middleton terriers

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[quote name='GASH78' date='Jan 25 2007, 02:33 PM' post='1812

 

Who gives a monkey's what who pays what thats there buisness, In my book if the terrier does that damage then good luck to you all and if it doesn't then get rid PTS.

practice what you preach GASH.... did you not state else were you had a bitch (middleton/postgate)that did'nt make the grade and is now lying with pups after an accidental mateing..??? :whistle:

 

 

It was given to my mother who put it with the jack they have so mother natyre did provail.............Pups will be sold as pets not workers :whistle:

 

Got workers in ma kennels not monkeys :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

The only experience I had with a nuttall dog was about 1988 when a friend of mine brought a dog over from nuttall, he paid an extortionate price for it then but we were niave and eager. Any way he was told the dog was 100%, we took the dog out and it was a complete tube, would enter ok but if it took a heavy hit at all he was out, he did get his money back though. I could'nt tell you the breeding or any history to the dog but that is my only experience of a nuttall bred dog and to be truthful the last. Back then nuttall was the muts nuts but the one I seen was'nt. Maybe he was a good bolter!!! , but that's not what my mate was after.

[Guest NANDO]

Edited August 21, 2007 by NANDO

[Guest little terriers]

well if gm is happy breading for show then let him batter in at the end of the day we are all got our own oppions right we can all say this one dogs shite this person dogs are pot lickers at the end off the day if they feed them clean them and hunt/show them well all the best to them

[byron 1,179]

middleton,gould,nuttall,brightmore, parkes and many others, they have all i believe sold rubbish for cash at some time in their lives, maybe not absolutely out of absolute ruthless greed but have sold substandard stuff because a buyer was waiting with money in hand??? gary used to have some good dogs. dr (owner of blackjack) once told me that garys old stuff was some of best in country until the blacks came along. likewise pb s mccoy was half old middletonblood out of a renown digging dog. howver gary has bred mainly for shows in last twenty years and so of course working ability has suffered. he has also unfortunately gained a steady and growing reputation fo selling rubbish at hugely inflated pricesto the unwary in my experience. i have personally known and bought dogs from all the above (or from dogs drectly from their blood in the case of middleton) over the years and for me there is a definite trend emerged which goes like this: worst dog dealer of all selling alot of the time = nuttall (ihave heard absolutely uncountable tales of rubbish sold by him to numerous dog men which would not work to any kind of acceptable standard,he oncetold a teenage naive terrier man to breed from his useless, non working nuttall bitch and he would get his money back for him by selling pups onto unsuspecting doglads, and i KNOW THIS IS TRUE CAUSE I WAS THE TEENAGE LAD!!!) best stock sold over a continuous breeding career, therefore best value and chance of getting a genuine digging dog= gould by far. saddest loss of working ability over last twenty years,(due to show influence?)= middleton. i will end this personal ramble by seeking to qualify my conclusions: ask around about the best terriers your friends have seen over years ( i bet they are out of old gouldy blood,or more recently poss. spartacus blood), also ask them about nuttall blood, most will be unsure, or be sure most was rubbish off nuttall, or will quote a good one off another breeder who has refined and culled the strain (ie g.mason, d.wheeler) also log onto some of the other websites abroad and you will see a wealth of enquiries regarding nuttall strain working ability( the worlds full of confused nuttal owning terrier men who are trying to kid themselves a poor dog is better than it is!!!)by comparison there are virtually non re mr gould (everybody sort of knows they are good stuff, right?????) anyway all the best and lets all keep it honest.

 

Your talking out of your ass man!!!

Nuttall is one of the few genuine terriermen left,i have had his lines for the last 30 year's and i've never had a none-worker off him,and as im a hunt-terrierman my living depend's on my dog's being up to scratch!

If a pure Nuttall does'nt enter it's probably because of the bloody amature on the end of the couples!!!!!!

[DeanD 3]

sorry mate but thats bollocks! that kind of money shouldnt b in terriers, people start breedin them for show and money, it f...cks up the strains!!!!! surely [bANNED TEXT] understand that unless [bANNED TEXT] know nothing about terriers!!!

 

What some are saying is that the working terrier was a poor man's dog in the beginning, followed the hunts (wealthy etc.). Those wealthy enough to pay that sort of money, in Most cases, won't hunt the dog even if it is out of the best working line. Only a poor man that cannot afford the high dollar will honestly work the dog... even then most still won't honestly. But... a lot of that is due to age... a young lad will prove a dog far better than an old sod simply because he can... the young lad still has the grit and stamina. I doubt if Any on here have the grit and stamina that some of the men mentioned on here have... Middleton, Nuttall, Buck, Parkes... etc. They were on during the day... even the young lads can't begin to prove themselves against that... it would take decades to prove where it didn't then. its like comparing apples to oranges. jmo...

