trooperman 73 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi John dont know you but feel we all know each other on here,,,any way if i was you i would not touch any of the straight pull rifles,,if you get into some where tight you can knock the bolt open and chuck a live round on the deck,,,got a mate who had the Browning and sold it for this reason he had it 4 months and knocked the bolt open loads of times. paul Quote Link to post
SNAP SHOT 194 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 energy graph states that the hmr is far more effective than the hmr2, And that you need to be closer to the target to hit it, check out varmint al's .17hmr testing.... Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi John dont know you but feel we all know each other on here,,,any way if i was you i would not touch any of the straight pull rifles,,if you get into some where tight you can knock the bolt open and chuck a live round on the deck,,,got a mate who had the Browning and sold it for this reason he had it 4 months and knocked the bolt open loads of times. paul I get where ou're coming from, but unless you're climbing up through heavy brush or presenting the rifle through a window at an acute angle, I have gotten close to opening the bolt on my annnie a few times too as it's not locked down by the safety, so not a problem exclusivley of SP rifles, I like the look of the T-bolt I'd definitely consider one in .22 if I ever needed one... Quote Link to post
trooperman 73 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi John dont know you but feel we all know each other on here,,,any way if i was you i would not touch any of the straight pull rifles,,if you get into some where tight you can knock the bolt open and chuck a live round on the deck,,,got a mate who had the Browning and sold it for this reason he had it 4 months and knocked the bolt open loads of times. paul I get where ou're coming from, but unless you're climbing up through heavy brush or presenting the rifle through a window at an acute angle, I have gotten close to opening the bolt on my annnie a few times too as it's not locked down by the safety, so not a problem exclusivley of SP rifles, I like the look of the T-bolt I'd definitely consider one in .22 if I ever needed one... hi not just dence brush my friend is a lefty and opened the bolt on jacket belt loops and pocket flap,,,,but its not so much knocking bolt open more looseing round for some one else to find if you get stray walkers(as they seem to think they can go where they like). paul Quote Link to post
kev1986 0 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 out to 120 yards there is hardly any diference between the hmr and the mach 2 in the way of trajectory, obvisouly there is a big difference in energy with the mach 2 only 166ftlb at the muzzle but as both calibers are only really mean for small vermin control (rabbits ) this dont come as a problem , on the other hand if most of the shoting is further than 120 yards then the hmr comes into its own hands down but for a rabbit gun with flat trajectory, very accurate round and cheap ammo its mach 2 all the way Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 oh right! I tought Browning made left handed T-bolts as well... Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 oh right! I tought Browning made left handed T-bolts as well... You daft sod! Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 well they're listed on the Browning US site (LH T-bolts) but not on the international site,so I guess the make them but just aren't importing them US site: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=021B&cat_id=025&type_id=186&content=t-bolt-composite-sporter-left-hand-firearms International site: http://www.browningint.com/products/firearm.php?productsarea=browning&sommaire=Rifles&classe=22%20LR&famille=T-BOLT+SPORTER+COMPOSITE+THREADED Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 well they're listed on the Browning US site (LH T-bolts) but not on the international site,so I guess the make them but just aren't importing them US site: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=021B&cat_id=025&type_id=186&content=t-bolt-composite-sporter-left-hand-firearms International site: http://www.browningint.com/products/firearm.php?productsarea=browning&sommaire=Rifles&classe=22%20LR&famille=T-BOLT+SPORTER+COMPOSITE+THREADED Weird! Straight pull bolt action in left or right hand versions? Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 The HMR is a good round for what it is good at! The Sako is also a decent rifle, and unless there is some issue with yours you will be very unlikely to buy another field tool you will find to be any more accurate. A Heavy barrel will not help accuracy in the field, it will just tire you out quicker carting it about. Many like/prefer heavy barrels and get on with them, but that is simply a personal choice and not born out of any intrinsic accuracy benefit. It sound like you do just want a change, so a very difficult one to answer. Some models of rifle are no longer being chambered in .17HM2, I think that says it all for this round. The WMR has come a long way in the last few years and despite it's decline in the UK over the last few years it is still VERY popular in the US. Several new rounds have become available over the last couple of years and CCI actually make more different types of WMR than HMR. Some of the 40g WMR hit good and hard but as someone else mentioned some of the newer lighter ballistic tip rounds are very good. Power is up on the HMR whichever way you look at it and of course they punch a bigger hole. Tales of the WMR being inaccurate are bull. The worst of my WMR rounds give me about 1.5" groups on a bad day, on a good day I can bring that back to about 1.25". My best are about 0.75" consistently, or slightly better. Truth is I have never got the WMR quite as tight as the HMR, but even at 1.5" (with my worst ammo which just doesn't suit the barrel) you just took a bunnies head off at 100yards. It may be slightly less accurate than the HMR but it makes up for it in size and weight and energy at the point of arrival! Good luck in your quest for a new rifle! Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Sorry RicW, I'm really not sure what to make sure of your posts , if you could just clarify, I'm not sure whether you're playing devils' advocate or quite what. Edited January 30, 2011 by danebrewer10 Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Sorry RicW, I'm really not sure what to make sure of your posts , if you could just clarify, I'm not sure whether you're playing devils' advocate or quite what. PM sent. Quote Link to post
geordieh 74 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 The HMR is a good round for what it is good at! The Sako is also a decent rifle, and unless there is some issue with yours you will be very unlikely to buy another field tool you will find to be any more accurate. A Heavy barrel will not help accuracy in the field, it will just tire you out quicker carting it about. Many like/prefer heavy barrels and get on with them, but that is simply a personal choice and not born out of any intrinsic accuracy benefit. It sound like you do just want a change, so a very difficult one to answer. Some models of rifle are no longer being chambered in .17HM2, I think that says it all for this round. The WMR has come a long way in the last few years and despite it's decline in the UK over the last few years it is still VERY popular in the US. Several new rounds have become available over the last couple of years and CCI actually make more different types of WMR than HMR. Some of the 40g WMR hit good and hard but as someone else mentioned some of the newer lighter ballistic tip rounds are very good. Power is up on the HMR whichever way you look at it and of course they punch a bigger hole. Tales of the WMR being inaccurate are bull. The worst of my WMR rounds give me about 1.5" groups on a bad day, on a good day I can bring that back to about 1.25". My best are about 0.75" consistently, or slightly better. Truth is I have never got the WMR quite as tight as the HMR, but even at 1.5" (with my worst ammo which just doesn't suit the barrel) you just took a bunnies head off at 100yards. It may be slightly less accurate than the HMR but it makes up for it in size and weight and energy at the point of arrival! Good luck in your quest for a new rifle! Hi All And you can have the 22 WMR in semi auto Geordie Quote Link to post
geordieh 74 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hi John Sorry just noticed you are from Southern Ireland i don't know if you can have semi auto 22 wmr or not over there Geordie Quote Link to post
gerald butler 0 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Get rid of the HMR and get a WMR instead! The new ballistic tipped 30 grain WMR's have the same ballistics as the HMR, but much better down range energy delivery! Then get rid of the WMR and get yourself a CZ 527 Hornet which will outshoot both of them Quote Link to post
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