BULLDOUG 199 Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 i keep sbt, one of whom i did attend alot of athletic type shows with from 1.5-2.5 years old, and yes i did condition the knackers off him to get a rosette lol,one of the best bits of advise i was given was in todays climate it does not do any harm to have a few rosettes knocking about the place, they are just my mooching companions , and i think the saying.... God loves a tryer, best sums them up, a pleasure to be around, who think they can do anything. Thats more like the dog i love and know Quote Link to post
theferreter 311 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 some of the best working staffs years ago were the small type staffs like lord rommel his sis wolfisland girl the red barron,blind jessie,rahora red devil,scarecrows duke a proper staff should be small tight and compacked not leggy like half theses excuse for staffs and any body who says there fat are full of shit cause theve energy to burn and are always on the go Quote Link to post
judge2010 196 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 some of the best working staffs years ago were the small type staffs like lord rommel his sis wolfisland girl the red barron,blind jessie,rahora red devil,scarecrows duke a proper staff should be small tight and compacked not leggy like half theses excuse for staffs and any body who says there fat are full of shit cause theve energy to burn and are always on the go disagree there mate, fat pigdogs that you see these days have alot of english bulldog in them, give me a leggy staff anyday. Quote Link to post
YOKEL 2,277 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 if you want to know if your dog is built right, put him to work, if he can perform well at his task the he's made right, "form follows function" if you will. i agree with the man above regards breeding for athletic LOOKING animals, i see no difference in a man who strives for a 19/20in dog, from the k.c. breeder whom they seem to dispise so much. if the sire/dam have proved themselve where it counts, then as i said before, they are built right. Now regards working staffs, and i mean WORK. i've seen some good uns with my own eyes, but the problem, I.M.O. lies in consistantly reproducing the same. their american cousins on the other hand have a better working gene pool, and just perform better at the task for which they were bred (on the whole). Now every cripple has his way of walking, but if you are serious about your game, then you turn up with the best equipment, i would'nt turn up at aintree astride a donkey and expect to win the national... Yokel Quote Link to post
gnasher16 30,241 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) if you want to know if your dog is built right, put him to work, if he can perform well at his task the he's made right, "form follows function" if you will. i agree with the man above regards breeding for athletic LOOKING animals, i see no difference in a man who strives for a 19/20in dog, from the k.c. breeder whom they seem to dispise so much. if the sire/dam have proved themselve where it counts, then as i said before, they are built right. Now regards working staffs, and i mean WORK. i've seen some good uns with my own eyes, but the problem, I.M.O. lies in consistantly reproducing the same. their american cousins on the other hand have a better working gene pool, and just perform better at the task for which they were bred (on the whole). Now every cripple has his way of walking, but if you are serious about your game, then you turn up with the best equipment, i would'nt turn up at aintree astride a donkey and expect to win the national... Yokel Very good post i totally agree ....i believe the reason the apbt " can " consistently produce high quality dogs and the stafford cant is the foundations of the apbt are largely based on true genuine high quality dogs bred best to best with enough knowledge of correct breeding principals to keep it going.Whereas these working staffords are based predominantly on lies and bullshit.....a house is only as strong as the foundations that support it and all that. As for the longer legged " athletic looking " staffords folk seem so keen on....thats absolutely right its no different at all to kc breeders aiming to produce their coffee table types......same aims different fashion thats all. Edited January 8, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post
GHT 6 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 cant disagree with previous posts, but i feel sbt still has something to offer, the average staff partnered with an average everyday man (responsible) owner, who does not need to be one of the sporting elite, can be very rewarding for both. ie.. you dont need to be a porn star to enjoy a bunk up... Quote Link to post
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 if you want to know if your dog is built right, put him to work, if he can perform well at his task the he's made right, "form follows function" if you will. i agree with the man above regards breeding for athletic LOOKING animals, i see no difference in a man who strives for a 19/20in dog, from the k.c. breeder whom they seem to dispise so much. if the sire/dam have proved themselve where it counts, then as i said before, they are built right. Now regards working staffs, and i mean WORK. i've seen some good uns with my own eyes, but the problem, I.M.O. lies in consistantly reproducing the same. their american cousins on the other hand have a better working gene pool, and just perform better at the task for which they were bred (on the whole). Now every cripple has his way of walking, but if you are serious about your game, then you turn up with the best equipment, i would'nt turn up at aintree astride a donkey and expect to win the national... Yokel Very good post i totally agree ....i believe the reason the apbt " can " consistently produce high quality dogs and the stafford cant is the foundations of the apbt are largely based on true genuine high quality dogs bred best to best with enough knowledge of correct breeding principals to keep it going.Whereas these working staffords are based predominantly on lies and bullshit.....a house is only as strong as the foundations that support it and all that. As for the longer legged " athletic looking " staffords folk seem so keen on....thats absolutely right its no different at all to kc breeders aiming to produce their coffee table types......same aims different fashion thats all. another quote i agree with you 100 % Quote Link to post
