Mike brown whippets?

[Leeview 791]

Your not wrong there are plenty of other lines out there doing there job day in day out, one of the best I"ve seen is show bred through and through and is in fact the sire to a litter I recently bred.

However the original poster asked specifically about MB bred dogs and I at least have tried to answer him based on my own experience of owning one of the said dogs.

I truly find her to be a honest capable dog carrying out the tasks that ANY whippet should be able to and am more than satisfied with her abilities or I wouldn"t have bred from her,one of the pups is staying here and will be tested the rest have all gone to working homes and I"m sure will be tested,so only time will tell.

 

MB/sooty sam a very emotive subject as has been proven yet again by this thread and unfortunately personal vendettas seem to come to the fore some with MB and some between forum members.

The original poster must be feeling more confused than when he asked his original question and still wont have a clear answer to his question.

 

Good Man I hope you have been able to glean something from amongst this thread though I suspect you probably gave up some time ago and who could blame you.

Theres no wonder THL has the reputation it has when you read through threads like this and is the reason I dont participate too frequently on this site along with many other far more knowledgable people.

 

Your ss bred bitch I see your delighted with her and used your mates show bred dog as stud if I'm reading your posts right? How do you rate your bitch against this show bred stud? Workwise

Y.I.S Leeview

 

They both work well using there noses well,both will face cover,both retrieve,both ferret and both have very good stamina and yes I can see where your attempting to go with this.

As you will see I started my post with saying there are plenty of other lines that will work admirably (and there are some that wont)

I also suspect that as with most dogs the owner/trainer has a lot to do with it but a whippet should be a whippet whatever its heritage.

My reasons for using this dog where not only based on his efforts in the field but to maintain confirmation and also to attempt to keep the size down as I feel its important that we dont lose sight of the kc standard.

 

MB has cornered a niche in the market and all power to his elbow I suspect there are a lot partcipating in this thread who wish they could have done the same and are attempting to derail him purely out of jealousy or personal vendetta.

The crux of it is that there are plenty of supporters of the MB line and dont doubt that will continue and there will also be those who would wish to knock him.

Again this post was started with a genuine question but almost immediately it was hijacked by folk wanting to make more of it and to continue with there personal vendettas, the original poster has also stated that he has been able to come to something of a decision no thanks to the majority of posters and still there are those attempting to drag it on using it as a soapbox.

It wouldn"t be so bad if most of you came out and said what your really trying to say instead of using inuendo and attempting to be clever.

Thanks for your prompt honest answer I take it we agree then that other whippets can and do work?

 

OK now this "niche" mb cornered his first ever whippet was ss, followed by a gorwynne bitch both born in 1991(19yrs ago not as has been mentioned 25yrs ago) these 2 were ordinary common every day whippets no more no less and mb coined the working whippet based on these 2's off spring and a dynasty was founded

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

 

But some good marketing and continual threads all over the internet like this only help to further promote and perpetuate the line

 

as I said earlier in this post "the kings new clothes" come to mind its got to be good mb bred it

Y.I.S Leeview

[Ideation 8,216]

Your not wrong there are plenty of other lines out there doing there job day in day out, one of the best I"ve seen is show bred through and through and is in fact the sire to a litter I recently bred.

However the original poster asked specifically about MB bred dogs and I at least have tried to answer him based on my own experience of owning one of the said dogs.

I truly find her to be a honest capable dog carrying out the tasks that ANY whippet should be able to and am more than satisfied with her abilities or I wouldn"t have bred from her,one of the pups is staying here and will be tested the rest have all gone to working homes and I"m sure will be tested,so only time will tell.

 

MB/sooty sam a very emotive subject as has been proven yet again by this thread and unfortunately personal vendettas seem to come to the fore some with MB and some between forum members.

The original poster must be feeling more confused than when he asked his original question and still wont have a clear answer to his question.

 

Good Man I hope you have been able to glean something from amongst this thread though I suspect you probably gave up some time ago and who could blame you.

Theres no wonder THL has the reputation it has when you read through threads like this and is the reason I dont participate too frequently on this site along with many other far more knowledgable people.

