Rminton Subs

[whippeter69 88]

Cheers for the replys guys, you have been exellent once again for help. I think that my bu;;ets must be a funny batch as i have shot a group of 1.6cm today at 40yards with my .22 using a older box of winchester subs same bullet but different batch number.

 

I will be trying some different brands of ammo out soon, but the probelm is my RFD does not stock the most liked round in subsonic on this forum which is the ELEY, but i will ring around.

 

Just a quick one again to pick you're brains, whats the best high velocity round you have had, just for some close range fox's when they stay just out side the range of a shotgun, thanks again guys,

 

Whippeter

[heritage 202]

Ive tried stingers in the past but have to admit to my own dislike of fox control using a 22 rimfire, regardless of the ammo choice....i found the rounds severley affected the zero and had too many cons to consider using them on a regular basis. Id just suggest sticking to your subs for normal work as this is what the rifle will excel at, if the fox is out of range of a shotgun simply let it go rather than risking a poor shot with the rimfire.....if you are seriously intrested in fox control your better equiping yourself properly with a more suitable calibre.....im a firm beliver in chosing the right tool for the job....this is just my own views but im sure others would be able to advise you more on the subject......atb

[stillair1 16]

iirc stingers are a tad longer in the case and may cause some chambering issues (damage) with match chambers which the sako has. Subs are best.

Edited December 26, 2010 by stillair1

[matt_hooks 188]

Foxes, at a sensible range, are well within the scope of a well placed .22LR round, even a sub. I personally wouldn't shoot much past 25 yards at a fox with the shotty, whereas I can confidently place a .22 in the brain box at 50 plus yards with the .22. A good skull shot will put the fox on the deck immediately, as long as you follow the shot up to make sure it's dead, you have a good humane way of dealing with them.

 

Alternatively get a variation for the .22WMR, the same energy at 100 yards as a LR at the muzzle!

[mjr88 50]

I know plenty of people that now only use target ammo for hunting.

 

 

Isn't it illegal in the UK to use Rimfire target Ammo for hunting , Solid bullet

[halamrose 24]

I don't recall anything in law that requires expanding ammo for hunting.

[LordGamebore 0]

I know plenty of people that now only use target ammo for hunting.

 

 

Isn't it illegal in the UK to use Rimfire target Ammo for hunting , Solid bullet

 

The law require you use expanding ammo for deer only. Use what you like on vermin.

[green oval 8]

I find eley the best if shooting at paper targets, but they don't have the stopping power.

 

A 40 grain .22 caliber bullet travelling at just over 1000fps will kill any rabbit no problem, head or chest shot.

 

You have a lot to say on the subject for someone with no FAC yet.

I assume you are talking about what you have heard from friends or read about, not from personal experience.

[matt_hooks 188]

Halam, the only requirement in law for expanding amunition is for deer. However, in general I'd agree that match ammunition isn't ideal for shooting live targets. The one exception is with the solid lead rounds (the .22LR being the most popular) as the lead bullet will expand on impact, albeit not as much as a hollow point, but certainly sufficient to impart lethal amounts of energy into smaller target animals!

[halamrose 24]

Thanks Matt,

It always worries me there may be legislation I don't know about. It took me ages to find the Act where the 50ft from the road bit is and I wanted to read it for my self as its often misquoted and I was gearing up for an argument with my firearms officer. It's in the Highway not Firearms Acts so presumably you get points for an infringement

Cheers,

Halam

[matt_hooks 188]

Indeed Halam, and what a great bit of legislation it is too... NOT! Try deciphering what exactly qualifies as a "carriageway" for the purposes of that particular chapter, it makes for hours of fun and games! And lots of people think that you can't shoot near a public footpath, as it is a "right of way" but the act specifically limits it to a roadway improved for the use of motor vehicles. People seem surprised when I tell them I can quite legally shoot close to, and even over, a public footpath (or a public road come to that).

[HUnter_zero 58]

Hi guys, just a quick question as i have been having a few problems with my .22lr at the mo. Im using winchester subs and they are not as good as i hoped (maybe its a bad batch)

 

 

The first thing I would say is; how do you know that the ammo is at fault? Have you chronograph'ed the ammunition to see if there are fluctuations in velocity?

Winchester subs are good, I used to get one or two fliers out of a box, now I use Eley subs but even with them I get the odd flier.

There are many things that can cause bad grouping, you need to look at all possible causes before concluding on anyone. Are you using a moderator? If so, what sort of groups do you get with the moderator off? Have you inspected the crown? If so, what condition is it in? If your using a moderator the chances are the crown will be covered in carbon, try cleaning it. Stock screws, are the screws tight? Scope screws, are the screws tight? Is the scope okay? Do you get a change in point of impact if you adjust the variable magnification? As already said, there are many other factors involved here, including the change of temperature, if you have a wooden stock taking the rifle from a warm house out in to the cold can effect the way in which the stock touches the action. I noticed a .3" drop in poi with my .308 with the temperature being -11 on the range, this is due to the air being more dense.

 

John

[whippeter69 88]

Hi guys, just a quick question as i have been having a few problems with my .22lr at the mo. Im using winchester subs and they are not as good as i hoped (maybe its a bad batch)

 

 

The first thing I would say is; how do you know that the ammo is at fault? Have you chronograph'ed the ammunition to see if there are fluctuations in velocity?

Winchester subs are good, I used to get one or two fliers out of a box, now I use Eley subs but even with them I get the odd flier.

There are many things that can cause bad grouping, you need to look at all possible causes before concluding on anyone. Are you using a moderator? If so, what sort of groups do you get with the moderator off? Have you inspected the crown? If so, what condition is it in? If your using a moderator the chances are the crown will be covered in carbon, try cleaning it. Stock screws, are the screws tight? Scope screws, are the screws tight? Is the scope okay? Do you get a change in point of impact if you adjust the variable magnification? As already said, there are many other factors involved here, including the change of temperature, if you have a wooden stock taking the rifle from a warm house out in to the cold can effect the way in which the stock touches the action. I noticed a .3" drop in poi with my .308 with the temperature being -11 on the range, this is due to the air being more dense.

 

John

 

Hi matey, just a thank for you're info matey. I tried all the above (except chrnoning the ammo) and found not difference in POI without the moderator, i then went out and zeroed the rifle and found is it back on track after taking the scope off and tightening all the screw. BUT i did notice a change of POI when i changed the Magnification.

 

Think i might buy a better wuality scope soon.

[HUnter_zero 58]

i then went out and zeroed the rifle and found is it back on track after taking the scope off and tightening all the screw. BUT i did notice a change of POI when i changed the Magnification.

 

 

Did the POI return back when you returned to the same magnification you zeroed at?

Sounds like the scope is at fault and not the ammo.

 

 

John

[langouroux 14]

I know this thread is a bit old....but I can’t believe no one uses RWS !? Its all I have ever used!!!

 

I have tried Winchester which has good knock down power but lacks consistency. You only have to look at the shape of the bullet heads to see why they are inconsistent!

 

I think Remington sub’s are sh*t personally as are CCI.

 

I haven't tried eley.