Pitbull lurchers

[Crow 1]

The law relates to any 'pit bull type' dog - so I have to wonder why ANYONE would want a lurcher that resembles a pit bull type?

Just for those that have misunderstood this comment I was not referring to bull cross lurchers in general, but dogs that would be classed as 'pit bull type' - in as much as they resemble a pit bull in physical looks.

 

I can't see why any owner of a run-of-the-mill bull cross has anything to worry about with the current (apparent) hysteria surrounding APBTs - unless of course your dog does resemble an APBT so closely that the general public might not view it as a lurcher (and if that’s the case I doubt it can be called an 'all rounder' either!).

 

Clarification made!

[stevie g 2005 125]

Thats all aload of rubish about the dna testing , you cannot tel one dog breed from another from dna (beleive me !)

Excuse the ignorance, but why should we believe you?

 

The law relates to any 'pit bull type' dog - so I have to wonder why ANYONE want want a lurcher that resembles a pit bull type?

 

Sorry but i had to interfere :whistle:.....it is theoretically very possible to distinguish different dog breeds from one another by DNA, just as it is possible to seperate individuals ( 1 man in a crime scene by DNA.....DNA forensics work very well and used extensively on humans today (or even to trace individuals ethnicisity) ). Similarily genomic DNA of Different dog breeds are very very similar, but hey have so called "hypervariable" DNA regions that could distuinguish breeds and i don't think it would be a difficult job at all to design a "kit" to identify certain DNA regions specific to a dog breed (or cross in its DNA makeup)...as i'm aware there's none around (today)! (BTW, i'm a molecular biologist (PhD, U Manchester)).

 

Cheers

 

Eggy

[mole catcher 1]

This next comment may sound as if im sitting on the fence, but here goes.

 

Any breed of dog can and will inflict damage with possible lethal results if brought up in such a manner that its actions are left unchecked, ie properly trained to be in controll of its own aggression. This said it doesnt meen that a well trained dog will not become a danger to both itself and people if it is left to its own devices.

I like to get on the floor and have a rough and tumble with both my dogs and all is well untill either of the two starts to get a little out of hand with the other. It is 9 times out of 10 the beddyxwhipp that is the first to get a little hard biting on either me or the 3/4grey. It is normally at this point that i as the alpha male of the pack exserts my authority over both of them, however, if i stand back and let them carry on with this game of a 3 way roll around the floor it soon becomes clear that given the right stimulus by way of me laying closer to the ground there grip on my arms becomes noticable harder, thus the game is in my veiw only a single trigger from becoming a power struggle between myself and my dogs.

With this in mind it becomes clear to me and most dog owners, that no matter how much trust we place in our dogs, given the right stimulus ALL BREEDS of dog have it in their nature to turn.

Now, in the defence of bull cross owners, of which i have met many most if not all that i have met know there dogs capibilities all to well and do all in there power to bring up their dogs with safety in mind. However, it only takes a single action of a single person to bring the breeds name into the public eye regarding its temprament, combine this with a little good old fashioned media hype and bingo, mass hystera regarding a single breed, of which there are possible hundreds of safe individuals in homes across this country.

[DIGGIT 6]

This next comment may sound as if im sitting on the fence, but here goes.

 

Any breed of dog can and will inflict damage with possible lethal results if brought up in such a manner that its actions are left unchecked, ie properly trained to be in controll of its own aggression. This said it doesnt meen that a well trained dog will not become a danger to both itself and people if it is left to its own devices.

I like to get on the floor and have a rough and tumble with both my dogs and all is well untill either of the two starts to get a little out of hand with the other. It is 9 times out of 10 the beddyxwhipp that is the first to get a little hard biting on either me or the 3/4grey. It is normally at this point that i as the alpha male of the pack exserts my authority over both of them, however, if i stand back and let them carry on with this game of a 3 way roll around the floor it soon becomes clear that given the right stimulus by way of me laying closer to the ground there grip on my arms becomes noticable harder, thus the game is in my veiw only a single trigger from becoming a power struggle between myself and my dogs.

With this in mind it becomes clear to me and most dog owners, that no matter how much trust we place in our dogs, given the right stimulus ALL BREEDS of dog have it in their nature to turn.

Now, in the defence of bull cross owners, of which i have met many most if not all that i have met know there dogs capibilities all to well and do all in there power to bring up their dogs with safety in mind. However, it only takes a single action of a single person to bring the breeds name into the public eye regarding its temprament, combine this with a little good old fashioned media hype and bingo, mass hystera regarding a single breed, of which there are possible hundreds of safe individuals in homes across this country.

well put mate,a good post & a good point :thumbs-up: :thumbs-up:

[BITCH 135]

Crow & Eggy.

MOLL.

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Edited February 3, 2007 by BITCH

[Guest MOLLY]

The thread was started to give people the correct information due to another not very diplomatic thread i had to delete.

Siding with other anti bull x members ....thanks for that, just spat my tea all over the keyboard

MOLL.

[BITCH 135]

Thats all aload of rubish about the dna testing , you cannot tel one dog breed from another from dna (beleive me !)

Excuse the ignorance, but why should we believe you?