 

Your ss bred bitch I see your delighted with her and used your mates show bred dog as stud if I'm reading your posts right? How do you rate your bitch against this show bred stud? Workwise

Y.I.S Leeview

 

They both work well using there noses well,both will face cover,both retrieve,both ferret and both have very good stamina and yes I can see where your attempting to go with this.

As you will see I started my post with saying there are plenty of other lines that will work admirably (and there are some that wont)

I also suspect that as with most dogs the owner/trainer has a lot to do with it but a whippet should be a whippet whatever its heritage.

My reasons for using this dog where not only based on his efforts in the field but to maintain confirmation and also to attempt to keep the size down as I feel its important that we dont lose sight of the kc standard.

 

MB has cornered a niche in the market and all power to his elbow I suspect there are a lot partcipating in this thread who wish they could have done the same and are attempting to derail him purely out of jealousy or personal vendetta.

The crux of it is that there are plenty of supporters of the MB line and dont doubt that will continue and there will also be those who would wish to knock him.

Again this post was started with a genuine question but almost immediately it was hijacked by folk wanting to make more of it and to continue with there personal vendettas, the original poster has also stated that he has been able to come to something of a decision no thanks to the majority of posters and still there are those attempting to drag it on using it as a soapbox.

It wouldn"t be so bad if most of you came out and said what your really trying to say instead of using inuendo and attempting to be clever.

Thanks for your prompt honest answer I take it we agree then that other whippets can and do work?

 

OK now this "niche" mb cornered his first ever whippet was ss, followed by a gorwynne bitch both born in 1991(19yrs ago not as has been mentioned 25yrs ago) these 2 were ordinary common every day whippets no more no less and mb coined the working whippet based on these 2's off spring and a dynasty was founded

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

 

But some good marketing and continual threads all over the internet like this only help to further promote and perpetuate the line

 

as I said earlier in this post "the kings new clothes" come to mind its got to be good mb bred it

Y.I.S Leeview

 

You back track a lot mate or at least go in circles. SImple question - are dogs from mike brown any good. Simple answer from people who have them - yes they are. End of. Until you started twisting your knickers no one said they were any better than any other whippets or better than any other breeds or made any kind of comment on the mans personality or history. All the bloke wanted to know is what people who had them thought of the dogs produced by his kennels. Get over yourself, your like a broken record. He's just calling them working whippets as in, they are bred for hunting rather than owt else - in all my chats with the bloke hes never bigged that up saying he produces some special kind of mythical whippet - just that he breeds dogs with good heart and fire, good bone structure and build and with good stamina for a whippet, and tough as f**k (or perhaps no sense).

[Leeview 791]

Your not wrong there are plenty of other lines out there doing there job day in day out, one of the best I"ve seen is show bred through and through and is in fact the sire to a litter I recently bred.

However the original poster asked specifically about MB bred dogs and I at least have tried to answer him based on my own experience of owning one of the said dogs.

I truly find her to be a honest capable dog carrying out the tasks that ANY whippet should be able to and am more than satisfied with her abilities or I wouldn"t have bred from her,one of the pups is staying here and will be tested the rest have all gone to working homes and I"m sure will be tested,so only time will tell.

 

MB/sooty sam a very emotive subject as has been proven yet again by this thread and unfortunately personal vendettas seem to come to the fore some with MB and some between forum members.

The original poster must be feeling more confused than when he asked his original question and still wont have a clear answer to his question.

 

Good Man I hope you have been able to glean something from amongst this thread though I suspect you probably gave up some time ago and who could blame you.

Theres no wonder THL has the reputation it has when you read through threads like this and is the reason I dont participate too frequently on this site along with many other far more knowledgable people.

 

Your ss bred bitch I see your delighted with her and used your mates show bred dog as stud if I'm reading your posts right? How do you rate your bitch against this show bred stud? Workwise

Y.I.S Leeview

 

They both work well using there noses well,both will face cover,both retrieve,both ferret and both have very good stamina and yes I can see where your attempting to go with this.

As you will see I started my post with saying there are plenty of other lines that will work admirably (and there are some that wont)

I also suspect that as with most dogs the owner/trainer has a lot to do with it but a whippet should be a whippet whatever its heritage.

