A---holes with dangerouse dogs

[lietome 138]

You are right, I don't understand what you are saying. Iv'e read it and tried but I can't get what you are saying. How do you KNOW a dog is not capable of biting?

You keep saying some dogs are simply not capable of biting. How do you KNOW?They all have the gear, all they need is the motivation, provocation, pain etc.

 

I,ll make it simple for you.......do you believe ALL people are capable of killing another person if subject to the right provocation ?..........no of course they are not,there are some people who just simply do not have the core capability within them to retaliate with extreme violence.

 

Same thing different species.

all dogs of all breeds will bite if pushed and provoked ffs

[gnasher16 30,121]

lads lads lads......you really are overcomplicating this.......look,you can relate to Darwin,read scientific books,or come up with all the long words you like.......the FACT is,nature throws up things WE as mere humans cannot control.....use common sense,if we were fully responsible for the temperament and characteristics of dogs then we would all breed perfect dogs all of the time......we cant and we wont !.....

 

so many people learn about breeding and genetics through books.....its great to have some understanding of genetics from studying books but as so often happens in other areas of life the reality is often very different to the theory !......

 

nobody can breed the perfect dog,the reason being nature doesnt allow that.....what makes folk think environment is the sole reason a dog will attack a human,its ludicrous to even think it.....some dogs are naturally shy,some are naturally confident,some are naturally playful,some are naturally stubborn etc etc etc.......and thats with all the best environment and raising in the world......YOU CANNOT PUT IN WHAT NATURE LEFT OUT !....thats just the laws of nature.

[gnasher16 30,121]

all dogs of all breeds will bite if pushed and provoked ffs

 

 

Its a ridiculous statement to make my friend.....its like saying all people will react with violence if pushed,they wont !!.....some dogs are placid BY NATURE.......what you are saying is just a romantic notion that has no truth whatsoever......some dogs you could kick punch and completely mistreat they will not even raise a lip because its simply not in them to do so.......nature is not robotic it doesnt produce like for like within any species.

[gaz 284]

Dogs aint humans!....they unlike us abide in a pack stucture where rank and dominance can and does dictate how there gonna react with aggression in certain circumsances when threatened and stressed esp if backed into a corner by another dog or person within its social pack stucture.

 

If a toddler who is more than likley to be veiwed as low ranking pack member continually provokes,harrasses and stresses a dog esp backed into a corner,most if not all dogs will eventually lash out and bite to defend itself...the severity of the attack will depend on the dogs genetic make-up and breeding but there would be less chance of the dog lashing out if the same scenario were to be played out with a higher ranking pack member such as the toddlers father provoking the said dog...so taking into account the above,my opinion is all dogs have the potential and are cappable of biting a human...esp a lower ranking pack member such as a child which seems to be all too common when we sadly hear about another dog attack in the news or tabloids.

[danw 1,748]

lads lads lads......you really are overcomplicating this.......look,you can relate to Darwin,read scientific books,or come up with all the long words you like.......the FACT is,nature throws up things WE as mere humans cannot control.....use common sense,if we were fully responsible for the temperament and characteristics of dogs then we would all breed perfect dogs all of the time......we cant and we wont !.....

 

so many people learn about breeding and genetics through books.....its great to have some understanding of genetics from studying books but as so often happens in other areas of life the reality is often very different to the theory !......

 

nobody can breed the perfect dog,the reason being nature doesnt allow that.....what makes folk think environment is the sole reason a dog will attack a human,its ludicrous to even think it.....some dogs are naturally shy,some are naturally confident,some are naturally playful,some are naturally stubborn etc etc etc.......and thats with all the best environment and raising in the world......YOU CANNOT PUT IN WHAT NATURE LEFT OUT !....thats just the laws of nature.

 

 

Whilst I agree that genetic abnormalities can and do occur my whole point is that breeders do not consider their choice of parents and the lineage that these dogs have the breeders only think of money so any old dog will do so long as it "looks right",neither do they consider the ability or facilities available to the pups new owner, cash is their only consideration.

If breeders bred responsibly and kept lines which had the temperament that suits there needs culling poor pups and not breeding from dogs which show undesirable traits then possibly dogs would breed truer than they do today and given that humans domesticated dogs 15000 years ago it is not like we haven't' had the time to get this right.

 

Its a shame but it is all about the money

[bird 9,918]

lads lads lads......you really are overcomplicating this.......look,you can relate to Darwin,read scientific books,or come up with all the long words you like.......the FACT is,nature throws up things WE as mere humans cannot control.....use common sense,if we were fully responsible for the temperament and characteristics of dogs then we would all breed perfect dogs all of the time......we cant and we wont !.....

