GREYHOUND/DEERHOUND X

[lampinglurcher 36]

doxhope, have you anything to say on the matter? if you're posting mate, any advise would be appreciated by all IMO (having had 1 deerhondx) they need to be mentally mature before they are tested on the harder stuff, but should be allowed to chase bunnies etc to develop the "killer instinct" necessary for the job required. every dog is different and having only had 1 (loved her and would definately have another) im not the best authority on the matter.

[Guest Nightwalker]

my word, he is a nice one ... hope you have him jumping lol... i wouldnt like to be carryin him over a fence... if you were over here would he take fox??? whats your opinion on them being slow to mature??? the sire of molly was a deerhound/collie/grey and he was a nightmare till he was about 2 or slightly over!! the reason i asked is that there was someone else saying his deerhound crosses were all ready at just over a year old and that the reputation for being slow to mature was nonsense!!

 

 

It is nonsense, there were several of us on here saying that in those far off pre-ban days, our deerhound crosses all killed large quarry before they were 12 months old. A lot depends on upbringing, if you don't put the effort in, feed the dog properly, exercise it properly and get the dog out and about with you from an early age and allow it to chase and to learn then both you and the dog will be poorer for it. These dogs are capable of becoming superb all round hunters and devastating on large game but most people seem to have have no idea how to bring a dog up to maximise it's potential.

 

There are a small band of people about who consistently get good results with all sorts of dogs but there are lots of inexperienced people on here who overgeneralise from very limited experience and also, sadly, huge numbers of people who have mediocre dog after mediocre dog and always blame the dogs rather than look closer to home for the explanation of their serial mediocrity. Which type of dog man you want to be and which type of dogman do you want to listen to?

 

 

If Scotty scrolls back through the archives he will find lots of information about deerhound crosses without deerhound enthusiasts like me having to repost things we have said at length in the past - the thread called 'deerhound pup' currently on page 9 of the 'Running dogs and hounds' archive (see buttons at near the bottom left of screen on the front page of the 'Running dogs and hounds' forum ) would be a good place to start. They will do as well as most on small game but really excel on large game

i dont quiet know who your refering to mate but as you said about up bringing and taking the dog out and about with you at an early age and allow it to chase and learn makes sense but i did everyday twice a day with my deerhound X and actually fetched him up with a saluki X both from the age of 13 weeks,both seeing rabbits on a daily basis,as they were both growing up together the saluki X seemed to be much keener and by the time they were 12 months old the saluki X was picking rabbits up on peace but the deerhound X wasn't really interested at this piont,im not compairing the two X's by no means but just giving you an example of the same up bringing same feed and same exercise but i stuck at him as many people probably wouldn't of, he was two years old when he killed his first rabbit i know that they aren't bred far rabbits but what i mean is that he used to chase them from 18 months but with no killer instinct,he just stayed 10 yards behind them until they ran to cover,the frustrating part was that i had to praise him for doing that,anyway 6 months later something just clicked and he wanted them you could see him droping a cog on the strike and actually chucking his weight about and even rolling over on some occasions on the pick up,i couldn't say why he was slower on coming on because he had the same up bringing as its kennel mate but all i can say now is that i'm pleased i stuck with him,oldskool i hope that answers your question aswell mate

 

Obviously they all mature at different rates but for a big dog the humble rabbit is actually a more demanding quarry than some deer species. In the past I used to specialise in large game so I have had bigger than average dogs for quite a number of years, the comments I am going to make next obviously refer to a time before the ban, but my current bitch's (29" and 85lbs) first catch was a pheasant, I think she had a roe next, then rabbit, then fox, then muntjac, then hare and on the day when the ban came in had accounted for more deer than rabbits (following a series of disastrous rabbitting accidents I got nervous for a while about running top class deer dogs on rabbits). The first cross dog pup I had before her (30 1/2 " and about 95lbs) caught a fox first then a roe, then muntjac then hare, then rabbit. The one before him (31" and 102 lbs) first kill (again accidental) was as a second dog on a roe