My reasons for using this dog where not only based on his efforts in the field but to maintain confirmation and also to attempt to keep the size down as I feel its important that we dont lose sight of the kc standard.

 

MB has cornered a niche in the market and all power to his elbow I suspect there are a lot partcipating in this thread who wish they could have done the same and are attempting to derail him purely out of jealousy or personal vendetta.

The crux of it is that there are plenty of supporters of the MB line and dont doubt that will continue and there will also be those who would wish to knock him.

Again this post was started with a genuine question but almost immediately it was hijacked by folk wanting to make more of it and to continue with there personal vendettas, the original poster has also stated that he has been able to come to something of a decision no thanks to the majority of posters and still there are those attempting to drag it on using it as a soapbox.

It wouldn"t be so bad if most of you came out and said what your really trying to say instead of using inuendo and attempting to be clever.

Thanks for your prompt honest answer I take it we agree then that other whippets can and do work?

 

OK now this "niche" mb cornered his first ever whippet was ss, followed by a gorwynne bitch both born in 1991(19yrs ago not as has been mentioned 25yrs ago) these 2 were ordinary common every day whippets no more no less and mb coined the working whippet based on these 2's off spring and a dynasty was founded

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

 

But some good marketing and continual threads all over the internet like this only help to further promote and perpetuate the line

 

as I said earlier in this post "the kings new clothes" come to mind its got to be good mb bred it

Y.I.S Leeview

 

You back track a lot mate or at least go in circles. SImple question - are dogs from mike brown any good. Simple answer from people who have them - yes they are. End of. Until you started twisting your knickers no one said they were any better than any other whippets or better than any other breeds or made any kind of comment on the mans personality or history. All the bloke wanted to know is what people who had them thought of the dogs produced by his kennels. Get over yourself, your like a broken record. He's just calling them working whippets as in, they are bred for hunting rather than owt else - in all my chats with the bloke hes never bigged that up saying he produces some special kind of mythical whippet - just that he breeds dogs with good heart and fire, good bone structure and build and with good stamina for a whippet, and tough as f**k (or perhaps no sense).

 

Well I must of been getting my knickers in a twist looking at the wrong site the one I read says "mikes working whippets"

and the king did nt want to look like an idiot because every one round him said how good his clothes looked perhaps that is the case with these owners

Y.I.S Leeview

[Ideation 8,216]

Your not wrong there are plenty of other lines out there doing there job day in day out, one of the best I"ve seen is show bred through and through and is in fact the sire to a litter I recently bred.

However the original poster asked specifically about MB bred dogs and I at least have tried to answer him based on my own experience of owning one of the said dogs.

I truly find her to be a honest capable dog carrying out the tasks that ANY whippet should be able to and am more than satisfied with her abilities or I wouldn"t have bred from her,one of the pups is staying here and will be tested the rest have all gone to working homes and I"m sure will be tested,so only time will tell.

 

MB/sooty sam a very emotive subject as has been proven yet again by this thread and unfortunately personal vendettas seem to come to the fore some with MB and some between forum members.

The original poster must be feeling more confused than when he asked his original question and still wont have a clear answer to his question.

 

Good Man I hope you have been able to glean something from amongst this thread though I suspect you probably gave up some time ago and who could blame you.

Theres no wonder THL has the reputation it has when you read through threads like this and is the reason I dont participate too frequently on this site along with many other far more knowledgable people.

 

Your ss bred bitch I see your delighted with her and used your mates show bred dog as stud if I'm reading your posts right? How do you rate your bitch against this show bred stud? Workwise

Y.I.S Leeview

 

They both work well using there noses well,both will face cover,both retrieve,both ferret and both have very good stamina and yes I can see where your attempting to go with this.

As you will see I started my post with saying there are plenty of other lines that will work admirably (and there are some that wont)

I also suspect that as with most dogs the owner/trainer has a lot to do with it but a whippet should be a whippet whatever its heritage.

My reasons for using this dog where not only based on his efforts in the field but to maintain confirmation and also to attempt to keep the size down as I feel its important that we dont lose sight of the kc standard.

