Air Arms S410 trouble :-/

[Alex Arrigone 24]

hey

 

ok so i just bought a Air Arms S410 literally 3 weeks ago brand new. i love the rifle and it has done me proud with numerous kills and amazing acuracy already. however a week ago the cocking handle stiffened up.

 

it has had less than 200 pelets through it and is band new. it cocks back well, and the magazene works properly, however when you push the cocking handle forward it goes smoothly until the last centimeter at which point it get really stiff.

 

i am using air arms pelets that fit, so the feed isnt the problem, i brought it to the shop to swap magazenes and it still happened so the mag isnt the prob. and just to be sure it wasnt just me being a mongo, i tried my mates S410 and his is definately a smoother cocking mecenism. the shop suggested returning it to air arms but is there a obviouse solution i have missed?

 

cheers

[StevoSmith 147]

Oiled and free of grit?.....i know it sounds daft but some people overlook it,,,,,,im not up to standard on the s410 maybe others who have experiance in the rifle will come up with more detailed info

 

 

Hope its resolved soon so you can get back out there

[Buster321c 1,010]

Does it work ok without the mag in ?

[Alex Arrigone 24]

Oiled and free of grit?.....i know it sounds daft but some people overlook it,,,,,,im not up to standard on the s410 maybe others who have experiance in the rifle will come up with more detailed info

 

 

Hope its resolved soon so you can get back out there

 

thanks for reply, its not unusable, was shooting today, it just has an emotional cocking handle. little problem that need a simple fix... hopefully

[Alex Arrigone 24]

Does it work ok without the mag in ?

 

yes, without a mag in its smooth as anything, which is what lead me to believe it was the mag, but when i tried other mags it was the same problem

 

cheers for the reply

[StevoSmith 147]

Just found this in a review

 

 

As mentioned previously, since their launch the S400 and S410 have been popular for both hunting and HFT, and rightly so, but personally I always found a little niggle with the operation of the bolt action on the multi-shot S410 version. This was simply because as you drew back the bolt, the magazine would turn one notch putting the next pellet into battery, then pushing the bolt forward would seat the pellet into the barrel’s breech. All well and good… Unfortunately, if you hadn’t pulled the bolt back enough, you would have failed to set the mechanism for the next shot. To rectify this you couldn’t just pull the bolt fully back and then forward again, as this would put a second pellet into the breech. So to overcome the problem you would have to pull back the bolt enough to allow the magazine to be removed, then with the magazine out of the gun, pull the bolt completely back until you heard the distinctive ‘click’ of the firing mechanism resetting (as the trigger blade ‘kicked’ forward). You could then turn the magazine back one notch to the empty chamber, reinsert it, then push the bolt fully home. Long winded, huh? Well actually it didn’t take as long to do as it did to describe, and in truth if you used the S410 for any length of time you soon learned to listen and feel for the extra ‘click’ at the end of the bolt withdrawal to confirm that the action was set before you pushed the bolt back to seat the pellet.

[Buster321c 1,010]

Does it work ok without the mag in ?

 

yes, without a mag in its smooth as anything, which is what lead me to believe it was the mag, but when i tried other mags it was the same problem

 

cheers for the reply

 

 

Ok , so it could be one of 2 springs ............

 

 

In the mag housing there is a small spring ( like the one on the end of a ball point pen , but shorter ) and a small ball bearing . This `should ` locate into the groves on the outside of the ali pellet housing , every time its indexed . You can turn it with your finger , just to make sure its working right , and clicking into place .

 

As you said you`ve had the same trouble with a different mag , i would also look at the indexing post . This is located where the mag `slots` in . With the magazine left out of the gun , look to where you would put it ( the mag ) There you will see a small flat copper strip , attached to a post . As you cock the rifle this flicks the mag round . Look to see its working ok , and then slowly cock the rifle with an empty mag in . More than likley , its not indexing fully . It may need the copper strip bending a `tad ` , or , the mag may need cleaning , or both .

 

Have a go and let me know , Bust .

[Alex Arrigone 24]

Just found this in a review

 

 

As mentioned previously, since their launch the S400 and S410 have been popular for both hunting and HFT, and rightly so, but personally I always found a little niggle with the operation of the bolt action on the multi-shot S410 version. This was simply because as you drew back the bolt, the magazine would turn one notch putting the next pellet into battery, then pushing the bolt forward would seat the pellet into the barrel’s breech. All well and good… Unfortunately, if you hadn’t pulled the bolt back enough, you would have failed to set the mechanism for the next shot. To rectify this you couldn’t just pull the bolt fully back and then forward again, as this would put a second pellet into the breech. So to overcome the problem you would have to pull back the bolt enough to allow the magazine to be removed, then with the magazine out of the gun, pull the bolt completely back until you heard the distinctive ‘click’ of the firing mechanism resetting (as the trigger blade ‘kicked’ forward). You could then turn the magazine back one notch to the empty chamber, reinsert it, then push the bolt fully home. Long winded, huh? Well actually it didn’t take as long to do as it did to describe, and in truth if you used the S410 for any length of time you soon learned to listen and feel for the extra ‘click’ at the end of the bolt withdrawal to confirm that the action was set before you pushed the bolt back to seat the pellet.

 

this has happened a few times in the early day, and i did the same things as stated to avoid a double pelet feed however the problem doesnt stem from that. but thats for the info friend

 

[Alex Arrigone 24]

Ok , so it could be one of 2 springs ............

 

 

In the mag housing there is a small spring ( like the one on the end of a ball point pen , but shorter ) and a small ball bearing . This `should ` locate into the groves on the outside of the ali pellet housing , every time its indexed . You can turn it with your finger , just to make sure its working right , and clicking into place .

 

As you said you`ve had the same trouble with a different mag , i would also look at the indexing post . This is located where the mag `slots` in . With the magazine left out of the gun , look to where you would put it ( the mag ) There you will see a small flat copper strip , attached to a post . As you cock the rifle this flicks the mag round . Look to see its working ok , and then slowly cock the rifle with an empty mag in . More than likley , its not indexing fully . It may need the copper strip bending a `tad ` , or , the mag may need cleaning , or both .

 

Have a go and let me know , Bust .

 

thanks for the advice, i have cheched the copper lip on the inside perfore and everything looks in order, however the springs i havent and i'm not keen on taking the weappon apart in case i void the warranty. it may be simpler to send it back, i was just hoping it was something simple.

 

but i will double check the magazene feed n stuff in case i missed something.

 

thanks for the help!

[77 si 21]

maybe the mag doesn't aline quite as well as it should and the bolt is just catching on the forward. Hens working perfectly with the magazine out.

 

Hope you manage to get it fixed soon.

 

ATB.

[jackthepatterdale 1]

check the turning arm for the magizine i going all the way up to turn the magizine fully to the next pellet if its working clean the bolt with a dry cloth and put some grease on it

[J Darcy 5,871]

My AAs410 was quite stiff too for the last part of the 'stroke'. It still shot like a dream. It was always a little bit stiff, but nothing to worry about. Personally i would put a few tins through the gun and see what you get ...