 

so many people learn about breeding and genetics through books.....its great to have some understanding of genetics from studying books but as so often happens in other areas of life the reality is often very different to the theory !......

 

nobody can breed the perfect dog,the reason being nature doesnt allow that.....what makes folk think environment is the sole reason a dog will attack a human,its ludicrous to even think it.....some dogs are naturally shy,some are naturally confident,some are naturally playful,some are naturally stubborn etc etc etc.......and thats with all the best environment and raising in the world......YOU CANNOT PUT IN WHAT NATURE LEFT OUT !....thats just the laws of nature.

 

spot on mate it is still the breed of dog at the end of the day, in simple terms i would rather face 40lb collie, than 40lb pit . As i said all dogs can bite+ kill if big enough.It dont matter how it brough up,its the as the above the genetics= breeding.All breeds are man made for jobs or were,be it sheep dogs, gundogs,running +hunting dogs, guard dogs,fighting dogs all bred for a job (by man). Some breeds end up as pets, that never do the job what there were bred for thats ok. But people should never forget the (gene's) of that breed will never change, and when things go wrong with a dog that what will come to the out. So people will choose what breeds they want ok,i was brough up with staffs had bullmastiffs. So i know what powerful dogs can do, if it goes wrong. And there is hell of differnce from a 80lb golden retriever and a 80lb bullmastiff. Its the breed of dog (end of)

[gnasher16 30,121]

Dogs aint humans!....they unlike us abide in a pack stucture where rank and dominance can and does dictate how there gonna react with aggression in certain circumsances when threatened and stressed esp if backed into a corner by another dog or person within its social pack stucture.

 

If a toddler who is more than likley to be veiwed as low ranking pack member continually provokes,harrasses and stresses a dog esp backed into a corner,most if not all dogs will eventually lash out and bite to defend itself...the severity of the attack will depend on the dogs genetic make-up and breeding but there would be less chance of the dog lashing out if the same scenario were to be played out with a higher ranking pack member such as the toddlers father provoking the said dog...so taking into account the above,my opinion is all dogs have the potential and are cappable of biting a human...esp a lower ranking pack member such as a child which seems to be all too common when we sadly hear about another dog attack in the news or tabloids.

 

 

The only reason im putting humans and dogs in the same sentance is because we understand the complexities of nature within human beings and how some people are born bad and some are born with no bad bone in their body whatsoever........but that could be pretty much any form of life not just humans/dogs......what im comparing is nature itself not certain species within the natural world......nature itself throws up imperfections within every species.......DOGS ARE NO DIFFERENT !....so to say dogs only bite people because of the environment they are raised is basically wrong,and very naive to the way nature works.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

Whilst I agree that genetic abnormalities can and do occur my whole point is that breeders do not consider their choice of parents and the lineage that these dogs have the breeders only think of money so any old dog will do so long as it "looks right",neither do they consider the ability or facilities available to the pups new owner, cash is their only consideration.

If breeders bred responsibly and kept lines which had the temperament that suits there needs culling poor pups and not breeding from dogs which show undesirable traits then possibly dogs would breed truer than they do today and given that humans domesticated dogs 15000 years ago it is not like we haven't' had the time to get this right.

 

Its a shame but it is all about the money

 

 

I agree,breeding should always be about stacking the odds in favour of what you are trying to produce....nobody purposely breeds dogs that attack and kill people.....so the more you breed away from the purpose a dog is designed the more likelihood there is of throwing up undesirable traits......american pit bull terriers selected and bred purely for gameness tend to show the least human aggression.....hence,the further away from the pit they are bred the more undesirable traits are introduced,in this case human aggression.

Unfortunately very few people in todays times breed this breed for the pit,so naturally those selection procedures have been compromised.....which equals dogs bred away from the pit = less gameness = more undesirable traits = more human attacks.

Edited December 29, 2010 by gnasher16

[Cold Ethyl 63]