 

MB has cornered a niche in the market and all power to his elbow I suspect there are a lot partcipating in this thread who wish they could have done the same and are attempting to derail him purely out of jealousy or personal vendetta.

The crux of it is that there are plenty of supporters of the MB line and dont doubt that will continue and there will also be those who would wish to knock him.

Again this post was started with a genuine question but almost immediately it was hijacked by folk wanting to make more of it and to continue with there personal vendettas, the original poster has also stated that he has been able to come to something of a decision no thanks to the majority of posters and still there are those attempting to drag it on using it as a soapbox.

It wouldn"t be so bad if most of you came out and said what your really trying to say instead of using inuendo and attempting to be clever.

Thanks for your prompt honest answer I take it we agree then that other whippets can and do work?

 

OK now this "niche" mb cornered his first ever whippet was ss, followed by a gorwynne bitch both born in 1991(19yrs ago not as has been mentioned 25yrs ago) these 2 were ordinary common every day whippets no more no less and mb coined the working whippet based on these 2's off spring and a dynasty was founded

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

 

But some good marketing and continual threads all over the internet like this only help to further promote and perpetuate the line

 

as I said earlier in this post "the kings new clothes" come to mind its got to be good mb bred it

Y.I.S Leeview

 

You back track a lot mate or at least go in circles. SImple question - are dogs from mike brown any good. Simple answer from people who have them - yes they are. End of. Until you started twisting your knickers no one said they were any better than any other whippets or better than any other breeds or made any kind of comment on the mans personality or history. All the bloke wanted to know is what people who had them thought of the dogs produced by his kennels. Get over yourself, your like a broken record. He's just calling them working whippets as in, they are bred for hunting rather than owt else - in all my chats with the bloke hes never bigged that up saying he produces some special kind of mythical whippet - just that he breeds dogs with good heart and fire, good bone structure and build and with good stamina for a whippet, and tough as f**k (or perhaps no sense).

 

Well I must of been getting my knickers in a twist looking at the wrong site the one I read says "mikes working whippets"

and the king did nt want to look like an idiot because every one round him said how good his clothes looked perhaps that is the case with these owners

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Aye, whippets, bred for work, by a guy called Mike. And your point is? It's not the twin towers mate.

[Ideation 8,216]

Your not wrong there are plenty of other lines out there doing there job day in day out, one of the best I"ve seen is show bred through and through and is in fact the sire to a litter I recently bred.

However the original poster asked specifically about MB bred dogs and I at least have tried to answer him based on my own experience of owning one of the said dogs.

I truly find her to be a honest capable dog carrying out the tasks that ANY whippet should be able to and am more than satisfied with her abilities or I wouldn"t have bred from her,one of the pups is staying here and will be tested the rest have all gone to working homes and I"m sure will be tested,so only time will tell.

 

MB/sooty sam a very emotive subject as has been proven yet again by this thread and unfortunately personal vendettas seem to come to the fore some with MB and some between forum members.

The original poster must be feeling more confused than when he asked his original question and still wont have a clear answer to his question.

 

Good Man I hope you have been able to glean something from amongst this thread though I suspect you probably gave up some time ago and who could blame you.

Theres no wonder THL has the reputation it has when you read through threads like this and is the reason I dont participate too frequently on this site along with many other far more knowledgable people.

 

Your ss bred bitch I see your delighted with her and used your mates show bred dog as stud if I'm reading your posts right? How do you rate your bitch against this show bred stud? Workwise

Y.I.S Leeview

 

They both work well using there noses well,both will face cover,both retrieve,both ferret and both have very good stamina and yes I can see where your attempting to go with this.

As you will see I started my post with saying there are plenty of other lines that will work admirably (and there are some that wont)

I also suspect that as with most dogs the owner/trainer has a lot to do with it but a whippet should be a whippet whatever its heritage.

My reasons for using this dog where not only based on his efforts in the field but to maintain confirmation and also to attempt to keep the size down as I feel its important that we dont lose sight of the kc standard.

 

MB has cornered a niche in the market and all power to his elbow I suspect there are a lot partcipating in this thread who wish they could have done the same and are attempting to derail him purely out of jealousy or personal vendetta.

