fat lads pups

[moggy rock 22]

hi lads,,is there anyone on here who bought one of fatlads lurcher pup,s of ere,,this is a picture of them about 3 to 4 months ago....http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/166645-last-3-pups/ http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/164685-lurcher-pups/ well this is the story,,i bought one of them,,the bottom one on the right hand side i reckon,,any way got it picked up by courier ,,the first thing it did when the wife bought it in the house is piss every were as soon as she put it down,,i didnt think oat of it at the time as pups do this,,,4 month on its still doing the same,,i carnt let it in the house cos it just floods out with piss,,so i bought a run £275 and a new kennel,,its been wormed every month by the vet and injected,,you only have to look at it and it crouches down and lets rip,,im realy gutted as ive waisted alot of money plus 4 month on it,,anyone would of thought if they see it ive hit her but i swear on my kids lives i havent laid ONW finger on her,,ive tried every thing i can to stop it,,even the vet doesnt no whats wrong,,im on the verge of getting rid of her and starting all over again,,which i didnt realy wont to,,ive contacted the breeder of my pup today about this but he said he doesnt no whats wrong,,but what else can he realy say,,theres no chance i would be abale to sell her on cos im only passing my problms on ,,shame to have her put down at 6 month old,,peeps would call me a right wicked wanker not knowing my circum stances... i tried taking her to the beach a couple of days ago like a bit of time on ur own were no other peeps or dogs was,,after travling 10 miles i couldnt even take her out the car as she started to piss every were,,to me it seems like she,s terrified,,not from me thou...any help or advice would be helpfull,,ive had lurchers on and of for 30 years but never had this before....thanks.....

[terrierjohn 49]

maybe the courier has done something to it on the journey to you or maybe whatever it was transported in wasnt tied down properly and was skidding all over tha back of the van and its got the dog scared shiitless

[KittleRox 2,147]

hard to give answers without seeing the pup mate but sounds like its had a bad experience its never forgot,although it could be just in its nature,the way you describe it I think its the former or maybe a bit of both,seems like the best way forward is to start socialising the pup,gently at first though.Is there any decent dogmen near you who could give you advice?

[littlefish 585]

Do you have any other dogs that it mixes with or take it out anywhere to meet other dogs and situations? Maybe you need to boost its confidence a bit?

[leegreen 2,153]

You say she pissed as soon as you went to take it out the van, why would you not just take it out the van and let it piss on the floor, I mean how much piss can it do?

[psm 43]

penning it out side isnt going to help matter mate it needs alot of attention and praise and needs socailising more with you and others,it sounds like you might have got runt of litter and maybe been bullied alot in penn - shed,

Edited December 16, 2010 by psm

[moggy rock 22]

thanks lads for the adsvice,,very helpfull to me,,some of them i read look very good,,ive got a big dog cage in the shed,ile get it out and try her in the house for a month or so,,thanks again,,,mark...

[fatlad 250]

ive spoken to the owners of the pups sold locally and there all really forward pups

ive sent bushewacker a pm asking about his pup i tried to get in touch with scotthunter

about his pup but his inbox is full,im gutted for you that shes turned out so nervous

like i said she was fine when she was picked up but she was with her litter mates so she

might of been bolder with them . the mother was quite shy as a pup for about a week but i

had to pick her up at 5 weeks old as her mother was going for the pups but shes always been

greedy so i just used food to get her trust she came out of her shell after that now shes

like a shadow hope things work out with her

[moggy rock 22]

ive spoken to the owners of the pups sold locally and there all really forward pups

ive sent bushewacker a pm asking about his pup i tried to get in touch with scotthunter

about his pup but his inbox is full,im gutted for you that shes turned out so nervous

like i said she was fine when she was picked up but she was with her litter mates so she

might of been bolder with them . the mother was quite shy as a pup for about a week but i

had to pick her up at 5 weeks old as her mother was going for the pups but shes always been

greedy so i just used food to get her trust she came out of her shell after that now shes

like a shadow hope things work out with her

thanks rich mate..yer i hope i can get a bond with her,, but at the mo she doesnt seem to like anyone for some reason,,i love the little fecker so much,,i hope she repys me for it,,atb mark...

[moggy rock 22]

The poor wee thing sounds to be of a nervy disposition...

 

At six months of age,..one would of expected you guys to have bonded...and to have become real good mates...

It is ALWAYS a risk bringing a young pup home, but you have to make it feel SECURE and SAFE, or it will simply retreat into its own world of fear...

 

Remember,.the one thing that even the most clever and intelligent dog CAN NOT do,..is REASON...

