Wheatens

[Pumper dog 0]

some excellent replys fella's and from I can gather everybody is singing from the same him sheet. What I was trying to get across was that even though they may increase in popularity its not necesarrily for the worse if they are kept by lads who know how to treat/work them and I would like to think that the amount of genuine lads in the game outways the bad, but thats another story!! Like someone has said if they know what they've got and only allow suitable people access to breeding then it can't be all bad.

 

Stabs your article on the bitch you owned has spurred my interest even more, as she was obviously used on different types of quarry and looked to be working well doing things people wouldn't usually associate with a wheaten cross i.e. retrieving shot game etc.

 

I'd just like to say that I'm enjoying the thread and am reading with interest what everybody has to say.

[Rebel 833]

Oldskool,

 

In reply to your post, and as you said no offence to the English Bull, but I'd say the English Bull from the 60s and 70s was a different animal to the ones of today, there was probably still working strains back then.

 

As I said in my post it was purely an observation and based on the particular strain that I was familar with. It wasn't meant as a generalisation. Any bull that was introudced would have beed done a long long time ago and would be very diluted.

 

I'm sure there are plenty of other guys on here who would know more and would be better qualified than me to commet on the wheaten.

 

Good topic, and hopefully a few lads who know more about the breed can add to it. It would be good to see pics if anyone had them.

 

Rebel

[staffy-1 0]

Well lads i can't really add to the conversation your all haveing, all i can say is, i only have limited knowledge of wheatons, but from this dog of my friends i can see that he is from good lines and is a real good worker. Iv got plenty of pictures of the dog in action but its a shame i can't post them on here anymore.

I am just asking some advice of the breeding of my mates Wheaten with my staff.... if i do ever breed them it will be in a few years time because this is her first real season at 3 years old. Due to i only got her at 12 months from a rehoming kennels and wasn't intended in working her but shes a real machine from what i have seen of her so far, but time will tell if she makes the grade. So does anyone know of any wheaten x staffs and if they have much use in the field. Not for a digging dog of course but well..... drawing etc.

Here are pictures of the two

 

 

 

 

any info would be appreciated

staffy-1

Edited January 11, 2007 by staffy-1

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

Nice pics mate any breeding would have to be carefully considered but at the end of the day it's up to yourself if you breed. Here's what happens to working dogs in the wrong hands though.!!!!

[staffy-1 0]

The twats have spoiled a nice dog there

staffy-1

[Tarmac 1]

Personally mate i wouldn't breed them together,

[Shamo 319]

I don't want to piss on anyones fire here, BUT one of the Dogs to trial and qualify in Eire was a Dog named 'Red Hand of Ulster' and he was an English Bull Terrier. He was used extensively over the so called 'pure' Wheatons back then. This would have been the 70's. If anyone has any Wheaton blood and you go back far enough you will see this Dog in the Ped somewhere. There were some purists back then, but a best to best phylosophy was how most looked at it when breeding. The only advantage a Wheaton cross has over a Bull cross is the Coat and they can be real 'linty' sometimes. I am assuming that quality dogs are being used for both crosses.

A mate has some Wheaton blood down from 'Border Bruce' 9 out of 9 and 'Border Bess' 18 out of 18. Breeding isn't just a question of putting two Dogs together, it all depends if the blood clicks. I know someone who put a real good 'proven' Bull Bitch to a real good Russell dog......Litter were lemons.

[Stabs 3]

Bolios posts here shed some light on the EBT's used

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...pic=17492&st=30

[Great White Hunter 78]

At the game fair at Moria two years ago i saw what looked like a hairy English Bull terrier strong looking animal . Dont know the breeding but might have been the wheaton EBT cross . anybody else see or know the dog He had brindle markings

[chris hickling 14]

these are all wheaten crosses,the smooth bitch is 3/4 greyhound 1/4 wheaten

these dogs all like the sharp end ,will take some up 2 date photo and put them up

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[Guest grubygrafter]

ozzy first cross. the wheaten was an irish import. parr lines. i'm told. he,s a whippet cross and is coming along well he works with ferrets . works the lamp works daytime hunting up working cover etc. works well with terriers. he is very hard mouthed with everything but i dont mind that his coat is good his feet are good

this dog has a massive prey drive and would drag his bellend across a field of broken glass to get to his quarry. and when out as a gundog for finding shot or wounded foxes he is becomeing a handfull. but i blame that on a lack of work when he gets more i'm sure he will settle. ozzy was the bulkiest pup in the litter and could do with an extra gear but if you gain at one end you lose at the other so i am happy with what i have got.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

stabs your fondness for your dog shines out of your posts.

[mattyg 1,862]

murphy aged 7months.....sire 1st x wheaten, dam wippxgrey from duraham way both proven in their chosen proffesions

 

 

Edited January 11, 2007 by mattyg

[Shamo 319]

What most seem to forget is that Wheatons were NOT GAME! They just weren't aloud to make a noise and the ones which qualified didn't make a noise, simple as that. There are many accounts where they were put against Bulls and came up second best. Even in the Trials some Bulls would fail, because they do not always 'work' mute.

I am bordering on having to have this post moderated, BUT the Trials cannot be compared to anything a Pitbull used to have to do. Wheaton in grab hold and draw, what are we talking time wise?...not much. Usually these Wheatons were not small either. Now we look at the Pitbull, matched lb for lb and this conflict could and has gone on for well over 2 hours. Noise has sometimes been made yes, but Gameness isn't always about making a noise it is about the will to carry on when the chips are down.

I personal think a Wheaton cannot compare to a true game bred Bull....I am very biase though. As I said the only advantage over a Bull x is the Coat.

[dobby 1]

Meg was a first cross.....terrible jacket, like a bedlington cross

 

http://thehuntinglife.com/html/sections/ar...ute-to-meg.html

 

what a read with a sad ending sent a chill down me when i read the last bit

 

all the best

 

dobby

[whippetlady 0]

this is Pepper, my hubbys wheaton x 3/4 whippet 1/4greyhound,also litter sister to Ozzy.she only made 19",but as game as anything bigger and an immense prey drive to match and her sire was a Tom Parr line bred dog.

 

 

 

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this is Megan,our 3/4 greyhound 1/4 wheaton pup at 14 weeks old.she also has all the right stuff in her so cant wait for her to get up a bit and have some fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sorry made a mess of that one

here is a pic of Pepper!