[thurso jack 3]

 

sorry mate but thats bollocks! that kind of money shouldnt b in terriers, people start breedin them for show and money, it f...cks up the strains!!!!! surely [bANNED TEXT] understand that unless [bANNED TEXT] know nothing about terriers!!!

 

What some are saying is that the working terrier was a poor man's dog in the beginning, followed the hunts (wealthy etc.). Those wealthy enough to pay that sort of money, in Most cases, won't hunt the dog even if it is out of the best working line. Only a poor man that cannot afford the high dollar will honestly work the dog... even then most still won't honestly. But... a lot of that is due to age... a young lad will prove a dog far better than an old sod simply because he can... the young lad still has the grit and stamina. I doubt if Any on here have the grit and stamina that some of the men mentioned on here have... Middleton, Nuttall, Buck, Parkes... etc. They were on during the day... even the young lads can't begin to prove themselves against that... it would take decades to prove where it didn't then. its like comparing apples to oranges. jmo...

 

 

deand i would agree 100% with what your saying.

 

it seems anyone who has made a name for themselves in the terrier world puts themselves up on a pedestil to get shot down, nuttal middelton chapman etc etc these guys im quite sure have done and seen it all and if there name still serves them well then so be it, they have done there bit and if they still get requests for pups even if there not doing so much now as opposed to years back then whos the silly ones them or the buyers?

[DeanD 3]

Well, I hope I didn't offend anybody... thats just how I see it. When I was in my teens and twenties... feck all... I'd take my dogs against anyone and admit whose were the better. I didn't have terriers then... thought they were just yappers. I know I'll never prove a terrier the way some of the lads on these boards Can and Do. Good On Them. When they seem to slag the older guys that Did the work back then... its just that they believe so strongly in their dogs abilities which can be a good thing also... but sooner or later everyone realizes they too have lost their pedestal...once some other fresh hard working lad shows his desire and work ethics. Thats what keeps the terriers honest though too. jmo...

Edited January 28, 2007 by DeanD

[Guest ROXY]

I had a double bred Miner bitch which was an honest working terrier to ground , my mate liked the way it worked so took a bitch to Brian for a mating , he kept one pup and sold the rest of the litter to Nuttel who then sold the pups on as nuttell terriers, the bitch was of unnown breeding.

[DeanD 3]

I thought they all were basically of unknown breeding until lately... Obviously your mate was impressed with the "Miner" bred bitch. I'm not getting your point?? How did the pup turn out?

 

30 years ago Brian did have some shit hot stuff, but that was when he was only breeding from tried and tested and maybe 1 or 2 litters a year. If you ring him today I bet he'd get you sorted within a week LOL

 

Now THAT... I understand.

Edited January 30, 2007 by DeanD

[lucky 578]

as with any dog the chance of one failing depends on the amount of work it is going to see, a terrier that gets dug to the odd weekend would have been the dogs bollocks to its owner down the pub, a legend when it's gone .

 

but maybe if the terrier was out 2 or 3 times a week digging, its very possible that it would have been remembered as that pile of shite so n so bred, it might not have even been remembered.

 

i've seen this with plenty of lurchers, scar'd to f**k, the owner bragging about how it wrecks foxes etc etc, then when it gets 3 or 4 foxes put in front of it in the night, it starts barking and shits its self, now if the same dog just had the oppurtunity for one fox and killed it, then it would still be "a tidy fox dog" in most peoples eyes.

 

the only way is to give them enough oppurtunitys to make or break, if it fails then replace it, if it does'nt then atleast you've got something you can trust and breed from.

 

plenty of work soon sorts the shit out

[markfox 4]

[Guest ROXY]

I thought they all were basically of unknown breeding until lately... Obviously your mate was impressed with the "Miner" bred bitch. I'm not getting your point?? How did the pup turn out?

 

30 years ago Brian did have some shit hot stuff, but that was when he was only breeding from tried and tested and maybe 1 or 2 litters a year. If you ring him today I bet he'd get you sorted within a week LOL

 

Now THAT... I understand.

Limb has explained it for me, dog dealer who will sell you any thing regardless of working ability.

[The Breeder 156]

I've bred Middleton terriers for the past 30 years and I think alot of people shun the man, but a great deal of respected digging men went to him for dogs and i've been on the digs when they do the business. The old line is still about, ive got proof in my kennels, I dont show them, but there are smart terriers. And above all they are game!!

[Guest blackntan]

THATS MIDDLETONS OLD STUFF THE BEST STUFF