Moll. 1,770 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I would hate to see pit's legal again, not because of the dog type as bull breeds are my fav breed, but because of what would happen to them, and what might happen because of them. The thing is, people are not the same as they were when Pit's were legal in this country. Dogs were not as common as pets, and the ones who did have them seemed to 'understand' dogs, not like the thousands of people now, who see them as babies/fashion accessories. Plus chav types were not existent back then, you set your lip up and you got a good hiding from family, and even anyone who knew your parents. People had respect. Legalising them again would be the worst thing to happen to the breed imo. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,469 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Legalising them again would be the worst thing to happen to the breed imo. While i agree with the above....there were just as many bad owners back then as there are now,whats worse now is the quality of the breed.....back then the breed hadnt been messed with so much and they were still relatively pure of what they actually were.......today they are so far removed from what the breed actually is that nobody really knows what they have,even the pure ones are not pure in the truest sense of the word. And incidentally a " pit ".....is an excavated hole or cavity in the ground....not a breed of dog 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 And incidentally a " pit ".....is an excavated hole or cavity in the ground....not a breed of dog Oh dear, you are going to have a very busy day today if you plan on pulling everyone who abbreviates a dog breed. For god's sake keep out of the terrier section, or Patt's, Lakie's, Beddie's and staffie's might just send you over the edge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,469 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Oh dear, you are going to have a very busy day today if you plan on pulling everyone who abbreviates a dog breed. For god's sake keep out of the terrier section, or Patt's, Lakie's, Beddie's and staffie's might just send you over the edge My apologies i wasnt being a dick...well i suppose i was.......its just a pet hate having heard so many dickhead little kids ( the type who have harmed the breed i love more than anyone else ) banging on about their big hard " pits ". Edited January 6, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willow 53 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 why was ed responable for the banning of the apbt? I wouldnt say he was responsible that would be unfair....but folk like him was the root cause of the dda....people who churn out litter after litter of dogs to sell to anybody with the correct money......oh but he put on athletic dog shows so that makes him " a good ol boy " Fair do,s the man bred some exceptional animals.....but then the law of averages says anyone producing that amount of pups is going to produce some good ones..... I liked old Ed he was a nice fella....but it dont make what he did right......nor the others who did the same and paved the way for the pakies and general idiots who became the next generation of peddlars. there were many people that f****d the game up same as the coursing game all they see is £££££££ once that gets in peoples eyes the old ways go out the window and they let in arseholes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Oh dear, you are going to have a very busy day today if you plan on pulling everyone who abbreviates a dog breed. For god's sake keep out of the terrier section, or Patt's, Lakie's, Beddie's and staffie's might just send you over the edge My apologies i wasnt being a dick...well i suppose i was.......its just a pet hate having heard so many dickhead little kids ( the type who have harmed the breed i love more than anyone else ) banging on about their big hard " pits ". No probs Gnasher...thank you for the apology, and i apologise for being sarcastic in my response :kiss: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,469 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 there were many people that f****d the game up same as the coursing game all they see is £££££££ once that gets in peoples eyes the old ways go out the window and they let in arseholes Yes but he did it right from the start so there were no " old ways "....i wouldnt say he f****d the game up as he probably didnt realise at the time what was ahead.....but the reality is he probably did more harm than good,and for what....he never worked a dog in his life but made a lot of money off people who did......and more off people who didnt. Which dont seem right really......but as you rightly say £££££££,s does it for some people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,469 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 No probs Gnasher...thank you for the apology, and i apologise for being sarcastic in my response :kiss: ....I was around the breed years and years meeting many good people dedicated to the breed,and never once heard them described as " pits ".....its only in recent years with the american influence on the street hoodlum wannabe gangster type that ive heard them called " pits " and it just makes me cringe every time i hear it......im sure others who have been around the breed awhile will know where im coming from. Anyway no harm done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
judge2010 196 Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 No probs Gnasher...thank you for the apology, and i apologise for being sarcastic in my response :kiss: ....I was around the breed years and years meeting many good people dedicated to the breed,and never once heard them described as " pits ".....its only in recent years with the american influence on the street hoodlum wannabe gangster type that ive heard them called " pits " and it just makes me cringe every time i hear it......im sure others who have been around the breed awhile will know where im coming from. Anyway no harm done do you perfure the term "bulldog"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stewie Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Legalising them again would be the worst thing to happen to the breed imo. While i agree with the above....there were just as many bad owners back then as there are now,whats worse now is the quality of the breed.....back then the breed hadnt been messed with so much and they were still relatively pure of what they actually were.......today they are so far removed from what the breed actually is that nobody really knows what they have,even the pure ones are not pure in the truest sense of the word. And incidentally a " pit ".....is an excavated hole or cavity in the ground....not a breed of dog spot on gnasher and this video backs up what your saying a bunch of chavs with some big, stupid and aggressive dogs thinking there tough breeding "pits" :wallbash: theres more staffys and labs on that video than anything else Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,469 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 do you perfure the term "bulldog"? My belief is a dog has to earn the title of being called a bulldog ....and only the very highest calibre of the breed are real bulldogs .....the rest are just American Pit Bull Terriers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 spot on gnasher and this video backs up what your saying a bunch of chavs with some big, stupid and aggressive dogs thinking there tough breeding "pits" :wallbash: theres more staffys and labs on that video than anything else That video , dear oh dear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,982 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 No probs Gnasher...thank you for the apology, and i apologise for being sarcastic in my response :kiss: ....I was around the breed years and years meeting many good people dedicated to the breed,and never once heard them described as " pits ".....its only in recent years with the american influence on the street hoodlum wannabe gangster type that ive heard them called " pits " and it just makes me cringe every time i hear it......im sure others who have been around the breed awhile will know where im coming from. Anyway no harm done spot on, i know you no a great deal about apbt(bulldogs) , but what i find strange is that it was (staffs) that went over to the USA 1st, and they added other breeds just to have a bigger type dog. R stratton a yank who as been with apbt for 40 years says they are pure breed, but i dont by that one bit . They some good staffs from black country, game dogs and not that small like to days staff. Some were 19 in 45 -50lb ,great dogs. The temp of a staff is differnt to apbt and it will be, because a staff was in pure form when they went over. Nobody really knows what went in to apbt's, and as above even if the dog did proudce a type over 100's years. There was great differnce in temps+size, and i have had both type of dogs and was brought up with staffs +bullmastiffs. And all 3 breeds had great temps, but your bullmastiffs temp were nearly all the same temps and so were your staffs, but your apbt's to me always seem very differnt. I like apbt, there are great breed bred by man to be a working dog , and the yanks had them to loads of jobs on there ranches, and fighting was only (1) of them . And with this type of dog, if just stuck in a house 24/7 with no job to do like any working , you are asking for trouble. All my dogs were out 5 hours every day, and weekends 8 hours doing something . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Id prefer to see legal APBT's far more than the hideous results of the backyard breeding that is epidemic at the minute , daft lads tring to recreate fighting/protection/penis extensions you see about the place, you know the sort I mean in the right hands the APBT is a fine animal and its a shame the majority that owned them lost that right due to the minority (yet again, fuuny thing is the idiots are the ones who choose to ignore the law Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A1an 4 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Not for one second. Why would all the people who have staffies as family pets suddenly feel the urge to 'upgrade' to a pitbull? For every dick owning a staffie for it's looks, there are probably 50 or more responsible staffie owners with genuine enthusiasm for the breed. Blimey! There must be ALOT of responsible owners Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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