middleton terriers

[Guest MASADA]

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Edited August 21, 2007 by MASADA

[mussells 0]

showing dogs???? whats the point, we all think are own dogs looks best so why bother!!!!??!!!

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

Apparently Middleton has'nt bred a worker for years. He buys dogs in the front door and out sells out the back with middleton vat added on. From what I've heard if anything comming out of his yard works , it's bred by someone else and has the Middleton vat stamp on it. JMO. But there is people about (especialy on here) yhay are friendly with him or know him, so what better sales pitch do you need? A public forum visited by hundreds of people and it only takes 1 gobshite to sell a piece of shite to a lad trying to find his feet in the working terrier world to put him off as in the end he'll have to cull it, and probably after spending £2-£300 on it. Proper working strains of terrier usually don't sell for any more than £150 tops. JMHO.

[Ricky-N.p.p 0]

I have a middleton bred dog "reggie" now reggie has never let me down but he is now 8yrs old so I dont know if the dogs that are churned out now are of a differnt class from back then but i certanly dont have a problem with the dog that i own .

 

just my imput

[Guest NANDO]

Edited August 21, 2007 by NANDO

[DUCKWING 302]

I was at Brough show a few years back and Stan the man from the Wensley dale harriers was showing a red dog in the lakie class, after he was tuffed out tha ring withought getting placed he sold the dog to G.M for £150 quid. Middleton then enterd the dog in the crossbred section and won, ending up with res at the show. As you can imagine an argument broke out after the show between Stan and the judge. To make things worse a while later at another show Stan met a guy from Scotland with the dog I think they called him Bert and he told him he paid a grand for the dog. Stan said nothing as the dog was not much of a worker.

 

HMMMM ,

 

WELL THAT JUST ABOUT EXPLAINS WHY I HAVE ... NEVER ..... SHOWN A DOG AND DONT BOTHER WITH GOING TO SHOWS ,

 

PERSONALLY I CANNOT BELIVE THE AMOUNT OF PRETENDERS IN THE DOG GAME

 

 

DUCKWING

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

I have a middleton bred dog "reggie" now reggie has never let me down but he is now 8yrs old so I dont know if the dogs that are churned out now are of a differnt class from back then but i certanly dont have a problem with the dog that i own .

 

just my imput

I don't disaggree mate did middleton breed the dog himself or does it just have old middleton blood? If a terrier is bred by someone and there is blood from a so called famous terriermans lines people say it's a this or a that. Credit IMO has to go to the actual kennel it was bred in not throw back generations and credit the breeding of a good working terrier to someone who has sold out to the showpounds. JMO.

[goldy 0]

middleton,gould,nuttall,brightmore, parkes and many others, they have all i believe sold rubbish for cash at some time in their lives, maybe not absolutely out of absolute ruthless greed but have sold substandard stuff because a buyer was waiting with money in hand??? gary used to have some good dogs. dr (owner of blackjack) once told me that garys old stuff was some of best in country until the blacks came along. likewise pb s mccoy was half old middletonblood out of a renown digging dog. howver gary has bred mainly for shows in last twenty years and so of course working ability has suffered. he has also unfortunately gained a steady and growing reputation fo selling rubbish at hugely inflated pricesto the unwary in my experience. i have personally known and bought dogs from all the above (or from dogs drectly from their blood in the case of middleton) over the years and for me there is a definite trend emerged which goes like this: worst dog dealer of all selling alot of the time = nuttall (ihave heard absolutely uncountable tales of rubbish sold by him to numerous dog men which would not work to any kind of acceptable standard,he oncetold a teenage naive terrier man to breed from his useless, non working nuttall bitch and he would get his money back for him by selling pups onto unsuspecting doglads, and i KNOW THIS IS TRUE CAUSE I WAS THE TEENAGE LAD!!!) best stock sold over a continuous breeding career, therefore best value and chance of getting a genuine digging dog= gould by far. saddest loss of working ability over last twenty years,(due to show influence?)= middleton. i will end this personal ramble by seeking to qualify my conclusions: ask around about the best terriers your friends have seen over years ( i bet they are out of old gouldy blood,or more recently poss. spartacus blood), also ask them about nuttall blood, most will be unsure, or be sure most was rubbish off nuttall, or will quote a good one off another breeder who has refined and culled the strain (ie g.mason, d.wheeler) also log onto some of the other websites abroad and you will see a wealth of enquiries regarding nuttall strain working ability( the worlds full of confused nuttal owning terrier men who are trying to kid themselves a poor dog is better than it is!!!)by comparison there are virtually non re mr gould (everybody sort of knows they are good stuff, right?????) anyway all the best and lets all keep it honest.

