bedlington whippets

[baldockbanks courser 598]

i might be biast here cos i like the beddys i had a beddy grey he was 24 tts and was game as a badger would run any thing in the beam there are good things to come from the cross breding of beddys when crossed with a whippet they get a better coat for the cold wether and and for bushing they are game as ne dog out there and are a all round hardy dog but each to there own heres the dog i had

an so you run a bedlington x greyhound . . . .

[baldockbanks courser 598]

Firstly i will say that every lurcher owner should be able to own whatever type of lurcher he/she likes and which suits there needs.

The question of why would you want a beddy whippet. Lots of opinions have been put across but one thing that comes to my mind that i have not seen in any posts is as follows. Just my personal opinion but i think some farmers can be put off a little if you turn up to ferret with a big lurcher, say 25"+ 50lb+. I would have more confidence of getting permission on a new place if i tuned up with a beddy/whippet or whippet, whippet type. I have owned big and small but for ferreting i think a beddy/whippet etc can do a very good job without making some farmers a little nervous.

I must also say if your farmers have no preference big dogs can be great for the job.

thats rubbish about farmers and permission. Iv got more permission than I can do and I run a saluki lurcher (illegal hare courser side kick) if they dont like it I wont be doing there ferreting.

They have me cause my dogs sensible and can do its job. A whippet would be looked on better than any lurcher by a nieve farmer FACT.

[Karpman 44]

Screw it my Beddy x Whippet is the Tits even if there is no point. Lots of things in life are utterly pointless. Fluff chucking springs to mind

 

Karpman

[heart of wales 19]

I have seen a very good one at work.. had ok stamina aswell..

 

when it was quiet at sea it swam round for over 45mins untill

it got took..

 

We Dont get a lot of Sharks around Mid Wales never seen the need to have a dog that will do one

 

Anyway back to the serious part of the thread why a Bedlington x Whippet

As I said earlier it depends on what You want a lurcher for Me personally I could take mine to a farm he would mark and kill rats as good as any terrier,same as with rabbits mark catch and retrieve,pre ban he took daylight and lamped hares as he did foxes,with the bigger stuff perhaps I would have been better with the Grey x but the smaller stuff the Whippet x every time,

both have their uses but if You are doing more rats and rabbits which is what I am doing horses for courses

[samstorm 34]

Mines a halfx 22tts, does all hes asked of

[Ideation 8,216]

While i agree with a lot of what you say with regard to size etc difference between beddyxgreys and beddyxwhippets and that the bigger dog will be a more versatile animal i find it interesting that no one has mentioned the practicalities of breeding. If your going to breed a first x beddy x litter its going to be hard enough to find a good working beddy let alone a good working grey on top, whereas there are plenty of folk working whippets and some very good whippets about, so it makes some sense that folk use whippets when they are trying to breed heart and balls through worker x worker matings. . . .

[beddycross 18]

You have obviously not seen a good Bedlington Whippet working

There are good and bad in every type of lurcher,The bedlington whippet would not be the cross I would choose for big open fields,however for smaller fields lots of cover and allround lurcher work ie rabbits hares foxes rats and game birds mine was dynamite,No they wouldnt be as good as a bigger lurcher consistently on lamping or coursing hares and foxes,however ferreting,lamping rabbits and general pest control work which is what I do You cannot find a better workmate.

Mine died over Twenty years ago and I have been trying to recreate something to live up to his standards,I started by buying a Dog whippet puppy out of a Champion coursing whippet.

I worked him for three seasons before giving him to a retired mate to do a bit of ferreting with,I would never have bred from him he didnt have enough heart when chasing quarry,my beddie cross would have gone through any cover after quarry as would my beddie bitch Jinx.I have just put her to a good whippet fingers crossed should have pups in 2011

Why I like Beddy crosses is Heart guts determination and prey drive they have it by the bucket load,anyone who has worked owned or seen them working would justify to that,many a time my dog would go after something and I would think he aint got a cat in hells chance of catching that,as if to prove me wrong he would come back with it in his mouth

The few I've seen work have been just as you described Huge cahoona's on them for sure

 

here here well said mine takes owt and loves doing it as does her brother and sister one of the most formidable team of three dogs i have ever seen

[baldockbanks courser 598]

While i agree with a lot of what you say with regard to size etc difference between beddyxgreys and beddyxwhippets and that the bigger dog will be a more versatile animal i find it interesting that no one has mentioned the practicalities of breeding. If your going to breed a first x beddy x litter its going to be hard enough to find a good working beddy let alone a good working grey on top, whereas there are plenty of folk working whippets and some very good whippets about, so it makes some sense that folk use whippets when they are trying to breed heart and balls through worker x worker matings. . . .

I see what your saying but the greyhounds the speed input.

sure they dont work as such but most track greyhonds are strong and game and if you got a hurdle dog thats a bit nasty and firey im sure hed over welm a dog fox with ease.

[Ideation 8,216]

While i agree with a lot of what you say with regard to size etc difference between beddyxgreys and beddyxwhippets and that the bigger dog will be a more versatile animal i find it interesting that no one has mentioned the practicalities of breeding. If your going to breed a first x beddy x litter its going to be hard enough to find a good working beddy let alone a good working grey on top, whereas there are plenty of folk working whippets and some very good whippets about, so it makes some sense that folk use whippets when they are trying to breed heart and balls through worker x worker matings. . . .

I see what your saying but the greyhounds the speed input.

sure they dont work as such but most track greyhonds are strong and game and if you got a hurdle dog thats a bit nasty and firey im sure hed over welm a dog fox with ease.

