Checking up on the law

[darren watson 14]

  On 24/12/2010 at 14:56, Sexy_Shot said:

  On 24/12/2010 at 14:53, rossy08 said:

i was once going to my derbyshire permission.takes 2 busses and around 2 houers. got in to the middle of nottingham and the bus was stopped just short of town,apparently they had reports of an armed man and there were choppers cars dogs the works every where the place was swarming, thing was we had to get off the bus and walk through it all to get to the bus station for the next bus.

 

by this time the then missis was in bits crying shakeing convinced i was going to be jumped on any minuet by the armed responce,must admitt was exspecting it my self. dressed in normal clothes but with large cammo bag and my rifle on me.

 

just walked through as normal as can be but with the missis in the state she was in must have looked like i was makeing her come with me.

 

walked passed no end of coppers even ask one where to go to get round the corned off streets, and they never even battered an eyelid,could not belive it.

 

they have reports of and armed man,taped off half of nottingham must have been nearly all of nottinghams police out,and i walk through them all with a rifle on my back and a girl crying. if they had have stopped me i would have understood,and been as helpfull as poss, just seamed so wroung to me that they dident. this was all at the start of the year.

 

Andy

 

 

I suppose it would be different though if you got stopped compared to me, because i'm under-aged to "walk" with a gun, and presuming your older than 18 your legal :/

 

Makes you think what the country's coming too

 

Trev

 

 

 

too right, when did a 16 year old last go on a killing spree!

[Sexy_Shot 5]

No Idea, the laws pathetic, I'm not saying everyone with an airgun the same age or under as me, are stupid, but always the minority ruining it for the majority

 

Trev

[rossy08 33]

point i was trying make is in that situation they should have stopped me and detained me untill they could prove that i was not the person they were looking for,no matter what my age. i go hear there and every where with my rifle and have for many many years always on foot or by public transport as i dont drive,i have never been stopped,but the one time they should have they dident.

 

sorry if it was a little confusing

 

hope it clears thing up a little as to what i was trying to say

 

Andy

[Alan Clark 7]

Phantom,

 

You said you have taken you rifle(s) on various forms of public transport, including trains. Did you have to get permission from the train operating company?

 

I only ask as it is a condition in the National Conditions of Carriage that firearms (or guns as they call them) of any type are not permited on any rail services in the UK without special dispensation.

 

It is in appendix b, page 25 (27) http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdf

 

That said I know that our neighbour takes his musket on the train to civil war re-enactments.

[Phantom 631]

  On 01/01/2011 at 22:37, Alan Clark said:

Phantom,

 

You said you have taken you rifle(s) on various forms of public transport, including trains. Did you have to get permission from the train operating company?

 

I only ask as it is a condition in the National Conditions of Carriage that firearms (or guns as they call them) of any type are not permited on any rail services in the UK without special dispensation.

 

It is in appendix b, page 25 (27) http://www.nationalr.../misc/NRCOC.pdf

 

That said I know that our neighbour takes his musket on the train to civil war re-enactments.

 

 

Hi Alan,

I know all about the NRCOC, it pops up relatively often on here

And to answer your question, NOPE I didn't nor was I ever challenged at any of the stations or on the train by any of the Rail Companies Staff or indeed the BTP on Leeds, Doncaster or Hull Stations (all three of them have large numbers of officers on both the platforms or concourse's, well apart from Hull, they only have a few officers). The thing is with the NRCOC, it is Conditions of carriage and not (as far as I am aware, but as always I am open to correction) Law.

 

I have also travelled by local Bus companies (one of whose drivers is a total jobsworth AND a Magistrate and he looked at the case of pistols and the rifles and he didn't bat an eyelid)

 

Andy,

If the Police had an area cordened off they were obviously looking for a person who they knew would be in the area and highly likely had a good description of the suspect, hence the reason they wouldn't have bothered checking you out, now if you looked like that person, or your rifle was not in its slip, they would without a doubt challenged you

 

Phantom

[Alan Clark 7]

Thanks for that, yes the NRCOC are just those, not byelaws. But it is the contract under which passengers purchase tickets and are granted travel so by travelling with a 'banned' item would mean you were not complying with said contract and so a ticket would not be valid but I guess you have to encounter a real jobsworth who has had a really bad day to have any kind of problem. The worst they could do is ask you to leave, which clearly no-one is interested in doing.

 

I have checked the Railway Bye-Laws and cannot find any reference to air guns (or any other type being barred), the only bye-law against them is on the Metrolink trams around Manchester. You can carry one unloaded with good reason (ie going to a gunsmith etc) but they cannot be carried at the same time as any ammunition capable of being fired from said gun.

[rossy08 33]

  On 02/01/2011 at 00:53, Phantom said:

  On 01/01/2011 at 22:37, Alan Clark said:

Phantom,

 

You said you have taken you rifle(s) on various forms of public transport, including trains. Did you have to get permission from the train operating company?

 

I only ask as it is a condition in the National Conditions of Carriage that firearms (or guns as they call them) of any type are not permited on any rail services in the UK without special dispensation.

 

It is in appendix b, page 25 (27) http://www.nationalr.../misc/NRCOC.pdf

 

That said I know that our neighbour takes his musket on the train to civil war re-enactments.

 

 

Hi Alan,

I know all about the NRCOC, it pops up relatively often on here

And to answer your question, NOPE I didn't nor was I ever challenged at any of the stations or on the train by any of the Rail Companies Staff or indeed the BTP on Leeds, Doncaster or Hull Stations (all three of them have large numbers of officers on both the platforms or concourse's, well apart from Hull, they only have a few officers). The thing is with the NRCOC, it is Conditions of carriage and not (as far as I am aware, but as always I am open to correction) Law.

 

I have also travelled by local Bus companies (one of whose drivers is a total jobsworth AND a Magistrate and he looked at the case of pistols and the rifles and he didn't bat an eyelid)

 

Andy,

If the Police had an area cordened off they were obviously looking for a person who they knew would be in the area and highly likely had a good description of the suspect, hence the reason they wouldn't have bothered checking you out, now if you looked like that person, or your rifle was not in its slip, they would without a doubt challenged you

 

Phantom

 

hi there phantom hope ya have been having a good time with si and laura.

 

i would like to think that that was the case, but after reading the local papers it turns out they had a call from member of the public saying they saw a youth with what looked like a gun,witch turned out to be a false call. now why dident they stop me. i may be touching 30 but i shure as hell dont look it and im quessing they dident have much of a discription to go on.(thought of corse my rifle was unloaded and in its slip with a lock on it)

 

if theres one time i my life that i think they should have jumped on me and detained me that was it. bear in mind the area in question is the center of nottingham.

 

i just find it strange, altho im grateful as was the missis that i dident get stoped and went on to have a happy hunting trip.

 

Andy