The crux of it is that there are plenty of supporters of the MB line and dont doubt that will continue and there will also be those who would wish to knock him.

Again this post was started with a genuine question but almost immediately it was hijacked by folk wanting to make more of it and to continue with there personal vendettas, the original poster has also stated that he has been able to come to something of a decision no thanks to the majority of posters and still there are those attempting to drag it on using it as a soapbox.

It wouldn"t be so bad if most of you came out and said what your really trying to say instead of using inuendo and attempting to be clever.

Thanks for your prompt honest answer I take it we agree then that other whippets can and do work?

 

OK now this "niche" mb cornered his first ever whippet was ss, followed by a gorwynne bitch both born in 1991(19yrs ago not as has been mentioned 25yrs ago) these 2 were ordinary common every day whippets no more no less and mb coined the working whippet based on these 2's off spring and a dynasty was founded

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

 

But some good marketing and continual threads all over the internet like this only help to further promote and perpetuate the line

 

as I said earlier in this post "the kings new clothes" come to mind its got to be good mb bred it

Y.I.S Leeview

 

You back track a lot mate or at least go in circles. SImple question - are dogs from mike brown any good. Simple answer from people who have them - yes they are. End of. Until you started twisting your knickers no one said they were any better than any other whippets or better than any other breeds or made any kind of comment on the mans personality or history. All the bloke wanted to know is what people who had them thought of the dogs produced by his kennels. Get over yourself, your like a broken record. He's just calling them working whippets as in, they are bred for hunting rather than owt else - in all my chats with the bloke hes never bigged that up saying he produces some special kind of mythical whippet - just that he breeds dogs with good heart and fire, good bone structure and build and with good stamina for a whippet, and tough as f**k (or perhaps no sense).

 

Well I must of been getting my knickers in a twist looking at the wrong site the one I read says "mikes working whippets"

and the king did nt want to look like an idiot because every one round him said how good his clothes looked perhaps that is the case with these owners

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Aye, whippets, bred for work, by a guy called Mike. And your point is? It's not the twin towers mate.

[minion 29]

A very interesting debate and to be honest I can see both sides of the argument.

 

I don't think anyone can argue that Mike Brown is passionate about his dogs and that he has bred some excellant pups. I dont have any but from what I read and have seen they are all healthy, well bred whippets.

 

I think most people that have a MB whippet are happy with their dogs but to be honest I think that alot of it has to do with the owners themselves. They take a well bred pup and develope it into a working dog but I am pretty sure that most whippet owners would get similar results had they bought a pup from any of the coursing lines.

 

Is Mike Brown a puppy farmer? I supose to some extent he is but to me a puppy farmer would have 20 or 30 brood bitches and be turning out hundreds of pups a year.

 

I think the prices that whippets fetch are the problem and can see why people would breed for the financial gain. I suppose I am lucky that I am reasonalbly well paid but I could imagine that if I was getting a low wage, say £1500 a year and was strugling a bit it would be very tempting to breed a few litters a year. If you get £400 a pup and get on average 8-10 pups in a litter you could make £3-4K per bitch. Two litters a year would give you 6 months wages.

 

I am not knocking Mike Brown because to be honest in the whippet scene there are loads of people who verge on being puppy farmers.

 

I have three whippets, one was bred by Itallion Stallion from this site and she is a coursing bred bitch. The next is again from coursing lines and the third is a racing bred dog. The take off speed and turning speed of the race bred dog is outstanding and I expected him to have less stamina but he can certianlly run a bit.

[Ideation 8,216]

A very interesting debate and to be honest I can see both sides of the argument.

 

I don't think anyone can argue that Mike Brown is passionate about his dogs and that he has bred some excellant pups. I dont have any but from what I read and have seen they are all healthy, well bred whippets.

 

I think most people that have a MB whippet are happy with their dogs but to be honest I think that alot of it has to do with the owners themselves. They take a well bred pup and develope it into a working dog but I am pretty sure that most whippet owners would get similar results had they bought a pup from any of the coursing lines.

 

Is Mike Brown a puppy farmer? I supose to some extent he is but to me a puppy farmer would have 20 or 30 brood bitches and be turning out hundreds of pups a year.

