lofti 579 Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 at the start of last season i had a 3ry old dog on trail for 1 1/2 months the owner was dogged out at the time with my other two lurchers laid up with bad injuries and not knowing when they would recover i needed something to run as it was start of the season the dog a 3/8 5/8 bullx caught me plenty of game, worked well and got on with my other dogs the only problem i had was i could`nt bond with the dog and it wasnt through lack of trying, the dog went back to its original owner ,and i looked out for an older pup that i could bring on myself. i found a 10 month salukigreycolliewhip for sale on here she really caught my eye,so i went for it i trained her from scratch she was`nt even sitting on command when i got her im very happy with the bitch and have a very good bond with her and she dose well in the feild personaly i think i need to bring a dog on and train it myself to then form the bond with the animal, then will come the hunting partnership and the satisfaction. think its each to there own I'm a sucker for pups I like the idea of training and entering and having the dog from 6-8weeks and watching it grow and learn. As I said I dont think you get that with an older dog. I'm sure that there are genuine guys out there who pass on dogs for legit reasons but given the time and effort you need to put into a dog training wise then bringing it on what price do put on that. 9 outa 10 times someone passing on a full grown dog is doing it for a reason and its not always a good one Quote Link to post
Gerry48 10 Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 Cant comment on a lot of your post about bringing on pups, as ive only realy started out with the hunting side of things, although been around the sport since being a todler. But having had both dogs from the second they was born, to having a couple come to me as adults i dont see any difference between the bond or anything else, everyone of my dogs i know there quirks and habits, i know what what all my dogs can do and what they cant - to get a bond from any dog you have to have trust and earn it, with some dogs it comes naturaly some dogs it dosent - ive seen quite a few posts, from people who have done something wrong and lost that trust with there dogs, most are from owners who have had the dogs from pups, done something wrong and the dog wont go near them so they have to build that relationship back up. The old saying of you cant teach an old dog new tricks well you can. My last outing ferreting, i took the little beagle x that belongs to my brother, to hopefuly start her off bushing, to say this dog only came to him at a year old - never been round ferrets, started her life off in the pound, has had at least 2 other owners she worked like a trooper, never once did anything to the ferrets, picked up marking realy well and will flush - now when you take her out nose is to the ground and she works the fields and bush's, she never once go's out of sight and recalls the second you call her - she will go were ever i ask, not bad for a dog that was labled a problem and was dummped on me. Quote Link to post
Gerry48 10 Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 Cant comment on a lot of your post about bringing on pups, as ive only realy started out with the hunting side of things, although been around the sport since being a todler. But having had both dogs from the second they was born, to having a couple come to me as adults i dont see any difference between the bond or anything else, everyone of my dogs i know there quirks and habits, i know what what all my dogs can do and what they cant - to get a bond from any dog you have to have trust and earn it, with some dogs it comes naturaly some dogs it dosent - ive seen quite a few posts, from people who have done something wrong and lost that trust with there dogs, most are from owners who have had the dogs from pups, done something wrong and the dog wont go near them so they have to build that relationship back up. The old saying of you cant teach an old dog new tricks well you can. My last outing ferreting, i took the little beagle x that belongs to my brother, to hopefuly start her off bushing, to say this dog only came to him at a year old - never been round ferrets, started her life off in the pound, has had at least 2 other owners she worked like a trooper, never once did anything to the ferrets, picked up marking realy well and will flush - now when you take her out nose is to the ground and she works the fields and bush's, she never once go's out of sight and recalls the second you call her - she will go were ever i ask, not bad for a dog that was labled a problem and was dummped on me. Quote Link to post
Gerry48 10 Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 Yes ok so you had one or two older dogs that turned out ok, but what about the hundreds of others, what are you trying to say that all rescue dogs will make good working dogs, i dont think so mate, thats why most are there in the first place, thy never made the graed. Quote Link to post
Guest chook Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 Yes ok so you had one or two older dogs that turned out ok, but what about the hundreds of others, what are you trying to say that all rescue dogs will make good working dogs, i dont think so mate, thats why most are there in the first place, thy never made the graed. Didnt say that - no not all would make the grade, but there are some that would a lot of dogs that have come in to rescue, its quite apparent at some point in there lifes they have been worked, and probably dummped - unless the dog is given a chance by someone how would anyone know if it would make the grade or not, you cant even say that with a pup, you can go out and buy a pup and it still may never make the grade. My origanal comment was about the bond that there is between owner and dog, in that it can be just as easy to gain that bond, without having to raise it from a pup - like people quite often we meet people and we click with them, some we dont its no different with a dog, theres some dogs ive never got on with - just simpley didnt like the dog and some the bond is unbrakeable. Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 I took on a yearling about this time last year. At the time things were pretty bleak dog wise, i'd lost a very promising young bitch and had just about written my old dog off as I carried on lamping him with one eye. With nothing to walk, nevermind run and six months previous moving to a countryside location, i was offered, off a friend, a decent youngster, free, with a very genuine reason for the offer and it wasn't out of any sympathy for me! I took him on, and to be honest.. he's an honest dog, done all I've asked and carried me through.. BUT he ain't mine.. Whenever I've raised a pup it's been brought on as i've wanted, the little things, through training, that suit me come almost natural as I've reared and entered my dogs and even if I can get them in this one, it's still different. So at this min I'm considering a pup, missed out on some good un's over the past year and finding the right one now... a very scary thought!!!!! Quote Link to post
undisputed 1,664 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I took on a yearling about this time last year. At the time things were pretty bleak dog wise, i'd lost a very promising young bitch and had just about written my old dog off as I carried on lamping him with one eye. With nothing to walk, nevermind run and six months previous moving to a countryside location, i was offered, off a friend, a decent youngster, free, with a very genuine reason for the offer and it wasn't out of any sympathy for me! I took him on, and to be honest.. he's an honest dog, done all I've asked and carried me through.. BUT he ain't mine.. Whenever I've raised a pup it's been brought on as i've wanted, the little things, through training, that suit me come almost natural as I've reared and entered my dogs and even if I can get them in this one, it's still different. So at this min I'm considering a pup, missed out on some good un's over the past year and finding the right one now... a very scary thought!!!!! Aye mate it can be a scary thought starting from scratch but well worth the time and effort in the end. Good luck in your search. Quote Link to post
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