Daytime and Nighttime. . .

[Ideation 8,216]

Does anyone have a dog thats a good lamp dog (well behaved) that runs the beam, comes straight back when light is knocked off etc, but is also a good day time hunting dog that uses its nose to hunt and find game, work cover etc?

[Ideation 8,216]

I know mate.I just noticed a lot of dogs only being used on the lamp, for various reasons (the ban, time, effort). It obviously takes a lot more to train a great, well behaved lamp dog out of a very good scent hunting, mooching dog than it does a dog that only sees the lamp. Does that make sense? I could have asked, who only lamps?

[NEWKID 27,274]

Not yet.........but I'm working on it

[rocky1 942]

everthing but the cover bit,the terriers have allways done that if something runs in then that a different matter

[Ideation 8,216]

Does anyone have a dog thats a good lamp dog (well behaved) that runs the beam, comes straight back when light is knocked off etc, but is also a good day time hunting dog that uses its nose to hunt and find game, work cover etc?

 

 

That is surely what all good lurchers do...

 

 

You missed out the word 'should'.

 

 

No I didn't....

 

 

Chalky chalky chalky. Sorry homebrew has been consumed, so sentences not coming out in full. I know that the aim of producing a good lurcher should be a dog that is both at home working the lamp, as well as working daytime finding and catching its own game. What i meant to ask was - how many folk have put EQUAL time and effort into bringing this on in their dogs. Many i have met have good lamp dogs that will come out in the day and chase bolters, but due to the nature of their owners time, interests etc they are mainly lamp dogs and so are better at that than hunting up in the day. On the flip side many very good ferreting/bushing dogs can be a little difficult on the lamp if they are getting very regular day work and not so much lamping - they certainly rarely come straight back. Do i make any sense now? I have certainly seen some good lurchers that were not lamped for example?

[whip x grey 276]

MY white parti runs daytime ,, rabbits only,,,less time on lamp but stays to heal,,on command run lamp catch or miss , retrives or if misses comes back to me ,,,but i dont have to turn off lamp,,he just looks to me for next run,,,he,s a racer

 

so surly if he does that ,,,,most lurcher,s that would be the norm,,,as they are brought up that way as pup,s,,,and good handler will make sure off that with the exceptions off some hunting dogs are some can be a pain to train,,,nothing to do with handler ,,some dogs are just head strong

 

if iam honest ,,,i reckon if my racer didnt stay in house,and deal with me 24/7 as he sleeps at bottom off my bed,,,,,if kenneled up he would not have been so biddable as a racing breed,,,,and went gun hoo on me after prey,,,if that make,s sence which to alot off folk ,wont

[Ideation 8,216]

MY white parti runs daytime ,, rabbits only,,,less time on lamp but stays to heal,,on command run lamp catch or miss , retrives or if misses comes back to me ,,,but i dont have to turn off lamp,,he just looks to me for next run,,,he,s a racer

 

so surly if he does that ,,,,most lurcher,s that would be the norm,,,as they are brought up that way as pup,s,,,and good handler will make sure off that with the exceptions off some hunting dogs are just a pain to train

 

if iam honest ,,,i reckon if my racer didnt stay in house,and deal with me 24/7 as he sleeps at bottom off my bed,,,,,if kenneled up he would not have been so biddable as a racing breed,,,,and went gun hoo on me after prey,,,if that make,s sence which to alot off folk ,wont

 

 

No to the first bit and yes to the second. Just my opinion tho.

[Ideation 8,216]

this is why folk get pissed of. my pup gets to lamp ferret and mooch, every f*****g working lurcher should or its not a f*****g working lurcher

 

 

So WHY exactly do people get pissed off? Cos what pisses a lot of people off is people jumping on threads and being flippant and agressive for no reason? What you say is foolish - for example a lurcher that is lamped 5 nights a week but not ferreted / mooched is more of a working dog than a dog that does all three but only occaisionaly. There are also very good lurchers that never lamp.

[whip x grey 276]

MY white parti runs daytime ,, rabbits only,,,less time on lamp but stays to heal,,on command run lamp catch or miss , retrives or if misses comes back to me ,,,but i dont have to turn off lamp,,he just looks to me for next run,,,he,s a racer

 

so surly if he does that ,,,,most lurcher,s that would be the norm,,,as they are brought up that way as pup,s,,,and good handler will make sure off that with the exceptions off some hunting dogs are just a pain to train

 

if iam honest ,,,i reckon if my racer didnt stay in house,and deal with me 24/7 as he sleeps at bottom off my bed,,,,,if kenneled up he would not have been so biddable as a racing breed,,,,and went gun hoo on me after prey,,,if that make,s sence which to alot off folk ,wont

 

 

No to the first bit and yes to the second. Just my opinion tho.

 

everyones opinion diffrent,,,and i respect that ( dog,s are diffrent ,,,owners opinion,s should also be diffrent the way it should be

[tote 856]

Why would a dog that has a good recall during the day not have it at night? I'm not 100% sure I'm picking you up right but it sounds like you don't expect a dog that's good at daytime work to be good at lamping, why not? If the dog has anything about it it will surely know the difference between night and day and what's expected of it.

[Ideation 8,216]

MY white parti runs daytime ,, rabbits only,,,less time on lamp but stays to heal,,on command run lamp catch or miss , retrives or if misses comes back to me ,,,but i dont have to turn off lamp,,he just looks to me for next run,,,he,s a racer

 

so surly if he does that ,,,,most lurcher,s that would be the norm,,,as they are brought up that way as pup,s,,,and good handler will make sure off that with the exceptions off some hunting dogs are just a pain to train

 

if iam honest ,,,i reckon if my racer didnt stay in house,and deal with me 24/7 as he sleeps at bottom off my bed,,,,,if kenneled up he would not have been so biddable as a racing breed,,,,and went gun hoo on me after prey,,,if that make,s sence which to alot off folk ,wont

 

 

No to the first bit and yes to the second. Just my opinion tho.

 

everyones opinion diffrent,,,and i respect that ( dog,s are diffrent ,,,owners opinion,s should also be diffrent the way it should be

 

 

Aye thats right mate - shouldnt spend life trying to convert everyone to one view. I think what i do because i have seen very good obediant steady lamp dogs be taken off lamping for say a year and given lots and lots and lots of daytime hunting (not ferreting) which they took to and excelled at and then when put back on the lamp a year later they use their nose A LOT. And i have seen some GREAT lamp dogs that couldnt find quarry in a phone box if someone didnt stick a light on it.

[tote 856]

this is why folk get pissed of. my pup gets to lamp ferret and mooch, every f*****g working lurcher should or its not a f*****g working lurcher

 

 

So WHY exactly do people get pissed off? Cos what pisses a lot of people off is people jumping on threads and being flippant and agressive for no reason? What you say is foolish - for example a lurcher that is lamped 5 nights a week but not ferreted / mooched is more of a working dog than a dog that does all three but only occaisionaly. There are also very good lurchers that never lamp.

 

 

Ignore her Jai, she's going through a difficult time.

[Ideation 8,216]

I'm not coming across right at all - all i want to know is how many folk truely use their dogs for both disciplines equally and believe that they are as good at both? And how many keep 'lamp dogs' that they do take out in the day? Rather than saying daytime ruins lamping?

[tote 856]

Blame it on the home brew.

[SMART DOG 340]

this is why folk get pissed of. my pup gets to lamp ferret and mooch, every f*****g working lurcher should or its not a f*****g working lurcher

:blink: a working lurcher is a dog that gets out and does any of the above