 

The law relates to any 'pit bull type' dog - so I have to wonder why ANYONE would want a lurcher that resembles a pit bull type?

 

 

Crow & Eggy.

MOLL.

 

sorry sideing wrong word...i mean,t BUM LICKING!!!!!!!! :kiss:

[Guest MOLLY]

Rotflmfao ...this just gets even better :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Do you actually have any idea exactly what i was agreeing with ....well ill answer for you.... obviously not

This might give you a clue...

 

Just for the record Moll,you did read correctly on the DNA testing .

 

 

Police and RSPCA officers have seized four dogs and arrested two men after executing search warrants under the Dangerous Dogs Act.

 

West Yorkshire Police and officers from the RSPCA seized the animals at one address in Liversedge and one in Heckmondwike.

 

The dogs are being held by police who said DNA and other tests will be carried out to confirm the breeds.

 

But keep it coming Bitch, you will surely keep me entertained on a long and boring shift at work

MOLL.

[Border Terrier 0]

why would Molly be anti bull breed if she owns a bull cross herself? I think maybe you got the wrong end of the stick Bitch

[BITCH 135]

why would Molly be anti bull breed if she owns a bull cross herself? I think maybe you got the wrong end of the stick Bitch

 

maybe so,but why draw attention to the fact,pics with foxes and lurchers was stopped to prevent hassle, so why give them something else to feed on.

[Border Terrier 0]

Ok sorry I didnt know that. How do you mean when you say pics of lurcher with foxes has been stopped? Does that mean its not allowed to post them anymore?

[Rainmaker 7]

A little OT (well kinda) but this all reminds me of an incident that occurred about ten years ago.

 

I lived on a council estate and the typical yob family over the road (you know the type, they have family members all over the estate and think they run it) had a collie x beagle x whippet bitch who could have been a very useful ferreting dog in the right hands.

 

The teenage lads who owned it though raised it to snap and snarl at anything and anyone, and the dog was left roaming the estate throughout the day. It thought nothing of entering houses, biting anyone getting in its way, to steal food or have a kip on the couch.

 

Having bitten two babies, a woman and an old man who had to fend it off with his stick, I got sick of it and rang the dog warden. Not interested. I raised DDA in the capacity it SHOULD be used (a non-specific breed actually BEING dangerously out of control in a public place) and he didn't give a shit.

 

I spoke to his boss, same story. "It's not a pit bull, we can't do anything". Course you can mate, how about sections 2 through 5 DDA? This dog is roaming around, entering property, biting men women and children and running off with smaller dogs in its jaws! "Nope, it's not a pit bull, the DDA doesn't apply."

 

In the end the dog got me and my boxer x staff of the time, and came running over at us snarling while I was exercising her off-lead on the fields. The whole family (mother and sons) were stood watching, laughing, as their dog launched at us!

 

Luckily, as it lunged forward towards me, my bitch came running over, gripped it and pinned it to the floor and gave it a bloody good seeing to. I called her off once their dog started squealing and the mutt went running and didn't bother us again. Funny enough the family who owned it didn't like what happened, though a nonchalant "Should have kept it under control, then!" from me seemed to take the steam out of them.

 

They never let it out to roam after seeing what happened to it, so although I NEVER advocate "teaching dogs a lesson" like this, it happened spontaneously and the result was best all round.

 

Sorry to digress, but it does illustrate the local authorities' attitudes. That, and to agree with the above - it's not the breed, or even the dog, it's the eejit on the other end of the lead, as always.

 

EDIT: Forgot to add, they used DNA typing a couple of years ago to verify the purity of Alano Espanol in Spain. As the breed in its true form is actually quite rare, some enthusiasts/club scoured around for decent ones and they were DNA tested to check for the presence of other breeds in their make-up. The dogs were found to be pure specimens. The "hows" I don't know about, I'm not a molecular biologist like our learned friend Eggy. I read it on moloss.com if I remember rightly.

Edited January 9, 2007 by RainmakerKennels

[salclalin 240]

After that awful Tragedy last week will the Countrymans Weekly ban the Advertisements of Bullx's Again,Like they did a few years ago????????????.

[Guest MOLLY]

maybe so,but why draw attention to the fact,pics with foxes and lurchers was stopped to prevent hassle, so why give them something else to feed on.

I give up

The thread was started to give people the correct information due to another not very diplomatic thread i had to delete.

Believe you me i do not want this thread on here....any moderator will tell you, threads like these keep us constantly on our toes. But had i deleted the original thread and not put the correct facts like....... bulls crosses are also included then there would have been a few people uneducated regarding the DDA posting a hell of alot more inflamatory/dangerous posts then we have on here now.

 

SO.....im a bum licking, anti bull member because i agreed with the DNA testing, who puts up threads to give anti's ammunition.

Have i done something to upset you in a previous life

MOLL.

 

Ok sorry I didnt know that. How do you mean when you say pics of lurcher with foxes has been stopped? Does that mean its not allowed to post them anymore?

Only pics of lurchers actually in the process of killing a fox, but thats another thread done to death ages ago

MOLL.

[BITCH 135]

Have i done something to upset you in a previous life

MOLL.

 

no i,m just sick of all this pit bull shite!! i,ll leave it at that