 

Thats a fair point. I suppose its like saying why do we have whippets when we have greys? They are two similar but different dogs and there are differences other than the size!

[beddyman 6]

having worked both whippet and bedlingtons and beddy/whippets for many years now .. in general a whippet crossed bedlington in whatever percentage is not as quick as a pure whippet fact ... you are diluting the whippet and loosing the take off speed most off the time . you do produce a better thicker skin but when it gets wet the dog feels the cold more as the jacket is so thin and holds the water .. i can also assure you you do not need to put bedlington into a whippet for fire . a good whippet has a lot more fire and gameness than a lot of people realise , just cause they are quiet trust me they can hold there own i have seen it even with charlie they can hold there own pre ban of coarse .. only downfall in a whippet i can see is it lacks height for spotting and weight for bigger game but unless you have had first hand experience in working whippets and i mean working them not keeping them as pet/workers then you will have your eyes opened if you get the chance to go out with someone who works them ... i also notice more vocal tendances in whippet / bedlingtons as they can lack the take off and get frustrated working rabbits in close procsimity

[fitchet 788]

While i agree with a lot of what you say with regard to size etc difference between beddyxgreys and beddyxwhippets and that the bigger dog will be a more versatile animal i find it interesting that no one has mentioned the practicalities of breeding. If your going to breed a first x beddy x litter its going to be hard enough to find a good working beddy let alone a good working grey on top, whereas there are plenty of folk working whippets and some very good whippets about, so it makes some sense that folk use whippets when they are trying to breed heart and balls through worker x worker matings. . . .

I see what your saying but the greyhounds the speed input.

sure they dont work as such but most track greyhonds are strong and game and if you got a hurdle dog thats a bit nasty and firey im sure hed over welm a dog fox with ease.

 

Thats a fair point. I suppose its like saying why do we have whippets when we have greys? They are two similar but different dogs and there are differences other than the size!

what differences in your opinion ?

[Ideation 8,216]

While i agree with a lot of what you say with regard to size etc difference between beddyxgreys and beddyxwhippets and that the bigger dog will be a more versatile animal i find it interesting that no one has mentioned the practicalities of breeding. If your going to breed a first x beddy x litter its going to be hard enough to find a good working beddy let alone a good working grey on top, whereas there are plenty of folk working whippets and some very good whippets about, so it makes some sense that folk use whippets when they are trying to breed heart and balls through worker x worker matings. . . .

I see what your saying but the greyhounds the speed input.

sure they dont work as such but most track greyhonds are strong and game and if you got a hurdle dog thats a bit nasty and firey im sure hed over welm a dog fox with ease.

 

Thats a fair point. I suppose its like saying why do we have whippets when we have greys? They are two similar but different dogs and there are differences other than the size!

what differences in your opinion ?

 

 

I honestly believe that the average working (i.e worked and from workers) whippet has more brains than a track or coursing grey. Whippets also have CRACKING noses,especially for a sight hound, maybe not so great for lamping but for daytime hunting they are spot on at finding game

 

On the size note - when it comes to ferreting or daytime cover work having a leggy terrier sized dog that cant go to ground, has decent coat, good nose, and a fair turn of speed, isn't a bad thing.

[fitchet 788]

While i agree with a lot of what you say with regard to size etc difference between beddyxgreys and beddyxwhippets and that the bigger dog will be a more versatile animal i find it interesting that no one has mentioned the practicalities of breeding. If your going to breed a first x beddy x litter its going to be hard enough to find a good working beddy let alone a good working grey on top, whereas there are plenty of folk working whippets and some very good whippets about, so it makes some sense that folk use whippets when they are trying to breed heart and balls through worker x worker matings. . . .

I see what your saying but the greyhounds the speed input.

sure they dont work as such but most track greyhonds are strong and game and if you got a hurdle dog thats a bit nasty and firey im sure hed over welm a dog fox with ease.

 

Thats a fair point. I suppose its like saying why do we have whippets when we have greys? They are two similar but different dogs and there are differences other than the size!

what differences in your opinion ?

 

 

I honestly believe that the average working (i.e worked and from workers) whippet has more brains than a track or coursing grey. Whippets also have CRACKING noses,especially for a sight hound, maybe not so great for lamping but for daytime hunting they are spot on at finding game

 

On the size note - when it comes to ferreting or daytime cover work having a leggy terrier sized dog that cant go to ground, has decent coat, good nose, and a fair turn of speed, isn't a bad thing.

but the only thing with the whippets ive been out with they cannot take the cold have a tendencie to yap and have skin like paper . . . . addingbedlington blood would sort aall of these problems out

[beddyman 6]

[quotebut the only thing with the whippets ive been out with they cannot take the cold have a tendencie to yap and have skin like paper . . . . addingbedlington blood would sort aall of these problems out

dont know what whippets you been out with but the ones i have worked and been out working with never yap unlike some beddy/whippets . yes they dont like the cold but still go out on the hill in the icey winds and do a nights or daytimes work no prob and when wet dry quicker with a quick towwel dry .. but yes the skin is quite thin and tears fairly easy but i have never in all my years had any probs with toe injury or serious knocks and they are worked in all conditions hail rain sleet snow and ice all year round

Edited December 21, 2010 by beddyman

[beddyman 6]

so answer to your post is there is no point other than a visual point as a whippet has a nose second to none . fastest breed in the take off . very intelligent . will work till it drops and very loyal .bags of gameness and quiet as a mouse . takes up little room and very little if any grooming . less injury prone . eats less than most lurchers or full breed running dogs and have very steady natures with no known illnesses ...... just they dont get the credit they deserve because they are not macho enough for most folk

Edited December 21, 2010 by beddyman