Wheatens

[Pumper dog 0]

How big is that Wheaten dog staffy 1, and what are the pups shaping up like size temprement etc is it from genuine workign lines, any info would be appreciated mate, this is a cross I'm also interested in but it was also interesting to hear JD'd comments in EDRD about how fashionable they are becoming. Are people just jumping on the band wagon or is there genuine stuff about?

[Tarmac 1]

I was out with the lad who owns the weaton 'staffy-1' posted about on thursday night,

I had a look at 3 pups he has kept back bred down from that weaton, and boy, do they look smart...

We took the biggest dog out with us for a shine along with my dog and a mates bull x hoping to educate him a little. Although we didn't catch.

But the pups are shaping up nicely...

I know some of the litter went down london way, some to kendal and one over bridlington way. All the fellas who got them are highly impressed...

 

But from what i have seen from weaton/greyhounds, they have impressed me,taking all quarry with no fuss and think my next running dog will be influenced with weaton blood.

[staffy-1 0]

Alright tarmac, marc went out the other day and caught a few rabbits on the lamp with them, he tells me there plenty fast enough but just the timing of the strike they need. I also think the dogs have come out really well and 'would' of maded good foxing dogs. The wheaton comes from tom parr lines and is a fantastic dog, i think tarmac as seen him work....if he has im sure he will agree with what i say. Although he will be out for a few weeks now as he cut his self real bad just above the stopper bad on glass whilst out the other day, he was pissing out blood at first but from what iv herd hes fine now.

staffy-1

p.s should have pictures at weekend

Edited January 9, 2007 by staffy-1

[Pumper dog 0]

Alright tarmac, marc went out the other day and caught a few rabbits on the lamp with them, he tells me there plenty fast enough but just the timing of the strike they need. I also think the dogs have come out really well and 'would' of maded good foxing dogs. The wheaton comes from tom parr lines and is a fantastic dog, i think tarmac as seen him work....if he has im sure he will agree with what i say. Although he will be out for a few weeks now as he cut his self real bad just above the stopper bad on glass whilst out the other day, he was pissing out blood at first but from what iv herd hes fine now.

staffy-1

p.s should have pictures at weekend

 

Thanks for the reply staffy 1, when you say the dogs turned out well, does that mean the bitches have thrown lighter, not as big etc. Would they have made inferior fox dogs compared to the dog pups, guess what I'm trying to get at is, is there a large difference in size between the dogs and bitches out of teh same litter?

 

All the best

[staffy-1 0]

sorry mate, i ment the term dogs as in both sexes. Sorry to get you confused, well out of the three my mate has two dogs and a bitch he kept back. The two dogs are big strong dogs, but the bitch at the moment is about an inch smaller than the other two, i will get some pictures for you so you should be able to see better.

 

heres the mother to the pups obviously in pup

Edited January 10, 2007 by staffy-1

[J Darcy 5,871]

I have seen a few very good wheaten lurchers...and quite a few straight wheatens too.... the wheaten lurchers have been decent, only one was shit and that was bought out of the paper so it may not have been what they said it was. it seems this breed of dog is the next "in thing" i only hope the wankers dont get hold of them and start breeding pup after pup for money.. they will end up just like many bull crosses.....shit.! .

 

up the workers.....f**k the money men.......

[Stabs 3]

Been hoping this wouldn't happened for years. I saw the writing on the wall with the pure wheatens at Reid do's years ago. There was this interest on the edge of the stafford circle in strong terriers such the wheaten and the Kerry. It's a fashion thing, it's got to be cos' most of them never worked their staffords so why would they want anything else? It was all about "owning" the type, with the best ped etc etc...that was a goal in itself rather than a starting point. Looks like the wheaten cross is going the way you thought and spelled out in your article. When people asked me what Meg was I used to say Airedale cross

 

The boys with the real gear keep it amongst themselves thankfully

[Pumper dog 0]

I note your comments JD and stabs and I agree with your sentiments 100% but thats not to say people are not able to have an interest in the breed. I am curious as I've heard a few fella's that have seen these dogs work comment on how good a well bred wheaten x can be! I'm interested in them as a versatile cross. I have two friends with lurchers that have 1/4 wheaten in them and it really shines through which leads me to believe the wheaten blood in them is from the right stock, they are both bright intelligent dogs with a lot of drive!. The only way somebody such as myself is going to learn, pick out the rubbish and hopefully end up with the right stuff is by asking as many questions as I can to as many people as I can. And I can assure you that last thing I want to see is any strain of working lurcher become a fashion accesory. I put it to you that at present the wheaten crosses are more popular than ever, meaning obviously there are more litters being bred, but could it be these litters ARE being bred from the right stuff and maybe your thinking the worst with regards their future. Its inevitable wank@*rs will get hold of them. Not trying to cause any arguements just an interestign discussion.

 

All the best

[Guest oldskool]

i remember seeing a post about straight wheatons on here or maybe it was smoochers??... alot of them seem to have a touch of bull fairly recent in there ancestry???? some of them were real mighty lookin dogs, i dont think they were any the worst for it!!! just an observation

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

IMO As far as I know there is some of the best working Wheatons about kenneled here in Ireland, as far back as I can remember which is'nt realy that long ago :whistle: guys here have kept Wheatons and Wheaton x lurchers. On large quarry you'll have difficulty finding a better dog I know the Bull x lads would have a bit to say on that, but it's just my opinion, the only down side I ever observed and this is only an opinion not gospel was that the wheaton lurchers I seen working tended to be a bit hard mouthed on smaller quarry.Apart from that they seemed to be a first class dog and it would be a travesty if the right dogs fell into the wrong hands.

[Stabs 3]

Eammon...my lurcher had a very soft mouth with birds...look at the pics in that old article above.

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

I don't dispute that Stabs mate, any I seen work were first and foremost draw dogs, maybe this contributed to them being hardmouthed, I can't comment on the cross as a whole I ain't no expert I've never owned 1 but have had the pleasure of seeing many of them do what they were bred for. As i say 100% dogs on all quarry 110% on the bigger stuff.JMO.

[Rebel 833]

I would agree with most of what has been said here about the Wheaten and with what Eamonn Mc said.

 

I have never owned a wheaten but I saw wheatens working. The ones that I saw were all from the same breeding, kept by a man who at the time worked them very hard and only kept and bred from those that did the job right. They were excellent at their job and were some animals. I wouldn't mind a few of those dogs in my yard now. The dogs could get to a fairly big size, wouldn't know the exact measurement. I think with a lot of the working wheatens there is a bit of bull blood (I was always under the impression that a bit of English Bull was used) in them at some stage, but I'd say it could be going back a good few generations(60s - 70s) - I could be wrong this is only my own observation and from what I heard and may not apply to all wheatens.

 

There are a few posts on this and other websites with wheatens and a few of the Northern Ireland lads have dogs that most would love to have in their yard.

 

In my opinion a wheaten from the proper breeding would be a good cross for anyone.

 

But as has been said in the other posts I wouldn't like to see them becoming a fashion item and mass produced by puppy farmers.

 

Rebel

[Guest oldskool]

in reply to rebels sentance about eng bull....

 

i dont want to offend anybody with a good working englishbull but i think, from what i have read on here, alot of people dont think much of the english bull as a working dog so why they would want to cross them into wheatons is a bit strange??? about 2 years ago there was an ad in the buy and sell for english bull x wheaton pups... about a year later they were back in the paper again at various stages '12 month old wheaton x englishbull for sale'...

[Stabs 3]

Good post Taff