Dogs do not have that ability...

 

It cannot ask the question WHY, and obviously,cannot find any answers either

 

Imagine being shit scared of something,.(anything),.and never knowing WHY ?

 

Fecking terrible, eh...

 

SO,.you have to make a choice,..(and, I say this to you. for the dog's sake)...

 

Take this youngster EVERYWHERE with you,..and keep her close to you, whenever you can.

 

Give her the protection she craves, and hopefully she will gain some courage and confidence..

 

OR,..get rid of her to someone who can handle such a sensitive soul..

 

I wish you good luck with her...

 

thankyou for your reply,,brilliant advice that mate,,thanks again,,,mark....

[Hannah4181 260]

A nervous dog can be a nightamare. As has been suggested you need to decide if you want to take on the long and consuming task of trying to bring her round, OR if you don't feel confident or committed to do so, then PLEASE find her a nurtering home that will. IF you decide to keep her on, then you need to be prepared as Chalkwarren has said to put the time in.

 

 

DO NOT . . AND I REPEAT DO NOT . . . tell her off for urinating in the house. From what you describe thsi has nothing to do with bad house training its a product of her immense fear . . . . If you tell her off, she WILL get worse.

 

 

A very simple method . . . . Lay on the floor in the same room as the pup, call her and just lay still, and let her come to you, lots of praise and treats when she does and don't try to pick her up or get overly loud or rough . . . just let her be. You need her to trust you and feel completely secure when your around, TIME is the key, cuddles and keeping her with you, praise and treats, playing, i personally would let it sleep with me too . . . . . maybe too much for some, but i always always allow new pups 3 night in bed with me, i find it secures an instant bond and nails the house training. Again personal choice.

 

You also need to get your wife and children to understand that she is not a normal bouncy puppy, they too need to play their part in maintaining a calm and safe environment.

 

You also need to bare in mind that if the pup comes right for you , there is a good chance of her remaining a very sensitive and nervous dog with strangers and new situations . . . .. SO if you have any thoughts of moving her on do it now before you allow her to bond with you and then throw her right back to square one by re homing her. :cry:

 

All the very best of luck with her, please keep us updated.

[natter79 17]

I had a similar situation myself mate, although the issue for me was the pup wouldn't leave the house,

 

i would get my gear together to take the terrier and PUP for a walk and the dog's would be bouncing around all over UNTIL i opened the gate and then the pup would just collapse into a shakin wreck! well this took almost 3 days of gentle coaxing just to get the dog out of the gate, it then took me a whole week to get the pup 6ft away from the gate.

 

all in all it took nearly a month to get the dog to walk to some local fields..................anyway the moral of the story with a nervous dog is TIME and PATIENCE,

 

the pup is now 2 and a big solid day/night dog who is totally fearless (i've created a monster)

 

anyway

 

goodluck

 

 

atb natter

[moggy rock 22]

A nervous dog can be a nightamare. As has been suggested you need to decide if you want to take on the long and consuming task of trying to bring her round, OR if you don't feel confident or committed to do so, then PLEASE find her a nurtering home that will. IF you decide to keep her on, then you need to be prepared as Chalkwarren has said to put the time in.

 

 

DO NOT . . AND I REPEAT DO NOT . . . tell her off for urinating in the house. From what you describe thsi has nothing to do with bad house training its a product of her immense fear . . . . If you tell her off, she WILL get worse.

 

 

A very simple method . . . . Lay on the floor in the same room as the pup, call her and just lay still, and let her come to you, lots of praise and treats when she does and don't try to pick her up or get overly loud or rough . . . just let her be. You need her to trust you and feel completely secure when your around, TIME is the key, cuddles and keeping her with you, praise and treats, playing, i personally would let it sleep with me too . . . . . maybe too much for some, but i always always allow new pups 3 night in bed with me, i find it secures an instant bond and nails the house training. Again personal choice.

 

You also need to get your wife and children to understand that she is not a normal bouncy puppy, they too need to play their part in maintaining a calm and safe environment.

 

You also need to bare in mind that if the pup comes right for you , there is a good chance of her remaining a very sensitive and nervous dog with strangers and new situations . . . .. SO if you have any thoughts of moving her on do it now before you allow her to bond with you and then throw her right back to square one by re homing her. :cry:

 

All the very best of luck with her, please keep us updated.