 

Given a bit of space and freedom, virtually any running dog pup will do a huge amount of running, my bitch had coursed and 'killed' the terrier and a lot of local dogs at exercise a thousand times before she caught any live quarry. One of my best friends is a greyhound trainer, he keeps whole litters of great big greyhound saplings in fenced off paddocks, running them on until they are mature enough to be time trialled so he can pick out likely winners. Sometimes I have stood and watched those hounds tearing round and round and round flat out, play fighting and tackling each other and laughed at the idea that some people have that longdog saplings are fragile.

 

Everyone wants to do the best by their pups, but they are nothing like as fragile as some people think. Of course it is daft to exhaust a pup and risk injuring it with hours and hours of lamping or repeated coursing, but a run now and then wont do any harm. The larger deerhound crosses aren't the best daytime rabbit dogs - a beddie/whippet is the kind of thing you want for that, most will murder rabbits on the lamp (I was out earlier and my bitch killed as many rabbits as I wanted to carry in the space of about 20 minutes).

Pups brought up my way, have an enormous drive to catch game and actually for a big dog, the humble rabbit who is rarely far from home takes a lot of catching, an 11 or 12 month old deerhound or deerhound/grey that struggles on rabbits will often do much better on roe or other larger game - which provided the dog has a fair turn of speed and the courage to tackle, actually take less dexterity to catch than a twisting turning three pound rabbit.

 

I think that the question of maturity depends partly on the dog, partly on how you rear the dog and partly on the quarry you hunt, these dogs are really designed for large game and will often manage large game well before they master smaller game and in my experience, although they will love lamping rabbits, they never quite show the same keeness in the daytime on a rabbit that they will on a deer.

[marco 24]

good post nightwalker

[elma-fudd 0]

Here is my dog Sire is GREY/DEERXSALUKI Dam Grey/DeerXWhippet. He is 15 months old 27" @ the shoulder and last time i weighed him he was 28 kilos(60lbs) He has been on the lamp a couple of times and has no problems catching rabbits,He isnt so hot in the daytime on them on short runs. Once he gets into his stride on the bigger stuff, lets say he is getting there Pleased with his progress so far considering he is still a pup

 

 

thats a very tidy dog credit to yea mate

[Kane 2]

HELLO

THINKING OF GETTING GREY/DEER X.....IVE NEVER HAD A DOG WITH DEERHOUND IN IT BEFORE I CAN IMAGINE THEY ARE GOOD ON FOX BUT WHAT ABOUT LAMPING RABBITS? ALSO WHAT ABOUT AGILITY AND STAMINA ETC

 

ANY FEED BACK WOULD BE A GOOD HELP LADS,,LOOKING FOREWARD TO HEARING YOUR VIEWS

 

SCOTTY

 

I wouldnt touch one with a barge pole.........they all sound good in hard back books or from old boys stories but Ive seen a lot of of genuine Deerhound/greyhound crosses work and theyve been lacking.The only ones Ive seen that have been ok have always had some thing else in their blood i.e.saluki or bull or bedlington.JMHO.

[Guest Dale]

ive got a 1st cross deerhound x greyhoundand he takes everything ,hes a cracking dog , ive just got a pure greyound bitch of SAMBA of this site and lining them when she is due this month , pups will be 3/4 grey 1/4 deerhound, will post pics of my deerhound/greyhound and SAMBA the greyhound on here shortly , scotty [bANNED TEXT] not that far from me ican pop up [bANNED TEXT] way and show ya the deerhound x grey

 

regards

Dale

[scotty3968 0]

will always have a deerhound cross with me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CRACKIN DOG MATE NICE ONE

[scotty3968 0]