 

I think the prices that whippets fetch are the problem and can see why people would breed for the financial gain. I suppose I am lucky that I am reasonalbly well paid but I could imagine that if I was getting a low wage, say £1500 a year and was strugling a bit it would be very tempting to breed a few litters a year. If you get £400 a pup and get on average 8-10 pups in a litter you could make £3-4K per bitch. Two litters a year would give you 6 months wages.

 

I am not knocking Mike Brown because to be honest in the whippet scene there are loads of people who verge on being puppy farmers.

 

I have three whippets, one was bred by Itallion Stallion from this site and she is a coursing bred bitch. The next is again from coursing lines and the third is a racing bred dog. The take off speed and turning speed of the race bred dog is outstanding and I expected him to have less stamina but he can certianlly run a bit.

 

 

Fair points mate, mike sells pups 200-300 quid, less than a lot of other folk. But your not wrong in what you say.

[lanesra 3,994]

Leeview you really do come across as VERY BITTER towards the man, by tryin to ruin the man you also insult the genuine people who work his dogs or give him any form off respect, we will never always agree on here and at times its healthy to disagree on certain debates and can see the other persons point of view,but i fail to see anythin but jealousy where your concerned here mate, man.u. and alex ferguson for example are a team and manager i love to see fail but i have the utmost respect for the team and the manager even though i dont particualy like them,i would be an idiot to say how bad they where when people who watch them live week in week out get great enjoyment and pleasure from them just because i dont like them. p.s. pls dont respond sayin im makin out M.B. is the alex ferguson of the dog world im not (i know you would of said that lol , got you sussed out mate), im just usin that as an example on my part.

[minion 29]

A very interesting debate and to be honest I can see both sides of the argument.

 

I don't think anyone can argue that Mike Brown is passionate about his dogs and that he has bred some excellant pups. I dont have any but from what I read and have seen they are all healthy, well bred whippets.

 

I think most people that have a MB whippet are happy with their dogs but to be honest I think that alot of it has to do with the owners themselves. They take a well bred pup and develope it into a working dog but I am pretty sure that most whippet owners would get similar results had they bought a pup from any of the coursing lines.

 

Is Mike Brown a puppy farmer? I supose to some extent he is but to me a puppy farmer would have 20 or 30 brood bitches and be turning out hundreds of pups a year.

 

I think the prices that whippets fetch are the problem and can see why people would breed for the financial gain. I suppose I am lucky that I am reasonalbly well paid but I could imagine that if I was getting a low wage, say £1500 a year and was strugling a bit it would be very tempting to breed a few litters a year. If you get £400 a pup and get on average 8-10 pups in a litter you could make £3-4K per bitch. Two litters a year would give you 6 months wages.

 

I am not knocking Mike Brown because to be honest in the whippet scene there are loads of people who verge on being puppy farmers.

 

I have three whippets, one was bred by Itallion Stallion from this site and she is a coursing bred bitch. The next is again from coursing lines and the third is a racing bred dog. The take off speed and turning speed of the race bred dog is outstanding and I expected him to have less stamina but he can certianlly run a bit.

 

 

Fair points mate, mike sells pups 200-300 quid, less than a lot of other folk. But your not wrong in what you say.

 

 

 

cheers,

 

I paid £150 for the first whippet and £400 each for the other two. All three were healthy and looked after so why the differance in price? If you go on the whippet forum you get some stories about the cost of rearing a litter but anyone who says they dont make money from a large litter of KC reg whippets is crazzy. I actually dont have a problem with people malking a bit of money but be honest and admit it.

 

 

 

A good friend of mine has three whippets and had an accidental mating. He had 10 pups, all blue and they sold for £500 each. He doesnt work his dogs and they all went to pet homes but £5000 is silly money. He could have sold the litter twice over with the phone calls he got. To be fair to him he got the bitch spayed but it must have been tempting to breed another litter at those prices.

