and get stuck in the heavy bush where the pig hides. You must experience with what rush and anger and agility such a huge boar comes storming forward to strike the dog! Teckels are however, fashionable pets, loved family members, and therefore mostly kept on the leash and not so often let out to hunt the pigs over terrain. A teckel gets hopelessly stuck in heather, for exemple, and many a time I had to overdo a search for wounded game after the teckel returned: either he couldn't get there, wouldn't because he was afraid (they are careful enough, after all they are not terriers but hounds) or the game was running through thick cover, in young fir and spruce, through blackthorn and broom, and they couldn't shoot and the teckel couldn't outrun and catch it.

Another problem with teckels (and a lot of Jagdterriers!) is they're extremely jealous, and will fight other dogs over a fallen boar, stag or fox. So they are mostly unable to hunt in packs, they are originally lone hunters and not pack dogs. In Germany, breeders try their best to alter Jagdterriers so that they do function in packs without any hassell. But since they cannot outcross they have a long, if not impossible way to go.

[darrell jnr 16]

very interesting thread lads,waidman fella you certainly no your teckels fella good stuff?? atb..yis..darrell.

[Waz 4,266]

They are ok'ish more often than not when ive seen them in the ground they are doubled up (or more...)

The odd one will make a good digging dog (single handed). There nose is normally very good, and once youve got one experienced about kick backed walled in game in the rangey places then it'd be worth feeding.

[goldfinch2007 2,332]

good thread lads

[tinytiger 840]

They are ok'ish more often than not when ive seen them in the ground they are doubled up (or more...)

The odd one will make a good digging dog (single handed). There nose is normally very good, and once youve got one experienced about kick backed walled in game in the rangey places then it'd be worth feeding.

 

 

youd get the odd beagle that makes a good single handed digging dog as well,the first dog i ever saw dug to when i was around 7 was a small footbeagle bitch.

 

Are teckels a purebreed of dog, ? i thought they had varying classes a,b,c etc depending on the amount of other blood in them.