OnTheBeam 7 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 The proof is in the proof mate and there aint any trust me I spent all afternoon there he dont work them dogs he is liveing of the backs of good honest dog men that work his stock and that is bang out of order . As for good feet how will mike know if his dogs feet are good if there not tested they aint walked let alone run . I have nothing against him breeding I just wish people would look through his shit and go buy mike brown lines from someone who works them for f**k sake there is plenty out there . But if people insist on giving him there money no amount of threads like this will change anything . I think his original stuff must have been worth a look but now id personaly leave it alone my whippet was not bred by mb, but both his parents are, he has great feet nose etc everything I require for the job in hand. He also has no trouble taking larger quarry, when the opportunity arises. Now instead of slagging mb off, which is all you an leeveiw seem to do, not to forget dottydoo as well. Give me an opinion on what you think of his strain off whippets? You must of seen or know somebody that works this line, as you all know so much. And if anybody else owns and works mb whippets or similar breeding could you please give us your thoughts. Quote Link to post
derbypoacher 6 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Mikes line is ok nothing special dogs can be very varied in size and shape some make 23 itts some are very heavy others can turn out very lean and small and some look very good indeed but I wouldnt say they all breed to the strong type he is known for I have seen quite a few work all different sizes and shapes the ones that are owned by good dog lads worked well both day and night the ones that had novice owners wernt as good .as you would expect same as any dog not entered correctly . I have nothing against this line of dog some of my friends work them and they do it well . I am against false advertising ,and selling dogs of the backs of good dog men and taking the credit they deserve If some one wants mikes lines id say go to some one that breeds his line that actualy works them and is worthy of giving a pup the stamp of working stock Quote Link to post
derbypoacher 6 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 I am on about the way they are advertised as working whippet when they clearly for all to see aint worked atleast hancock will tell you none of his dogs in his kennels work . Instead of being shown photographic evidence of the parents being able to work he shows photos of other mens dogs to prove the ability of his line even if they have no direct link to the pup you are buying as I have previously stated bitchs not in welp do not look like they are fit enough for work leaving me to believe they are not worked only bred from this to me is false advertising . My own two are saturated with mikes breeding but I made absolutely sure both parents could graft so I have nothing against his lines just the lies Quote Link to post
derbypoacher 6 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 As for making money of mikes back why not he did it off the back of laguna. All I will say to people buying any whippet pup now days do some digging and ask awkward questions to prove the ability of the pups parents who ever you buy a pup of there are alot breeding litter after litter now but still only a hand full grafting them hard so be aware Quote Link to post
derbypoacher 6 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 It pisses me of that he uses the name working whippets when his own dogs are not yes he may sell them to lads that work them but his aint worked ther not fit enough for a long walk never mind a night on the lamp he yes the original dog was laguna bred are they now ? No so why carry it on il tell you why because it get puppy orders and deposit money in the bank . There blood lines have had all sorts put into them in the last 15 years as it said the original stuff looked mean fit and lean and capable of work and his photos prove it its the stuff hes breeding now im on about its not a patch on the old stuff in my opinion as with many there standards slip as time goes on and they continue selling pups on there reputation they built up in years gone bye . You look at pics of sooty sam and some of the old stock all fit ripped and ready for action now look at whats in the kennels and you will see my point Quote Link to post
OnTheBeam 7 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 Mikes line is ok nothing special dogs can be very varied in size and shape some make 23 itts some are very heavy others can turn out very lean and small and some look very good indeed but I wouldnt say they all breed to the strong type he is known for I have seen quite a few work all different sizes and shapes the ones that are owned by good dog lads worked well both day and night the ones that had novice owners wernt as good .as you would expect same as any dog not entered correctly . I have nothing against this line of dog some of my friends work them and they do it well . I am against false advertising ,and selling dogs of the backs of good dog men and taking the credit they deserve If some one wants mikes lines id say go to some one that breeds his line that actualy works them and is worthy of giving a pup the stamp of working stock so you know people who work this line to a satisfactory standard, yet mb is false advertising?? Think before you start typing away. And the majority of mb whippets I've seen have all been strong in type. So what would you consider to be an ideal whippet for work? Obviously you would want something built for the job? "example" You wouldnt buy a mini to go off roading. Quote Link to post