[paddybarr 77]

as i have said before i dont favour mb lines one way or the other, but this thread is f*****g crazy there are grown men acting likes kids in the school yard get a f*****g grip, the guy breeds rabbiting dogs that do well because he mainly sells them to working homes from what i can see he doesnt self market so he sells pups from repeat business or the people that has sold to being happy with what they have bought and passing on word of mouth?? which speaks volumes, all this shit about "kings clothes" can be applied to lurchers terriers poultry you name it people will allways buy from a source they beleive the "best" regardless wether it is or not

[wuyang 513]

A very interesting debate and to be honest I can see both sides of the argument.

 

I don't think anyone can argue that Mike Brown is passionate about his dogs and that he has bred some excellant pups. I dont have any but from what I read and have seen they are all healthy, well bred whippets.

 

I think most people that have a MB whippet are happy with their dogs but to be honest I think that alot of it has to do with the owners themselves. They take a well bred pup and develope it into a working dog but I am pretty sure that most whippet owners would get similar results had they bought a pup from any of the coursing lines.

 

Is Mike Brown a puppy farmer? I supose to some extent he is but to me a puppy farmer would have 20 or 30 brood bitches and be turning out hundreds of pups a year.

 

I think the prices that whippets fetch are the problem and can see why people would breed for the financial gain. I suppose I am lucky that I am reasonalbly well paid but I could imagine that if I was getting a low wage, say £1500 a year and was strugling a bit it would be very tempting to breed a few litters a year. If you get £400 a pup and get on average 8-10 pups in a litter you could make £3-4K per bitch. Two litters a year would give you 6 months wages.

 

I am not knocking Mike Brown because to be honest in the whippet scene there are loads of people who verge on being puppy farmers.

 

I have three whippets, one was bred by Itallion Stallion from this site and she is a coursing bred bitch. The next is again from coursing lines and the third is a racing bred dog. The take off speed and turning speed of the race bred dog is outstanding and I expected him to have less stamina but he can certianlly run a bit.

 

 

Fair points mate, mike sells pups 200-300 quid, less than a lot of other folk. But your not wrong in what you say.

 

 

 

cheers,

 

I paid £150 for the first whippet and £400 each for the other two. All three were healthy and looked after so why the differance in price? If you go on the whippet forum you get some stories about the cost of rearing a litter but anyone who says they dont make money from a large litter of KC reg whippets is crazzy. I actually dont have a problem with people malking a bit of money but be honest and admit it.

 

 

 

A good friend of mine has three whippets and had an accidental mating. He had 10 pups, all blue and they sold for £500 each. He doesnt work his dogs and they all went to pet homes but £5000 is silly money. He could have sold the litter twice over with the phone calls he got. To be fair to him he got the bitch spayed but it must have been tempting to breed another litter at those prices.

 

That is so spot on, especially about the wwf.

[rolysmate 49]

A very interesting debate and to be honest I can see both sides of the argument.

 

I don't think anyone can argue that Mike Brown is passionate about his dogs and that he has bred some excellant pups. I dont have any but from what I read and have seen they are all healthy, well bred whippets.

 

I think most people that have a MB whippet are happy with their dogs but to be honest I think that alot of it has to do with the owners themselves. They take a well bred pup and develope it into a working dog but I am pretty sure that most whippet owners would get similar results had they bought a pup from any of the coursing lines.

 

Is Mike Brown a puppy farmer? I supose to some extent he is but to me a puppy farmer would have 20 or 30 brood bitches and be turning out hundreds of pups a year.

 

I think the prices that whippets fetch are the problem and can see why people would breed for the financial gain. I suppose I am lucky that I am reasonalbly well paid but I could imagine that if I was getting a low wage, say £1500 a year and was strugling a bit it would be very tempting to breed a few litters a year. If you get £400 a pup and get on average 8-10 pups in a litter you could make £3-4K per bitch. Two litters a year would give you 6 months wages.

 

I am not knocking Mike Brown because to be honest in the whippet scene there are loads of people who verge on being puppy farmers.

 

I have three whippets, one was bred by Itallion Stallion from this site and she is a coursing bred bitch. The next is again from coursing lines and the third is a racing bred dog. The take off speed and turning speed of the race bred dog is outstanding and I expected him to have less stamina but he can certianlly run a bit.

 

 

Fair points mate, mike sells pups 200-300 quid, less than a lot of other folk. But your not wrong in what you say.