At the end of the day the dog killed someone yet theres loads of people worrying about the dog!My male dog for exsample would defend you to the death but hes not allowed to cos i dont really want him to have to be pts.He did however growl and push a friend of mine away from me and charge at him because we were all carrying on and he had me backed in the corner something My dogs dont seem to take kindly too.He also took off at my dads mate for the same thing he stepped into the back of the van behind me shouting because of someone else and dog mistook it for something else.The dog was soon told he wasnt allowed to react and settled.not every dog goes mad due to ownership seen plenty of dogs with good owners just cant help being a git and plenty of excellent dogs with bad owners.Seen dogs who were allowed to snap and snarl at kids only to further progress and chew a kids face off.All because their dog loves kids and would never do such a thing.The shar pei i rescued was fine here with me and kids and even his hatred for other dogs was starting to stop and yet he turned one day out of the blue and bit me and my dad went mental couldnt even get him back out of the van in the end he had to go to the vets be sedated and dealt with all in the van with a dog pole round his neck and it haunts me still cos i cant figure out what actually went wrong.My terrier loves people never bitten in her life till the other week she nailed the vet after getting badly injured she got him a cracker and turns out he needed a fair few stitches not her at all but she was in pain and very wound up and surprised she survived what happened and she only got him because he put his hand in her mouth more or less she couldnt move her neck and i pointed out she had grumbled and showed her teeth when i handled her into the car and he shouldnt go near the face end and well he told me hes a vet hes never been bitten blah blah blah and well he got bitten

[fez123 0]

theres no daft dogs without daft owners.people who walk round with dogs that are dangerous have never been shown how to bring a dog up properly and have no respect for the animal.

[Gerry48 10]

 

Whilst I agree that genetic abnormalities can and do occur my whole point is that breeders do not consider their choice of parents and the lineage that these dogs have the breeders only think of money so any old dog will do so long as it "looks right",neither do they consider the ability or facilities available to the pups new owner, cash is their only consideration.

If breeders bred responsibly and kept lines which had the temperament that suits there needs culling poor pups and not breeding from dogs which show undesirable traits then possibly dogs would breed truer than they do today and given that humans domesticated dogs 15000 years ago it is not like we haven't' had the time to get this right.

 

Its a shame but it is all about the money

 

 

I agree,breeding should always be about stacking the odds in favour of what you are trying to produce....nobody purposely breeds dogs that attack and kill people.....so the more you breed away from the purpose a dog is designed the more likelihood there is of throwing up undesirable traits......american pit bull terriers selected and bred purely for gameness tend to show the least human aggression.....hence,the further away from the pit they are bred the more undesirable traits are introduced,in this case human aggression.

Unfortunately very few people in todays times breed this breed for the pit,so naturally those selection procedures have been compromised.....which equals dogs bred away from the pit = less gameness = more undesirable traits = more human attacks.

[Gerry48 10]

I disagree there are some idiots that do breed dogs to cause damage to either othere dogs or human's.

[Leewx 2]

ALL DOGS WILL BITE. You are a fool to think that some will and some won't but just to be on the safe side i'll treat it like a dog that does bite, what rubbish. No not every human will kill if provoked enough but thats because we are HUMAN we are able to articulate our feelings and leave a situation behind us if its getting our back up. Push ANY mans buttons for long enough and you will get a reaction, be it a raised voice and some cross words or a few punches thrown he will snap. This could be completely out of character for a normally "placid" man but in a moment of anger he looses it. Flip that around to a dog thats left with a five year old, alone sometimes during the day while mam or dad make dinner or whatever. The kid pokes the dog in the eye, pulls its ears, tickle's its balls steps on it toes "playing" because the dog is a ANIMAL it cannot articulate itself and snaps at the kid because he has had enough and takes half of the kids face off. Again this could be completely out of character for the normally "placid" family dog who gets on well with children and other dogs. Yes all dogs have different personalities but they ALL WILL BITE, and generally its human error thats the cause of a dogs problem. Look at the other thread on here about a murdered dog. Bottom line if that dog was not allowed to roam free it would be alive today, simple. Human error again. Its the dogs i feel sorry for.

As a new member but long time lurker on here i can honestly say THE LUNATICS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE ASYLUM some shite being written on here these days

[gnasher16 30,121]

Yes all dogs have different personalities

 

 

Talk about piss over your own argument !!

 

Just as some humans will snap under extreme provocation and react with violence,another human being will argue,talk about it or plain ignore it.

 

Just as some dogs will snap under provocation and bite....others will react by getting up and walking away......to say ALL dogs will sooner or later bite your face off ( this all dogs will bite theory ) is ludicrous.....

 

We simply dont know what dogs would bite or what dogs wouldnt so common sense dictates we treat ALL dogs like they would.....and rightly so......but the reality is some dogs will never ever bite a person just like some humans will never ever react with violence.....this assumption that ALL living animals will attack you if provoked is hilarious.....or just all domesticated dogs is it ?

[robo-christ 40]

well i disagree that all dogs will bite under any reasonable pressure,but ANY dog no matter what the breeding can be manipulated from being a pup to attack people,ive seen it myself a few times and heard about it many times from an old employer who was a police dog handler for many years.