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im not putting these dogs down,but still havent really had an answer what have they got on a decent bull x?

 

 

They have nothing over a bull x and vise versa..There are good and bad in all types.A good dogs a good dog.

Im a fan of the strong type dogs.... but in my opinion a well bred bull cross has massive advantages over the mastiff crosses that ive seen run/work. Just what ive seen.

[robo-christ 40]

yes but a good bull x and a good alaunt.

basically one has mastiff blood one doesnt.

 

what does the mastiff blood add?

[HALTY LAD 92]

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im asking what if anything the mastiff adds

without it they would not be able to masquerade as the extinct Alaunt (running mastiff)

 

LOL...An Alaunt gentil is of the running mastiff type....The Bull x would be classed as the Alaunt gentil type.read your bull and mastiff history and it will all become clear.

 

They have been crossing greyhounds with bull and mastiff blood for 100's of years.It's no new thing even though some think they were only bred for fox.

The bull cross was bred for big game.

 

As i said do some research not internet research..You will have to turn to the book shelf.

Anubis You have no idea what I know. Il tell you something. The dogs of old were worked, and so developed to Perform well at their JOB, a far cry from the modern copies which were dreamt up by a tit for fame and financial gain and are RARELY in proper working homes, but are still bred from, do you really think these dogs have a niche in the working dog world of the UK???? Please answer that! Maybe if you all exported your 'alaunts' to Australia, with a lot of hard culling you may, after a lot of hard work, and a long time, end up with a strain worthy of a name.

 

But Performance in the field is what its all about, and the fact that you and other 'alaunt' owners believe that these dogs are the business just shows how deluded you need to be to buy one of these dogs and hope to catch game with it!! You, like most owners of these dogs, have been sucked in to the whole romantic image of owning one of the great Alaunts of the past, you can bleet on aboot the old strains of alaunt gentile all day, but they were THEN and this is NOW. Big Difference!

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Im not trying to sell the Alaunt type to anyone so i can answer trufully..for this country unless your taking big game and you want a good holding dog nothing.Its just a differant type for some to try and enjoy.

 

'nothing'

 

At last an honest reply

 

Id also like to add that ive done LOTS of feral pig hunting abroad, mainly the Americas N/S, and yes, they could be useful holders used off the back of vehicles but only on suitable, fairly open land. I can safely say through experience, that to catch the Wild Boar here in the UK, they wouldnt get many at all, you would need hounds or other dogs to bail them or flush them into the open for fast/strong dogs, to be consistent in the UK. That backed up with tracking gear for hounds, and good collars and breast plates are absolutely essential! If this is what you do, fair play to you but I could reccomend better types!

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Im not trying to sell the Alaunt type to anyone so i can answer trufully..for this country unless your taking big game and you want a good holding dog nothing.Its just a differant type for some to try and enjoy.

 

'nothing'

 

At last an honest reply

 

Id also like to add that ive done LOTS of feral pig hunting abroad, mainly the Americas N/S, and yes, they could be useful holders used off the back of vehicles but only on suitable, fairly open land. I can safely say through experience, that to catch the Wild Boar here in the UK, they wouldnt get many at all, you would need hounds or other dogs to bail them or flush them into the open for fast/strong dogs, to be consistent in the UK. That backed up with tracking gear for hounds, and good collars and breast plates are absolutely essential! If this is what you do, fair play to you but I could reccomend better types!

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[lietome 138]

im asking what if anything the mastiff adds

without it they would not be able to masquerade as the extinct Alaunt (running mastiff)

alaunt its a type- put some pics up of your dogs so we can see how great they are, am willing to take up a kind invitation to go out lamping on permision to show how they do for a bull dog ive never said they are a lurcher

[lietome 138]

im asking what if anything the mastiff adds

without it they would not be able to masquerade as the extinct Alaunt (running mastiff)

alaunt its a type- put some pics up of your dogs so we can see how great they are, am willing to take up a kind invitation to go out lamping on permision to show how they do for a bull dog ive never said they are a lurcher

this is the extinct alaunt (running mastiff) i can bring stock broke and good with other dogs and people lol