BULLDOUG 199 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 if you want to know if your dog is built right, put him to work, if he can perform well at his task the he's made right, "form follows function" if you will. i agree with the man above regards breeding for athletic LOOKING animals, i see no difference in a man who strives for a 19/20in dog, from the k.c. breeder whom they seem to dispise so much. if the sire/dam have proved themselve where it counts, then as i said before, they are built right. Now regards working staffs, and i mean WORK. i've seen some good uns with my own eyes, but the problem, I.M.O. lies in consistantly reproducing the same. their american cousins on the other hand have a better working gene pool, and just perform better at the task for which they were bred (on the whole). Now every cripple has his way of walking, but if you are serious about your game, then you turn up with the best equipment, i would'nt turn up at aintree astride a donkey and expect to win the national... Yokel Very good post i totally agree ....i believe the reason the apbt " can " consistently produce high quality dogs and the stafford cant is the foundations of the apbt are largely based on true genuine high quality dogs bred best to best with enough knowledge of correct breeding principals to keep it going.Whereas these working staffords are based predominantly on lies and bullshit.....a house is only as strong as the foundations that support it and all that. As for the longer legged " athletic looking " staffords folk seem so keen on....thats absolutely right its no different at all to kc breeders aiming to produce their coffee table types......same aims different fashion thats all. another quote i agree with you 100 % Cheers lads, Gnash/yokul, you have the same opinion, i do see where you are coming from, it seems the stafford will always live in the shadows of the Gladiator, albeit they could never compete against each other in the same comp but they are cousins so in different circumstances they could show the same traits (gameness) It would be nice to see more staffs out in the field, as said they can be quite under estimated. ATB D Quote Link to post
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 if you want to know if your dog is built right, put him to work, if he can perform well at his task the he's made right, "form follows function" if you will. i agree with the man above regards breeding for athletic LOOKING animals, i see no difference in a man who strives for a 19/20in dog, from the k.c. breeder whom they seem to dispise so much. if the sire/dam have proved themselve where it counts, then as i said before, they are built right. Now regards working staffs, and i mean WORK. i've seen some good uns with my own eyes, but the problem, I.M.O. lies in consistantly reproducing the same. their american cousins on the other hand have a better working gene pool, and just perform better at the task for which they were bred (on the whole). Now every cripple has his way of walking, but if you are serious about your game, then you turn up with the best equipment, i would'nt turn up at aintree astride a donkey and expect to win the national... Yokel Maybe if less people had your attitude Yokel then maybe the Stafford wouldnt be in the state as a working animal it is today...dumping the breed to jump into what they thought was the next best thing to come along...theres been plenty that paid Good money for american 'Donkeys' just becuase they had a pretty pedigree on..."Now as regards working staffs, and i mean Work"...well they shouldnt be discussed on an open forum certainly not one of the most watched filled with dodgy shady characters...just my opinion Quote Link to post
j1985 1,984 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I see alot of well put together athletic staffords at athletic dog events that are really impressive, it's just a shame that they are in the minority and the average joe thinks a staff should be a short overweight bug eyed looking dog. At the end of the day a stafford was and still should be a leggy athletic game bred dog ready for the box!! jmo It's people breeding for show titles, so called rare colours, no dog aggression, greed etc etc that has f****d the breed to the state it is in now. Quote Link to post
robo-christ 40 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd take a fat bug eyed overweight staff with heart over an 'athletic staff' with none. Quote Link to post
Hannah4181 260 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 But surely you can have both . . . i know KC staffords that compete and do very well in the athletic field. Quote Link to post
robo-christ 40 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 yeah you can have both,but 'athletic staff' people who just focus on A-frame comps etc have no concept of what heart means. Quote Link to post
Hannah4181 260 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 yeah you can have both,but 'athletic staff' people who just focus on A-frame comps etc have no concept of what heart means. I think thats a bit of a broad generalisation, i know a lot of guys involved in the Athletic side of things, they are more than clued up on what "heart" means, just choose to channel their dogs enthusiasm into Athletic pursuits. There will undoubtably be people involved in the Athletic stuff that are 100% focused on looks and as you say the dogs performance over an A frame. However there is also the boys that have been there and done it, and now choose to have a bit of fun with their staffords, causing no harm to anyone else. Quote Link to post
robo-christ 40 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 well when they channel that enthusiasm into other things and then breed for it they lose the most important quality these dogs (any dog) ever possessed. Quote Link to post
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