 

 

 

cheers,

 

I paid £150 for the first whippet and £400 each for the other two. All three were healthy and looked after so why the differance in price? If you go on the whippet forum you get some stories about the cost of rearing a litter but anyone who says they dont make money from a large litter of KC reg whippets is crazzy. I actually dont have a problem with people malking a bit of money but be honest and admit it.

 

 

 

A good friend of mine has three whippets and had an accidental mating. He had 10 pups, all blue and they sold for £500 each. He doesnt work his dogs and they all went to pet homes but £5000 is silly money. He could have sold the litter twice over with the phone calls he got. To be fair to him he got the bitch spayed but it must have been tempting to breed another litter at those prices.

 

That is so spot on, especially about the wwf.

 

 

 

Have just read through this again and can"t see any reference about the wwf???

[wuyang 513]

A very interesting debate and to be honest I can see both sides of the argument.

 

I don't think anyone can argue that Mike Brown is passionate about his dogs and that he has bred some excellant pups. I dont have any but from what I read and have seen they are all healthy, well bred whippets.

 

I think most people that have a MB whippet are happy with their dogs but to be honest I think that alot of it has to do with the owners themselves. They take a well bred pup and develope it into a working dog but I am pretty sure that most whippet owners would get similar results had they bought a pup from any of the coursing lines.

 

Is Mike Brown a puppy farmer? I supose to some extent he is but to me a puppy farmer would have 20 or 30 brood bitches and be turning out hundreds of pups a year.

 

I think the prices that whippets fetch are the problem and can see why people would breed for the financial gain. I suppose I am lucky that I am reasonalbly well paid but I could imagine that if I was getting a low wage, say £1500 a year and was strugling a bit it would be very tempting to breed a few litters a year. If you get £400 a pup and get on average 8-10 pups in a litter you could make £3-4K per bitch. Two litters a year would give you 6 months wages.

 

I am not knocking Mike Brown because to be honest in the whippet scene there are loads of people who verge on being puppy farmers.

 

I have three whippets, one was bred by Itallion Stallion from this site and she is a coursing bred bitch. The next is again from coursing lines and the third is a racing bred dog. The take off speed and turning speed of the race bred dog is outstanding and I expected him to have less stamina but he can certianlly run a bit.

 

 

Fair points mate, mike sells pups 200-300 quid, less than a lot of other folk. But your not wrong in what you say.

 

 

 

cheers,

 

I paid £150 for the first whippet and £400 each for the other two. All three were healthy and looked after so why the differance in price? If you go on the whippet forum you get some stories about the cost of rearing a litter but anyone who says they dont make money from a large litter of KC reg whippets is crazzy. I actually dont have a problem with people malking a bit of money but be honest and admit it.

 

 

 

A good friend of mine has three whippets and had an accidental mating. He had 10 pups, all blue and they sold for £500 each. He doesnt work his dogs and they all went to pet homes but £5000 is silly money. He could have sold the litter twice over with the phone calls he got. To be fair to him he got the bitch spayed but it must have been tempting to breed another litter at those prices.

 

That is so spot on, especially about the wwf.

 

 

 

Have just read through this again and can"t see any reference about the wwf???

 

Sorry did he miss a "w" out.

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as i have said before i dont favour mb lines one way or the other, but this thread is f*****g crazy there are grown men acting likes kids in the school yard get a f*****g grip, the guy breeds rabbiting dogs that do well because he mainly sells them to working homes from what i can see he doesnt self market so he sells pups from repeat business or the people that has sold to being happy with what they have bought and passing on word of mouth?? which speaks volumes, all this shit about "kings clothes" can be applied to lurchers terriers poultry you name it people will allways buy from a source they beleive the "best" regardless wether it is or not

 

OK pb I hear what your saying about the "Kings clothes" now look through the lurcher and terrier topics and how often is the phrase "worker to worker the only/right way to go" mb breeds whippets FACT he sells them as working whippets yet HIS dogs that he breeds from are not worked.

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[Guest hartstone]

I bet MB is loving this.

 

Bad Publicity is better than none.(Free advertising on the Web)

 

Good luck to MB.

Go from strength to Strength

Edited December 28, 2010 by hartstone