YES SOME MORE BRILLIANT ADVICE THERE,,THANKYOU,,IVE HAD HER IN THE HOUSE MOST OF TODAY,,SHE AS BEEN LAID ON THE SETTE,,FEET UP IN THE AIR,,LOVING THE WARM FIRE,,I HAVE BEEN SAT ON A COLD FLOOR BUT ITS WORKING TOUCH WOOD,,SHE NEVER WEED ONCE IN THE HOUSE TODAY,,BRILL,,SO THATS A GREAT START ALL READY..I DONT NO WHAT THE MISSES WOULD THINK IF I LET HER SLEEP ON OUR BED,,THEN AGAIN A GOOD IDEA AS SHE,S LOADS BETTER LOOKING THAN MY MISSES ,,JUST OF TO THE SHOP THEM I WILL BRING HER IN FOR A FEW MORE HOURS COS ITS BLOODY FREEZING OUT THERE,,BLESS HER... :sick: :sick: ATB,,AND THANKS AGAIN...MARK...

[moggy rock 22]

I had a similar situation myself mate, although the issue for me was the pup wouldn't leave the house,

 

i would get my gear together to take the terrier and PUP for a walk and the dog's would be bouncing around all over UNTIL i opened the gate and then the pup would just collapse into a shakin wreck! well this took almost 3 days of gentle coaxing just to get the dog out of the gate, it then took me a whole week to get the pup 6ft away from the gate.

 

all in all it took nearly a month to get the dog to walk to some local fields..................anyway the moral of the story with a nervous dog is TIME and PATIENCE,

 

the pup is now 2 and a big solid day/night dog who is totally fearless (i've created a monster)

 

anyway

 

goodluck

 

 

atb natter

nice one natter mate,,im glad it turned out good for you in the end,,its funny you should mention about your pup not wanting to leave the back garden mate as this is the same,,it wags its tail when im putting her lead on but when i get to the front door its front feet dig in the carpet and it puts the brakes on,then starts dribbling near the front door,,scared of the outside world for some reason,,but i will take you,s lads and lasses advice and be very paitant,,its just that i wanted to start training her to retrieve after watching purdies progress the other night..but her nerves are stopping it from happning,,,atb..mark...

[KittleRox 2,147]

A nervous dog can be a nightamare. As has been suggested you need to decide if you want to take on the long and consuming task of trying to bring her round, OR if you don't feel confident or committed to do so, then PLEASE find her a nurtering home that will. IF you decide to keep her on, then you need to be prepared as Chalkwarren has said to put the time in.

 

 

DO NOT . . AND I REPEAT DO NOT . . . tell her off for urinating in the house. From what you describe thsi has nothing to do with bad house training its a product of her immense fear . . . . If you tell her off, she WILL get worse.

 

 

A very simple method . . . . Lay on the floor in the same room as the pup, call her and just lay still, and let her come to you, lots of praise and treats when she does and don't try to pick her up or get overly loud or rough . . . just let her be. You need her to trust you and feel completely secure when your around, TIME is the key, cuddles and keeping her with you, praise and treats, playing, i personally would let it sleep with me too . . . . . maybe too much for some, but i always always allow new pups 3 night in bed with me, i find it secures an instant bond and nails the house training. Again personal choice.

 

You also need to get your wife and children to understand that she is not a normal bouncy puppy, they too need to play their part in maintaining a calm and safe environment.

 

You also need to bare in mind that if the pup comes right for you , there is a good chance of her remaining a very sensitive and nervous dog with strangers and new situations . . . .. SO if you have any thoughts of moving her on do it now before you allow her to bond with you and then throw her right back to square one by re homing her. :cry:

 

All the very best of luck with her, please keep us updated.

YES SOME MORE BRILLIANT ADVICE THERE,,THANKYOU,,IVE HAD HER IN THE HOUSE MOST OF TODAY,,SHE AS BEEN LAID ON THE SETTE,,FEET UP IN THE AIR,,LOVING THE WARM FIRE,,I HAVE BEEN SAT ON A COLD FLOOR BUT ITS WORKING TOUCH WOOD,,SHE NEVER WEED ONCE IN THE HOUSE TODAY,,BRILL,,SO THATS A GREAT START ALL READY..I DONT NO WHAT THE MISSES WOULD THINK IF I LET HER SLEEP ON OUR BED,,THEN AGAIN A GOOD IDEA AS SHE,S LOADS BETTER LOOKING THAN MY MISSES ,,JUST OF TO THE SHOP THEM I WILL BRING HER IN FOR A FEW MORE HOURS COS ITS BLOODY FREEZING OUT THERE,,BLESS HER... :sick: :sick: ATB,,AND THANKS AGAIN...MARK...

Its a start mate,atb