[Guest JDF]

new a man brought pure nuttall stuff in 20 yr or more ago,mated that bitch to a 1/2 nuttall 1/2 red lakeland dog,we've been breeding them in ever since and have produced excellent dogs,don't know if this is relevant but just my experience with nuttall dogs.

[Guest MASADA]

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Edited August 21, 2007 by MASADA

[donnyc 1,203]

Never seen any reference to another breeder of lakies N Dewhurst had some nice black an tans

[Ricky-N.p.p 0]

I have a middleton bred dog "reggie" now reggie has never let me down but he is now 8yrs old so I dont know if the dogs that are churned out now are of a differnt class from back then but i certanly dont have a problem with the dog that i own .

 

just my imput

I don't disaggree mate did middleton breed the dog himself or does it just have old middleton blood? If a terrier is bred by someone and there is blood from a so called famous terriermans lines people say it's a this or a that. Credit IMO has to go to the actual kennel it was bred in not throw back generations and credit the breeding of a good working terrier to someone who has sold out to the showpounds. JMO.

 

 

It was bought directly from middleton 8yrs ago, i paid £150 .

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

I ain't calling anyone a liar or knocking anyone for having what maybe Middleton bred dogs the point I was making is just because you buy direct from someone does'nt mean it's their breeding, we've all heard of buying in and selling on. Goldie has hit the nail on the head on several points.And I think you can't knock a man with twenty+ years of experience and let's not forget he's not the only one saying the same thing. If you've got a dog regardless of how it's bred and it does the job you want it to then who gives a shit. If you're happy with it and digging to iy fair play enjoy it and look after it.

[Ricky-N.p.p 0]

I ain't calling anyone a liar or knocking anyone for having what maybe Middleton bred dogs the point I was making is just because you buy direct from someone does'nt mean it's their breeding, we've all heard of buying in and selling on. Goldie has hit the nail on the head on several points.And I think you can't knock a man with twenty+ years of experience and let's not forget he's not the only one saying the same thing. If you've got a dog regardless of how it's bred and it does the job you want it to then who gives a shit. If you're happy with it and digging to iy fair play enjoy it and look after it.

 

 

Thats my point mate i couldnt care less who bred the dog,the dog does the job asked of him and thats all i need.

 

all the best

Ricky

Edited January 19, 2007 by Ricky-N.p.p

[goldy 0]

Goldy, Spartacus was not a Gould bred terrier he was 1/2 Parks 1/4 gould 1/4 staff as for P.B, McCoy he was 1/2 old Middleton [Rex, Wilkinson] 1/2 white terrier [russel?] so they are more scater bred than line bred, as for Nuttal he has been breeding shit for years..... if you breed enough shit you will get the odd one that floats [work]

 

well almost mate, mccoy was bred out of a white middleton dog called jock, over a black bitch called darkie, hence why he threw occasional white himself, the breeding of darkie was kept quiet by pb himself (so i dont know no matter how much i asked him but rumour has it was bred down off toddy lines from warrington by dr???) spartacus was out of blackjack to a red parkes bitch owned by dr at the time , not sure how much bull in blackjack (tufftpal is the man to ask re this). yep i totally agreewith you if you breed enough you get something sooner or later.