[HALTY LAD 92]

im asking what if anything the mastiff adds

without it they would not be able to masquerade as the extinct Alaunt (running mastiff)

alaunt its a type- put some pics up of your dogs so we can see how great they are, am willing to take up a kind invitation to go out lamping on permision to show how they do for a bull dog ive never said they are a lurcher

Matey, to me ALL dogs are just TYPES, thats not the point. But the thing is they are not the dogs that they were origionally bred to re-create and never will be. Plus, they have very limited use in the UK, and the jobs they could do could be done better by other types. Its the Mastiff/bull/greys Im talking about really, Mastiff blood being the downfall of the cross. Take away the mastiff blood, and I bet you wont loose pigs! I also bet you will catch far more stuff apart from pigs! Them dogs are wasted in UK hunting and would never have gained popularity if it wasnt for a certain DREAMER!

 

MY dogs were bred here (UK) to do their job, I keep different types, and work them all daily and occasional nights. I never said my dogs were great, but they keep me fed, my freezer full, and my game merchant happy. A bull lurcher line bred from tested animals can be a versatile tool for both meat and vermin, do you think a mastiff cross can better this type at anything? If so, Id love to see it.

 

After saying all that, I admit, im a bit harsh at times. I dont have anything against a person buying a dog simply because they like them, and hats off to anyone who then strives to show it a bit of action. Its just not how I go about things.

 

Take Care

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halty lad: i think you have hit ther nail on the head. its all about personal preference. what you like the look of, and if it suits the individual needs.

 

one thing that no one has mentioned is that mastiffs are very very chilled out dogs at home, and are placid by nature, maybe this along with bite power was a desireable quality to have in a dog all those years ago when alaunts were more common.

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halty lad: i think you have hit ther nail on the head. its all about personal preference. what you like the look of, and if it suits the individual needs.

 

one thing that no one has mentioned is that mastiffs are very very chilled out dogs at home, and are placid by nature, maybe this along with bite power was a desireable quality to have in a dog all those years ago when alaunts were more common.

I can imagine them being a decent guardian dog for the family home/yard.

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I do not believe The Alaunts of old are romantic, mythical or unachievable beasts, you only have to look at the Australian boar hunting scene to see that genuine heavy hunting dogs can be produced if that is what you want. European settlers found themselves with a need for a heavy hunting dog & in a few generations starting with greyhounds other imported european dogs, hey presto with selective breeding of workers you have dogs that work for them day in day out, even going so far as to produce a relatively true breeding type in the Bull Arab. True in modern lowland britain a hunting dog of this type would be bettered by a good Whippet (hunting within the law perhaps) & you could probably keep 3 whippets in place of one Alaunt.

Clearly there are plenty of peaple who want an Alaunt type dog judgeing by the amount of Bull Mastiffs & boxers that are bred in the UK - Pups that will cost a lot more and have far more health problems than a crossbred Alaunt type - Maybee I ve gone abit off topic.

If you are comparing "Alaunts" to staright Bull crosses that is difficult, because as I see it with every generation the Alaunts get more sighthound or Bull/Grey in them to the point that they are just Bull crosses!

My own bitch is an Alaunt sighthound cross so I consider her a lurcher not an Alaunt, I have never owned or hunted with another bull cross so cannot make direct comparrison, (judgeing by the amount of bull crosses bred every year they must be a bit - er variable).

All things considered I am very happy with mine she is a joy to own, quiet and content at home with a woof that stops visitors (and perhaps a casual intruder) in there tracks, but she is not aggressive and is much too sighthoundy to be a serious guard/protection dog. She is never going to be as fast as a longdog, but she is a powerfull bitch with a heck of a sprint. What I like most is the loyalty, my recall training has been a bit slack as when out & about she rarely leaves my side, Are other bull crosses like this? When she does take off after something she is straight back almost as fast as she takes off. On our first lamping outing she missed and came back so fast she couldnt stop and took my left leg out.

Basicaly I enjoy owning the type, I do not really care if the are "alaunts" or not, I doubt if a run of the mill bull/cross is going to be any better and I intend to keep the dog active & intersted by showing it as much mooching as I am able.

Remember, only my opinion & I have no interest in breeding.

Cheers

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good honest post mate ,very well said all the best mate for 211 bunnys