derbypoacher 6 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 Yes faults advertising . Advertised as working whippets and parents dont work cant make it any clearer than that can I that just makes them whippets not working whippets its not a worker if it dont come out the yard . Im not bothering with this thread again its pointless your obviously a bloke that believes all the hype without question. Iv been there seen his dogs with my own eyes and listened to the sales pitch with my own ears and it was utter bollocks . I have nowt against the dogs or lads that work them but mike brown talks shit and lies like f**k about the dogs in his yard . If you want to buy a pup of a bull shitter from dogs that dont get out thats up to you and whoever else. But dont expect everyone to fall into the same trap not everyone is that gullable and require proof that the parents can do the job Quote Link to post
OnTheBeam 7 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 My own two are saturated with mikes breeding but I made absolutely sure both parents could graft so I have nothing against his lines just the lies so if it wasn't for mb and his "false advertising", the dogs that you own today wouldnt even exist. Your just a hypocrite, end of. Quote Link to post
derbypoacher 6 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 Get a grip man. Mikes stuff is from show stock . And as for whippets being left in the stone age if it wasnt for mike brown what a load of rubbish . As for me being a hypocrite I think not there not from him my original bitch was off a lad that works whippets hard and was willing to prove it she is half sooty sam lines the other half is show and coursing stuff mixed if this lad had show whippets theyd work just aswell and I would still of had one off him because he works them and can prove it not just say it . Mike bred good stuff to good stuff years ago but not any more go and take a look in his yard with your own eyes and you will see Quote Link to post
Guest crobinc840 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 Get a grip man. Mikes stuff is from show stock . And as for whippets being left in the stone age if it wasnt for mike brown what a load of rubbish . As for me being a hypocrite I think not there not from him my original bitch was off a lad that works whippets hard and was willing to prove it she is half sooty sam lines the other half is show and coursing stuff mixed if this lad had show whippets theyd work just aswell and I would still of had one off him because he works them and can prove it not just say it . Mike bred good stuff to good stuff years ago but not any more go and take a look in his yard with your own eyes and you will see We don't have to go to the yard to have a look My link Now that's a lot of dogs. Quote Link to post
Guest crobinc840 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 I never said I disliked the guy or what what he was doing. The fact is I would never want to work that hard to make a line, I commend him for working so hard when so many are making a buck from his name. I would not wish that of anything I might produce. If I have a few pups I will only chose one, but I wouldn'nt cull or kill any. I would chose a good home for each pup like any good breeder should do. Quote Link to post
captain jack sparrow 8 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 are they fen whippets lol good working type mate Quote Link to post
OnTheBeam 7 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 onthebeam when you are in dogs long enough you will learn not to judge a book by it cover. I've been in this game for a long time now, and its got nothing to with, dont judge a book by its cover, its about experience and what I've witnessed over the years. And I'll say it again, yes any whippet of any shape and size will catch rabbits, if the animal is in the right hands. But if the dog is not built for the job, what are the chances of it withstanding a hard working life? The answer to that is very little. Take davids photo for instance, the whippets there are all strong in type and bred for the job. And there not your average whippet. Cracking photo anyway David. Quote Link to post
lowcur 3 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 MB pup or pup from his lines £300 -£350. Decent Lurcher pups from working parents £150-£200. Biggest fans/breeders of "working whippets average experience of the breed 5-6 years.Just do the maths! Sooty "SCAM". WW forum puppy farmers home page. Quote Link to post
OnTheBeam 7 Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 i had a whippet dog of show breeding look nothing like david dogs small in his make up you would run hard and long to have a dog like him. you say you in the game a long time then you should no better than to judge a book by its cover. sounds like you just landed lucky to me. You probably will get the odd one out of a show bred litter that will do well in the field. But come on, be realistic, and think logic. Like I said previous. Theres a big difference in a dog that works, to a dog thats bred for work, fact. Or as you say champions make champions, so on and so on. Any I've finished with this topic for good now, I've aired my veiws. But I'll leave you with your half witt reply. Never judge a book by its cover. Quote Link to post
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