BRILLIANT GUYS KEEP THESE POSTS COMING IN ITS GOOD TO GET ADVICE FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT..I WAS LOOKING AT THE DEER X FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS I DO LIKE THE LOOK OF THEM YES BUT THAT SHOULDNT COUNT FOR MUCH,,ALSO FOR THEIR ABILITY TO RETRIEVE FOX ONCE THEY ARE AT THE CORRECT AGE,,IVE ALSO LOOKED INTO BULL X FOR THIS REASON BUT FOR SOME REASON IM A BIT WARY OF THEM..ONLY BECAUSE OF A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS WHERE OTHER DOGS HAVE (BULL X) HAVE TORE CHUNKS OUT OF OTHER DOGS FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON(HAVE I SAID REASON ENOUGH?)HA HA,,ARE THESE JUST ISOLATED INCIDENTS THAT I HAVE BEEN UNLUCKY TO SEE ? IVE GOT A SALUKI X AT THE MIN AND TRAINING HIM WASNT TO BAD BUT FROM WHAT IVE READ DEER CROSSES ARE A BIT SLOW TO BRING ON,,I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO ,,AS YOU A PROBABLY AWARE IM NOT THE MOST EXPERIANCED PERSON IN THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING DOGS SO YOUR ADVICE IS A BIG HELP..

KEEP IT COMING BOYS N GIRLS,,,

CHEERS

SCOTTY

[Guest mush]

There are a small band of people about who consistently get good results with all sorts of dogs but there are lots of inexperienced people on here who overgeneralise from very limited experience and also, sadly, huge numbers of people who have mediocre dog after mediocre dog and always blame the dogs rather than look closer to home for the explanation of their serial mediocrity. Which type of dog man you want to be and which type of dogman do you want to listen to?

So if you've found the deerhound first cross lacking its because your inexperienced and have mediocre dog after mediocre dog, on big red stuff a deerhound first cross maybe the tool for the job but not on smaller stuff no matter how much you bang on about them.

As for speed I Had the pleasure of seeing a pure bred deerhound run a pure bred saluki last year, the saluki left the deerhound standing and left the deerhound way behind, as for turning so they don't have the speed or turning ability ether . if deerhounds rock your boat then have one, but for working ability they don't cut it. JMHO

[Guest oldskool]

i watched the lurchermania heroes of a cold night video and it had deerhound/greys in it lampin rabbits... i was impressed with the big dogs ability, i mean for a dog of that size it was useful

[scotty3968 0]

Here is my dog Sire is GREY/DEERXSALUKI Dam Grey/DeerXWhippet. He is 15 months old 27" @ the shoulder and last time i weighed him he was 28 kilos(60lbs) He has been on the lamp a couple of times and has no problems catching rabbits,He isnt so hot in the daytime on them on short runs. Once he gets into his stride on the bigger stuff, lets say he is getting there Pleased with his progress so far considering he is still a pup

 

 

LOVELY DOG MATE

[breeze 1,279]

Oldskool.... I can remember the Deerhound crosses on that video aswell mate, Wasn't one of them a dog they called Axle or something ??? Around the 30" mark and got down to his rabbit's o.k

[Guest oldskool]

thats the one mate, axle was one and i think the other was josh?? flippin big dogs ... there is another video they made with axle and josh lampin hares and foxes but i cant find it!

[Leon 0]

All I can say is get one when my bull gives in another deer x will replace him, stick your bull's up your arse don't want um anymore

[IanB 0]

ive got a 1st cross deerhound x greyhoundand he takes everything ,hes a cracking dog , ive just got a pure greyound bitch of SAMBA of this site and lining them when she is due this month , pups will be 3/4 grey 1/4 deerhound

 

regards

Dale

 

 

Do you actually know what your doing? You've had more dogs than battersea dogs home...I'd give up on the idea of breeding on the basis of are the dogs proven workers? Have you got homes for these pups, because if their not proven workers your just churning out shite for guilable people to buy and be disheartened with

 

On a different note, genuine working deerhound blood added to any lurcher makeup always seem to add that special something that makes them that bit better....